Three Persons - Holy Trinity

[Knotical]

There are some things that we were never meant to completely understand. This is just something we are to exercise faith with, and accept as true.

[MENTION=90631]Knotical[/MENTION] : Yes, God is far, far bigger than my little mind. But the truth of God in Three Persons is definitely revealed in Scripture for our acceptance and faith.

Blessings.

Of course it is revealed in scripture, which is why we are aware of it. But, I know even some elders who have difficulty wrapping their mind around the concept of the trinity, much less able to explain it.

 

[farouk]

[MENTION=90631]Knotical[/MENTION] :

I like the phrase that someone used: We 'reason from reveleation'. Not to worry unduly if we can't explain things well; the main thing is to show people what is revealed.

Blessings.

 

[Knotical]

[MENTION=90631]Knotical[/MENTION] :

I like the phrase that someone used: We 'reason from reveleation'. Not to worry unduly if we can't explain things well; the main thing is to show people what is revealed.

Blessings.

Interesting observation.

BTW, welcome back [MENTION=41474]farouk[/MENTION], where ya been?

 

[Free]

Maybe so, but my point is, it has become a common phrase amongst Christians today and the phrase is nowhere found in the Bible in which our Christianity is based on.

Try bringing this up in your Sunday School class and watch as folks condemn you to hell with the looks they give....... only to be proven wrong in the end.

It amazes me how much the Church of today does not have a real clue what is actually in the Bible.......just this past Sunday, I had to convince the class that "cleanliness is next to Godliness" is nowhere to be found.

:nod

There really is no problem with the use of "God the Son" since the Son is God and a part of the Trinity. That it isn't in the Bible is irrelevant since the concept is there, just as it is with "Trinity" and any other number of concepts to which we give names that aren't found in Scripture.

 

[Guest]

urk--

You have used the phrase "God the Son" in several of your post.

Would you please be so kind as to provide scripture that references Jesus as "God the Son"?

Believing that Jesus is God (deity) you would have to believe and confess in your own heart that God raised him from dead. The transformation takes places through your mouth and through your heart. Have faith, blessings. Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Urk-

You answered absolutely nothing from my request.

Why do you say that, what is faith to you. If I didn't answer your question then tell me, who is Jesus Christ to you. Blessings.

 

[farouk]

[MENTION=90631]Knotical[/MENTION] :

I like the phrase that someone used: We 'reason from reveleation'. Not to worry unduly if we can't explain things well; the main thing is to show people what is revealed.

Blessings.

Interesting observation.

BTW, welcome back [MENTION=41474]farouk[/MENTION], where ya been?

[MENTION=90631]Knotical[/MENTION] :

Good to be back. Been on a trip for some weeks.

The Triune God is a deep and vast subject in the Scriptures.

Blessings.

 

[Guest]

[MENTION=41474]farouk[/MENTION] welcome back man. geez you scared us, don't do that again, lol. we certainly need your wisdom here. :nod

 

[tim-from-pa]

Maybe so, but my point is, it has become a common phrase amongst Christians today and the phrase is nowhere found in the Bible in which our Christianity is based on.

Try bringing this up in your Sunday School class and watch as folks condemn you to hell with the looks they give....... only to be proven wrong in the end.

It amazes me how much the Church of today does not have a real clue what is actually in the Bible.......just this past Sunday, I had to convince the class that "cleanliness is next to Godliness" is nowhere to be found.

:nod

There really is no problem with the use of "God the Son" since the Son is God and a part of the Trinity. That it isn't in the Bible is irrelevant since the concept is there, just as it is with "Trinity" and any other number of concepts to which we give names that aren't found in Scripture.

So, I believe literally John 1:12. Does that put me, or anyone else who believes this in the God class? And if that's the case, the first person to do this is the 4th person and etc etc?

 

[Free]

Maybe so, but my point is, it has become a common phrase amongst Christians today and the phrase is nowhere found in the Bible in which our Christianity is based on.

Try bringing this up in your Sunday School class and watch as folks condemn you to hell with the looks they give....... only to be proven wrong in the end.

It amazes me how much the Church of today does not have a real clue what is actually in the Bible.......just this past Sunday, I had to convince the class that "cleanliness is next to Godliness" is nowhere to be found.

:nod

There really is no problem with the use of "God the Son" since the Son is God and a part of the Trinity. That it isn't in the Bible is irrelevant since the concept is there, just as it is with "Trinity" and any other number of concepts to which we give names that aren't found in Scripture.

So, I believe literally John 1:12. Does that put me, or anyone else who believes this in the God class? And if that's the case, the first person to do this is the 4th person and etc etc?

And hence the problem with not taking into consideration all that the Bible says about the nature of God. It is abundantly clear in Scripture that we are adopted sons and daughters whereas Jesus is the only begotten Son. Thus the phrase "Son of God" means something significantly different then when we are referred to as "sons of God."

Rom 8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!" (ESV)

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,
Gal 4:5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" (ESV)

 

[cupid dave]

So, I believe literally John 1:12. Does that put me, or anyone else who believes this in the God class? And if that's the case, the first person to do this is the 4th person and etc etc?

Yes, it means that when one becomes open and accepting of Truth as the way to live one's life he is in the body of Christ, part of the "church" of such people.
We saw this illustrated by Rev Martin Luther King when he stood up in a personal sacrifice of his own life for the Truth about what was called Separate but equal.

The martyrs that faced down Roman oppression that demanded they lie about who is God, Caesar or Christ were also the sons of god.
They were NOT the first born, of course.

 

[cupid dave]

This is why I don't debate trying to explain a Godly existence using human understanding. Just believe.

Today, this issue is critical as Islam now rises up and claims that Christianity is false, that the Trinity idea makes no sense and was an invention of church leaders in 325AD.
In fact, Mohammed was able to repulse the virtual invasion of Arabia when hoards of Christian evangelists began proselytizing their Arab neighbors simply by ridiculing Trinity and five times a day in every village, a bell rang out to cries of "Allah is one."

It is clear to me that Christians need pick up this issue in force everywhere, and appeal to the rational Muslim minds now, showing them that "Allah is not one."

Christ is Truth.
Christ is the image of the Father, which means that Force behind the ever unfolding Reality that sires Truth.

Truth has a father, hence Allah is either a liar or Allah has a son.

 

[cupid dave]

John1:1

In the beginning was the Word, (i.e.; Truth: [John 14:6]), and the Word, (Truth, itself), was (synonymous) with God, (i.e.; Reality), and the Word, (Truth: [John 14:6]), was (indistinguishable from Reality), God, (the almighty for all men).

2 "He," (Truth, the symbolic Word to come: [Jud 1:3]) was with God, (i.e.; the ever unfolding Reality), in the beginning, (that is, the initial unfolding of material Reality in what was the actual physical Creation).

Jn 1:3 ALL (real) THINGS, (phenomenally, i.e.; mentally), came into existence, (for man), through him, (i.e.; this concept of Truth), and apart from him, (this ideal of Truth), not even ONE (real) thing came into (actual) existence (for men).

1) Your suppositions seem to be similar to "spirit psychology and spiritual consciousness".

2) I noticed that you are in Santa Monica, CA. Are you familiar with the University of Santa Monica and their teachings in this area?

3) Could you explain your understanding of Jesus, who He is, what He did, and how does it relate to your salvation, if it does?

4) I have not shared my thoughts on this subject because I now can see that they would not be something relative in this conversation.

5) I would greatly appreciate it though if you would answer these two questions as it might move the conversation along.

1) I am uncertain how one would define and apply a concept called "spirit psychology and spiritual consciousness".
I do see Truth as a psychic apparatus inside us that Freud and Carl Jung referred to as archetypes.
I believe that Truth exists in the kingdom within.

The English term "soul" was chosen by the King James translator to replace the word psyke' whenever encountered in the Greek Bible.
So, yes, this does open the door of Christian counseling into the field of modern psychology.

2) I have never had any association with the University of Santa Monica but the mention of it had intrigued me.

4) Perhaps you will PM me in regard to the ideas which you fail to interject here and now?

3) If, as you suggest, this discussion here would move along better should I answer your two questions, it is my belief that Jesus was the so-of-man who came as all men, eating and drinking, a winebibber and a glutton.
When baptized by John, the spirit of Truth awoke inside him as if coming down from heaven like a dove, alighting upon him and identifying him psychologically, spiritually, i.e.; mentally, as the personification of the ideal and perfection of all Truth.

5) Open acceptance to Truth relates to my salvation from the insanity of living in Fantasy and ignoring lies which are used to construct the society in which we live and will raise the next generation.

As I have stated, the identification of The Christ, equating him to the Ideal of Truth, also identifies the Father as the almighty Force behind the ever unfolding next frame of Reality.
Truth be definition, is congruent with what really exists, with the factual existence, with Reality, itself.

Hence, the Trinity becomes a rather simple and logical idea, one which Islam needs re-consider today and one which is the savior of the whole world now heading towards the catastrophe of an intentional madness of Muslim Armageddon.




TRINITY:

Our (1) Lord is Truth, in whose (2) Spirit of mind wemust commit our lives, in order to face (3) Father Nature, the AlmightyReality, within which we all exist.

 

[cupid dave]

Is love not something that only exists between two or more creatures or beings, including persons? Is love not a feeling or action from one creature to another? If "God is love," as the Bible says, then that is a necessary quality of God and he must have "been love" from eternity past since he cannot not be love.

?

God IS love.
Simple...


"Does Love have a body? Is love a physical concrete material weighty object that people pass back and forth?"
No.

Truth is the son of god, a spiritual thing, mentally, non-physical.

 

[Free]

Is love not something that only exists between two or more creatures or beings, including persons? Is love not a feeling or action from one creature to another? If "God is love," as the Bible says, then that is a necessary quality of God and he must have "been love" from eternity past since he cannot not be love.

?

God IS love.
Simple...


"Does Love have a body? Is love a physical concrete material weighty object that people pass back and forth?"
No.

Truth is the son of god, a spiritual thing, mentally, non-physical.

That does not address the point I made.

 

[cupid dave]

Love does have a body. Love also has a mind/spirit/soul, and his name is Jesus.

Jesus said "I am the Truth,"...
He commanded us to love one another as he loved us, but God is Love.
1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son, (Truth), to be the propitiation for our sins.

 

[cupid dave]

Just playing around with numbers, you know the math types like me. But the math I see being proclaimed is nonsense. My favorite theologian is Sir Isaac Newton and I believe pretty much the way he did. Check him out sometime. After all, anyone who invents calculus to solve his problems can't be all bad.

As for the GWT judgement, how do you know I, or others for that matter, won't be saved there if we are not saved now? I don't think you really have a say, Urk, or am I becoming to you what you thought you said you were to others at one time? It all doesn't bother me one bit. I'm having some fun. No hard feelings here.

Three Persons - Holy Trinity












Just playing around with numbers, you know the math types like me. But the math I see being proclaimed is nonsense.

Mohammed saw the flaw in what the Christian proselytizers were "selling" to the pagan Arabs they hoped o convert, too.

Clearly, the simplest Arab could immediately see that mathematically, 3 is not one, and the Jews who had previously attack the Christians still insisted that the god of the Jews was one.
The Jews rose every morning and said God is one.

Mohammed opposed the Western Christians invading Arabia.
He saw them as a political threat that had taken down the whole Roman Empire.

His tactic was to sound a bell 5 times a day and have all his followers cry out, "Allah is one."
This mathematical logic still is on the tongues of every Muslim who questions and quizzes Christians everywhere.

But the Logic is not mathematical, but philosophical.
Truth is the image of the unfolding Reality that fathers Truth in its wake.

Truth and Reality are one and the same to man.
Man can not tell Truth from Reality because he must use Truth as his mediator in order to "see" Reality in his mind's eye.

Hence the Trinity that Jesus wrote about in Rev 3:12 is this, Truth born of Reality and seen as a spirit formed in the mind of men.

 

[cupid dave]

God is a trinity because we have three different persons with three different personalities/three different roles..but under one God. :D

Your "personage" can not seem to fathom the concept of spirit meaning mental, separate from the flesh.

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that,... the Spirit of God dwell in you, (i.e.; God is spirit, John 4:24).

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ (not in the flesh, for he is God), he is none of his, (i.e.; none of the membership of Christ).

 

[cupid dave]

However, I have yet to find any scripture using "God the Son" to describe Jesus.

Its His new name.
Trinity became His new name 1700 years ago.

Rev. 3:12 Him that overcometh (who sublimates beyond the common scriptural misunderstandings) will I, (the Truth), make a pillar, (a Homoiousian type of man, a new creature), in the temple of (the Absolute of Reality), my God, (the Uncaused First Cause), and he shall go out (of existence) no more, (he is the seed of eternal genetic life founding this species): and I, (Jesus), will write, (in 325 AD, at the Council of Nicaea) upon him, (the Christian), the name of my God, (Reality), and the name of the city of my God, which is the New (cube shaped) Jerusalem, (the Urim and Thummim:[Rev 21:16]), which cometh down out of the heaven (of mankind's collective mental contemplations) of my God (as imaged in men's abstract thoughts: [Gen 1:26-7]): and I will write upon him my new name, (Trinity: Theistic God, [the Father, Reality], Pan-en-theistic God, [the Spirit of my Natural Law], and Immanent God, [the Son, within, Truth].

 

[Adam]

It is my understanding that Mohammad signed a treaty with the Christians when they asked for peace. He extended fellowship to them and they were on good terms.


I don't know where you derive the claim that he had a "tactic" to overcome Christians as a political threat or that the tactic was to ring a bell and have his followers cry out. He was a businessman, capitalist, almost monopolist who had success in warfare. Islam was not developed to combat Christianity. He had an army and an economy for that. Islam was formed to address internal problems within the Arabic culture. It had nothing to do with outsiders.

 

[Guest]

God is a trinity because we have three different persons with three different personalities/three different roles..but under one God. :D

Your "personage" can not seem to fathom the concept of spirit meaning mental, separate from the flesh.

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that,... the Spirit of God dwell in you, (i.e.; God is spirit, John 4:24).

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ (not in the flesh, for he is God), he is none of his, (i.e.; none of the membership of Christ).

My personage? What are you talking about?