Three Persons - Holy Trinity

[cupid dave]

Posted by cupid dave


Let's examine a few of the verses that support this view:

The first one is where Christ identifies himself as Truth, in the sense of the Ideal or concept of Truth.
He says, "I am the Truth, the way, and the life" for mankind, which is exactly what makes men different from common animals.
Man thinks and can image the external world and all the creation inside his mind, if he will only see what is actually True.


Then these other passages make sense and support this view of the one singular Holy Spirit among all the lies and other possible spirits of the mind:

John1:1
In the beginning was the Word, (i.e.; Truth: [John 14:6]), and the Word, (Truth, itself), was (synonymous) with God, (i.e.; Reality), and the Word, (Truth: [John 14:6]), was (indistinguishable from Reality), God, (the almighty for all men).

2 "He," (Truth, the symbolic Word to come: [Jud 1:3]) was with God, (i.e.; the ever unfolding Reality), in the beginning, (that is, the initial unfolding of material Reality in what was the actual physical Creation).

Jn 1:3 ALL (real) THINGS, (phenomenally, i.e.; mentally), came into existence, (for man), through him, (i.e.; this concept of Truth), and apart from him, (this ideal of Truth), not even ONE (real) thing came into (actual) existence (for men).



Wow, no. There is just so much wrong here. Why have you inserted so much of your opinion into the passage? Have you actually studied the meanings behind these words and phrases?

WOW...

Why would I insert anything but my opinion based upon the study of the meanings?
Tell us what your opinion is about the meaning of John 1:1-3 and I will insert your opinion into brackets so we can fairly compare and evaluate what you think.


John1:1
In the beginning was the Word, (i.e.; Truth: [John 14:6]), and the Word, (Truth, itself), was (synonymous) with God, (i.e.; Reality), and the Word, (Truth: [John 14:6]), was (indistinguishable from Reality), God, (the almighty for all men).

2 "He," (??? ) was with God, (define?), in the beginning, (Gen1:1???).

Jn 1:3 ALL (????) THINGS, (????), came into existence, (I am?), through him, (?), and apart from him, (?), not even ONE (physical?) thing came into (worldly?) existence (Gen 1:1?).

 

[cupid dave]

Man cannot see truth without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit inside of them, God the Father's spirit is the only truth.

Exactly.

Truth is the son-of-God, born as each next frame of the immortal eternally unfolding Reality engulfs the Living of whom he is the God over.

Luke 20:38
For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

 

[Guest]

But6 you read this and fail to see the Trinity inherent in the language where "god", "holy spirit" (in our mind), and "Truth" (as an Ideal )all come together to make sense.

You don't seem to big on the idea of Jesus living in our hearts. Does that scare you?

 

[cupid dave]

Do you believe God the Father is a "person," or rather, that He exhibits what we refer to as "personhood"?

What a crock...

This is akin to asking whether we can see the rationale for calling Mother Nature a "person."

It is a personification.
The same idea applied to Christ is that he personified the ideal Truth, which is available as thoughts that we can form inside our own minds, regardless of of the number of such people who are in that same spirit of mind.

 

[Guest]

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts AND intents of the heart.

 

[Free]

Posted by cupid dave


Let's examine a few of the verses that support this view:

The first one is where Christ identifies himself as Truth, in the sense of the Ideal or concept of Truth.
He says, "I am the Truth, the way, and the life" for mankind, which is exactly what makes men different from common animals.
Man thinks and can image the external world and all the creation inside his mind, if he will only see what is actually True.


Then these other passages make sense and support this view of the one singular Holy Spirit among all the lies and other possible spirits of the mind:

John1:1
In the beginning was the Word, (i.e.; Truth: [John 14:6]), and the Word, (Truth, itself), was (synonymous) with God, (i.e.; Reality), and the Word, (Truth: [John 14:6]), was (indistinguishable from Reality), God, (the almighty for all men).

2 "He," (Truth, the symbolic Word to come: [Jud 1:3]) was with God, (i.e.; the ever unfolding Reality), in the beginning, (that is, the initial unfolding of material Reality in what was the actual physical Creation).

Jn 1:3 ALL (real) THINGS, (phenomenally, i.e.; mentally), came into existence, (for man), through him, (i.e.; this concept of Truth), and apart from him, (this ideal of Truth), not even ONE (real) thing came into (actual) existence (for men).



Wow, no. There is just so much wrong here. Why have you inserted so much of your opinion into the passage? Have you actually studied the meanings behind these words and phrases?

WOW...

Why would I insert anything but my opinion based upon the study of the meanings?
Tell us what your opinion is about the meaning of John 1:1-3 and I will insert your opinion into brackets so we can fairly compare and evaluate what you think.

My point is that there is no reason to insert one's own opinions as you have done. Let the Bible speak for itself and if clarification is needed, then look to the Greek meanings of the words and include any necessary understandings of Hebrew concepts as well.

 

[cupid dave]

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts AND intents of the heart.

Truth is that sharp word of God, right...?

He is The God of truth,... is he not?

Psalm 31:5
Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O Lord God of truth.

 

[Free]

Do you believe God the Father is a "person," or rather, that He exhibits what we refer to as "personhood"?

What a crock...

This is akin to asking whether we can see the rationale for calling Mother Nature a "person."

It is a personification.
The same idea applied to Christ is that he personified the ideal Truth, which is available as thoughts that we can form inside our own minds, regardless of of the number of such people who are in that same spirit of mind.

A crock? It is absolutely not even remotely close to 'asking whether we can see the rationale for calling Mother Nature a "person."'

It is abundantly clear throughout Scripture that God is a being who exists in three "persons," each in perfect relationship to the others, and each displaying mind and will. They are not abstract concepts as you seem to be making them out to be. Even if one wants to deny the Trinity, it is abundantly clear that God the Father is a personal being.

 

[cupid dave]

My point is that there is no reason to insert one's own opinions as you have done. Let the Bible speak for itself and if clarification is needed, then look to the Greek meanings of the words and include any necessary understandings of Hebrew concepts as well.

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Bracketed parenthetical expressions are the grammatically correct way to "include any necessary understandings of Hebrew concepts and the Greek meanings of the words" within the context.

 

[Guest]

Omnipresence - Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good. Jeremiah 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.

 

[Free]

My point is that there is no reason to insert one's own opinions as you have done. Let the Bible speak for itself and if clarification is needed, then look to the Greek meanings of the words and include any necessary understandings of Hebrew concepts as well.

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Bracketed parenthetical expressions are the grammatically correct way to "include any necessary understandings of Hebrew concepts and the Greek meanings of the words" within the context.

But yours are not correct and seem to be only your opinion and not what is actually meant.

 

[cupid dave]

....it is abundantly clear that God the Father is a personal being.

A man in the sky concept like Zeus or Hercules is pagan.
Spirit MEANS non-physical.

But you are at a loss I am sure to explain how God is Love could be in anyway suggest that cupid is what this infers:

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

 

[Free]

....it is abundantly clear that God the Father is a personal being.

A man in the sky concept like Zeus or Hercules is pagan.
Spirit MEANS non-physical.

But you are at a loss I am sure to explain how God is Love could be in anyway suggest that cupid is what this infers:

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

If you can show me where I said he was a man in the sky, you have a point. But you don't because that is clearly not what I said. This is basic Christianity. How is that you are having trouble understanding it?

 

[Knotical]

....it is abundantly clear that God the Father is a personal being.

A man in the sky concept like Zeus or Hercules is pagan.
Spirit MEANS non-physical.

But you are at a loss I am sure to explain how God is Love could be in anyway suggest that cupid is what this infers:

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

How do you reconcile Genesis 1:26 with your views?

 

[cupid dave]

Omnipresence - Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good. Jeremiah 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.

When we are born we awake in a Reality which is almighty, and all present.

Having been alone as far as we could understand for 9 months, that Reality cries out to us, "I, too, am."

We realize that we are not alone, and by the same reasoning a used by Rene' Descartes, we are convinced that because we think and hence exist, He" who cries to use through the angels/messengers of our sense also exists.
He screams at us us immediately, "I am."

 

[cupid dave]

How do you reconcile Genesis 1:26 with your views?

Gen.1:26 And God, (The Universal Force, the Macrocosmos), said, "Let us, (i.e.; the Natural Laws), make man, (a conscious mind, to model us, i.e.; the unfolding Universe, as a Microcosmos in his mind), in (order that) our image (might be modeled after our own orderly organization): and let him (that conscious mind,) have dominion over the fish of the sea,and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Gen.1:27 So God (The Universal Force) created man (an abstract mind, in his own image, enabled him to image The Universal Force, abstractly and mathematically), so created God, (i.e. The Universal Force), him; male and female created he them.

When Truth is the foundation for that model of the external reality in man's mind, it is the image of reality.

 

[Knotical]

How do you reconcile Genesis 1:26 with your views?

Gen.1:26 And God, (The Universal Force, the Macrocosmos), said, "Let us, (i.e.; the Natural Laws), make man, (a conscious mind, to model us, i.e.; the unfolding Universe, as a Microcosmos in his mind), in (order that) our image (might be modeled after our own orderly organization): and let him (that conscious mind,) have dominion over the fish of the sea,and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Gen.1:27 So God (The Universal Force) created man (an abstract mind, in his own image, enabled him to image The Universal Force, abstractly and mathematically), so created God, (i.e. The Universal Force), him; male and female created he them.

When Truth is the foundation for that model of the external reality in man's mind, it is the image of reality.

Thanks for quoting the very verse I referenced, now answer the question.

 

[cupid dave]

If you can show me where I said he was a man in the sky, you have a point.
But you don't because that is clearly not what I said.

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...."it is abundantly clear that God the Father is a personal being."

God is spirit, not a person:


per·son /ˈpərsən/

Noun

1. A human being regarded as an individual.
2. Used in legal or formal contexts to refer to an unspecified individual.

 

[cupid dave]

Thanks for quoting the very verse I referenced, now answer the question.

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The kingdom of God is within.
Man images the almighty by utilizing the spirit of Truth in his thinking.

This is opposed to imaging lies and creating fantasy worlds.

Seems simple enough that this would be sufficient.

 

[cupid dave]

Bracketed parenthetical expressions are the grammatically correct way to "include any necessary understandings of Hebrew concepts and the Greek meanings of the words" within the context.



But yours are not correct and seem to be only your opinion and not what is actually meant.

Tell us your opinion as what you insist is correct.