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Are you taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Wearing the right shoes, and properly clothed spiritually?
Join Elected By Him for a devotional on Ephesians 6:14-15
https://christianforums.net/threads/devotional-selecting-the-proper-shoes.109094/
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That includes my answer, which was given long ago, and I must have accidentally made the wrong selection. Too bad I can't correct it.
Edited to add: I changed the settings to allow a person to change their vote. Mine is now correct.
BPPLEE
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In Acts everyone is baptized in the name of Jesus. Why would they do that if he isn’t God?
This view is not supported by Scripture. Please review these statements by the Father from Isaiah which demonstrate the Father claiming to be the ONLY Holy ONE of Israel and the ONLY Savior, Redeemer and Lord. Jesus IS all those things, but they are NOT separate, different, persons or we would not have all of these verses.
Also, this first verse shows Isaiah Prophesying who Jesus would be when He was born about 850 years after this Prophecy.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: ... and His Name shall be ... The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Isaiah 9:6
Only God the Father can be called Father or Mighty God, yet that is who was born - that is who incarnated into the flesh body that was named Jesus Christ.
The Father is equal to no one.
"To whom .. will ye liken Me, or (to whom) shall I be equal? Saith the Holy ONE."
Isaiah 40:25
"... I will help thee, saith The Lord ... thy Redeemer, the Holy ONE of Israel."
Isaiah 41:14
"... the Lord, ... the Holy ONE of Israel."
Isaiah 41:16
The Father is the ONLY Creator.
"... the Lord hath done this, ... the Holy ONE of Israel hath created it."
Isaiah 41:20
There is only ONE King - and He's the same king in the OT as He is in Revelation when He is called the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
"Produce your cause, saith The Lord; ... saith the King of Jacob."
Isaiah 41:21
"Thus saith God The Lord, He that created the heavens, and stretched them out; He that spread forth the earth, ..."
Isaiah 42:5
God shares His glory with no one else, no other person.
"I am The Lord: that is My Name: and My glory will I not give to another, ..."
Isaiah 42:8
Unlike the lies we are told today about God's Law, the 10 Commandments, the Father considers it honourable, not a curse or a shame.
"The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; He will magnify the Law, and make it honourable."
Isaiah 42:21
"I am The Lord thy God, the Holy ONE of Israel, thy Savior: ..."
Isaiah 43:3
"I, even I, am The Lord; and beside Me there is no Savior."
Isaiah 43:11
"Thus saith The Lord, your Redeemer, the Holy ONE of Israel."
Isaiah 43:14
"I am The Lord, your Holy ONE, The Creator of Israel, your King."
Isaiah 43:15
"Thus saith The Lord, thy Redeemer, and He that formed thee in the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; ..."
Isaiah 44:24
Who is the Lord of Hosts? The Father is!!
"I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even My hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded."
Isaiah 45:12
"... O God of Israel, the Savior."
Isaiah 45:15
"... thus saith The Lord that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else."
Isaiah 45:18
"... have not I The Lord (told thee)? and there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none (no one) beside Me."
Isaiah 45:21
"To whom will ye liken Me and make Me equal, and compare Me, that we may be like?"
Isaiah 46:5
"As for our Redeemer, The Lord of Hosts is His Name, the Holy ONE of Israel."
Isaiah 46:4
"I will not give My glory unto another."
Isaiah 48:11
He is God, he just isn't the Father.
Consecrated Life
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If God was one person He could never be without His Glory. or He would no longer be God.
Only by means of the separation , God made flesh in the Son, could He divest Himself of His Glory to accomplish our salvation while the Father still retained the Glory.
Thanks be to God.
My deepest need has been fully satisfied by this Divine equation.
Your zeal to disprove it makes me very curious to know, what threat to your peace, joy & assurance of salvation does the trinity concept represent for you ?
Thanks for the discussion .
BPPLEE
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No, he is the Son. But he said I and the Father are one.
The triune God is comprised of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
It is not an easy concept to understand but it is the truth.
I can clearly see you do not want to discuss with anyone, but would rather refute all the scriptures given so I will move on and you have a good evening.
BPPLEE
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I agree.
In all of these verses, you're begging the question by equating YHWH and God with only the Father, so as to make it seem like God is an absolute unity.
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He is the Son, which means he is also God, just as the Father is but he is not the Father.
BPPLEE
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I agree
BPPLEE
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List of Pro-Trinity/Deity of Christ Bible Passages - Berean Patriot
Below is a list of basically every verse in the whole bible that touches on the Trinity. I didn’t compile this list, but a reader of this website did and it’s posted here with his permission. (There’s actually a short/cool story behind it.) OR keep reading to get to the list of verses without...
www.bereanpatriot.com
Why are you replying to me with this?List of Pro-Trinity/Deity of Christ Bible Passages - Berean Patriot
Below is a list of basically every verse in the whole bible that touches on the Trinity. I didn’t compile this list, but a reader of this website did and it’s posted here with his permission. (There’s actually a short/cool story behind it.) OR keep reading to get to the list of verses without...www.bereanpatriot.com
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10
Jesus Created all things.
The Spirit of Christ spoke out of the mouth of the prophets.
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11
Example:
The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1
The same LORD, the Son of God, who Hebrews says laid the foundation of the earth and stretched out the heavens spoke through Zechariah the prophet declaring the same thing as Hebrews 1:10.
Every time we see an Old Testament prophet saying “thus says the Lord” it was Jesus Christ, the Spirit of Christ speaking.
- Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1
again, the Spirit of Christ speaking through Isaiah —
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,
The Holy One of Israel:
“For your sake I will send to Babylon,
And bring them all down as fugitives—
The Chaldeans, who rejoice in their ships.
I am the LORD, your Holy One,
The Creator of Israel, your King.”
Isaiah 43:14-15
JLB
BPPLEE
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It supports the Trinity
Right, but I have been arguing that the doctrine of the Trinity is biblical and true. I was just wondering why, that's all.
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