Three person God identified in the Bible?

[Cooper]

And I thought you would avoid addressing the points I made.


You cannot be serious. How many JWs do you know that believe in the Trinity? How many do you know that believe Jesus is God in human flesh?

Right, in answer to your question regarding John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known." (ESV)

The answer is:
No one has ever seen God the Father at any time, because God is INVISIBLE. But the only God (notice the word only) who is at the Fathers side (Jesus) has made him known.
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[Free]

Right, in answer to your question regarding John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known." (ESV)

The answer is:
No one has ever seen God the Father at any time, because God is INVISIBLE. But the only God (notice the word only) who is at the Fathers side (Jesus) has made him known.
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Notice that "the only God" is "at the Father's side." This echoes John 1:1 and logically cannot mean that Jesus (the Word) is the Father. Again, that would make no sense whatsoever. They are distinct "persons" within the one God.

 

[Cooper]

Notice that "the only God" is "at the Father's side." This echoes John 1:1 and logically cannot mean that Jesus (the Word) is the Father. Again, that would make no sense whatsoever. They are distinct "persons" within the one God.

You highlighted this, "the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known."

That's Jesus. The only God.

A lot of people deny Jesus while calling themselves CHRIST-ians.
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[Free]

You highlighted this, "the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known."

That's Jesus. The only God.

Please reread what I wrote. Of course Jesus is God; that is something that Trinitarians fully affirm. However, as I pointed out, he "is at the Father's side." Therefore, he cannot be the Father. If Jesus is the Father, then that sentence is speaking nonsense, just as the case would be if the Word was the Father then John 1:1 would be speaking nonsense. The are two distinct persons. It cannot be otherwise.

A lot of people deny Jesus while calling themselves CHRIST-ians.

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Yes, JWs do that.

 

[Cooper]

Please reread what I wrote. Of course Jesus is God; that is something that Trinitarians fully affirm. However, as I pointed out, he "is at the Father's side." Therefore, he cannot be the Father. If Jesus is the Father, then that sentence is speaking nonsense, just as the case would be if the Word was the Father then John 1:1 would be speaking nonsense. The are two distinct persons. It cannot be otherwise.


Yes, JWs do that.

So do LDS.

As the creator in the beginning, Jesus, while being the invisible Word, has always been the Father of heaven and earth, and now, while in the flesh, has returned to his original position of Father, but this time in the flesh. It was only while he was clothed in flesh on earth that he spoke of his heavenly Father.
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[Free]

As the creator in the beginning, Jesus, while being invisible, has always been the Father of heaven and earth, and now, while in the flesh, has returned to his original position as Father of heaven and earth. It was only while he was clothed in flesh that he spoke of his heavenly Father.
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Jesus has never been the Father that is in the Godhead. That is a logical impossibility, as I have pointed out with John 1:1 and 1:18. Jesus is God the Son come in human flesh, not the Father in human flesh.

 

[Cooper]

Jesus has never been the Father that is in the Godhead. That is a logical impossibility, as I have pointed out with John 1:1 and 1:18. Jesus is God the Son come in human flesh, not the Father in human flesh.

You say God cannot do the impossible, you say he was never the Word, and you deny Christ's place in the Godhead.

It's all coming out now.
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[Free]

You say God cannot do the impossible, you say he was never the Word, and you deny Christ's place in the Godhead.

It's all coming out now.
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Are you purposely twisting and misrepresenting everything I say? That would be very dishonest of you. It's either that or you have not followed the discussion at all.

 

[Fastfredy0]

You say God cannot do the impossible

If Free says "God cannot do the impossible" then I am in agreement with him. God CANNOT do the IMPOSSIBLE.
Aside: There's lots and lots of things God cannot do ... some of them I can do.

 

[Free]

If Free says "God cannot do the impossible" then I am in agreement with him. God CANNOT do the IMPOSSIBLE.
Aside: There's lots and lots of things God cannot do ... some of them I can do.

That is very true.

 

[Cooper]

If Free says "God cannot do the impossible" then I am in agreement with him. God CANNOT do the IMPOSSIBLE.
Aside: There's lots and lots of things God cannot do ... some of them I can do.

OK. (grin) God CAN do the impossible.
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[Cooper]

Are you purposely twisting and misrepresenting everything I say? That would be very dishonest of you. It's either that or you have not followed the discussion at all.

I don't need to, and why won't you tell me your religion? I'm low church Anglican.
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[Free]

OK. (grin) God CAN do the impossible.
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God can do some of what is impossible for humans to do, but he cannot do what is impossible for him to do.

I don't need to.
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But you have. You have seriously twisted and misrepresented what I have said, whether purposely or not.

 

[Fastfredy0]

God CAN do the impossible.

It is impossible for you to name something God can do that is impossible. But, take a shot at it if you wish to correct me.

On the other hand, I can do many things that are impossible for God to do.

 

[Randy]

Right, in answer to your question regarding John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known." (ESV)

The answer is:
No one has ever seen God the Father at any time, because God is INVISIBLE. But the only God (notice the word only) who is at the Fathers side (Jesus) has made him known.
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There are two variations found in regard to John 1:18 in the greek manuscripts. "The only begotten Son" or "The only begotten God". Keyword "begotten" Again the Father is unbegotten. Father and Son.

John 1:18 Greek Text Analysis

This is something that took place from the will of another but that's another issue. Col 1:19

The church recognized John 1:18 as it is stated Jesus was begotten from the Father before all worlds. And the Father is unbegotten. So they CANNOT be the same person.

John 1:18
King James Version​

18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

 

[Cooper]

God can do some of what is impossible for humans to do, but he cannot do what is impossible for him to do.


But you have. You have seriously twisted and misrepresented what I have said, whether purposely or not.

No, just shown you right from wrong.
Don't worry, in the last month, I have joined two forums, so I won't be here much longer.
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[Cooper]

There are two variations found in regard to John 1:18 in the greek manuscripts. "The only begotten Son" or "The only begotten God". Keyword "begotten" Again the Father is unbegotten. Father and Son.

John 1:18 Greek Text Analysis

This is something that took place from the will of another but that's another issue. Col 1:19

The church recognized John 1:18 as it is stated Jesus was begotten from the Father before all worlds. And the Father is unbegotten. So they CANNOT be the same person.

John 1:18​

King James Version​

18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The Word has always existed, and Jesus is the Word made flesh.
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[Free]

No, just shown you right from wrong.

You haven't even shown you have an understanding of what is right. But you have been very dishonest by twisting and misrepresenting what I have said.

Back when I said: "the Father is not the Son nor the Holy Spirit, nor is the Son the Holy Spirit."

You replied: "show me where the Bible says, "GOD is not Father, not Son, or not Holy Spirit."

That wasn't the first time nor the last. So, please tell me, on what planet or in what universe does "the Father is not the Son nor the Holy Spirit, nor is the Son the Holy Spirit," the same as saying "God is not the Father, not Son, or not Holy Spirit"? This is a serious question because in no universe are those two sentences saying the same thing. Your reply has completely twisted what I said.

You have also claimed to be Trinitarian but then say Trinitarianism is false and promote Unitarian theology. I am left wondering why you argue so strongly against the doctrine of the Trinity when you don't understand it and don't address those things that prove difficult for your position.

Don't worry, in the last month, I have joined two forums, so I won't be here much longer.
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You are free to do what you want.

 

[Randy]

The Word has always existed, and Jesus is the Word made flesh.
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Apparently the only begotten Son who existed with the Father is that word as John states He bears witness on what He saw and heard. The Father is unbegotten they cannot be the same person.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

You can say your two pennies worth all you want to.

Your generosity is much appreciated. On some platforms the moderators seem like petty tyrants. Unable to tolerate dissent or criticism that is not palatable to them, they prefer to just silence it as far as they can.

We here do not like to censor what persons believe to be true.

And it shows! Really, some of the stuff that I see posted in these threads makes me marvel at your patience. Every so often I'll see a post that makes me think "wow, that's actually still in the thread?!"

Just keep in mind that this is not the Lounge or one of the autonomous zone forums.

Always good to remember!

I say anything I wish to say.
I just say it civilly and with respect.

Just say what you wish to say respectfully and with civility. Excellent rule of thumb, indeed! Zeal in pursuit of diplomacy is so underrated. Especially nowadays, on the internet. Besides, what's the point in offending people, really? Even when they are in error. Let others be the aggressors, I say!