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True Acts 2:38 Christians will not go through the Great Tribulation
- Thread starter Bro Steve Winter
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Re: The Apostles of the Lamb...
Ok.
So by your definition, then The Church leadership of the 12 Apostles, falls under the category of The Israel of God and not the Church of God.
How about the rest of the Jews who were added to the Church daily -
... praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. Acts 2:47
By your definition, these Jews were the Israel of God as well.
JLB
Ok.
So by your definition, then The Church leadership of the 12 Apostles, falls under the category of The Israel of God and not the Church of God.
How about the rest of the Jews who were added to the Church daily -
... praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. Acts 2:47
By your definition, these Jews were the Israel of God as well.
JLB
And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14
[The] great tribulation is in and of itself a distinct and unique time of trouble as it is described by Jesus as -
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
So, for the sake of discussion the tribulation that is such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
JLB
Eventide
Member
Re: The Apostles of the Lamb...
If I had to chose for this one I'd say the church of God, since it comes right out and says it..
It would be important to note when exactly Israel was cut off.. Paul seems to show us that it was after their persistent rejection of the gospel of God's Son..
IOW it was quite some time before the destruction of the city in 70AD.
Either way, who can deny that these were staggering transitional times between the dispensation of the LAW and the GRACE of God in our Lord Jesus Christ.
It appears that you're implying that there is no distinction between the Israel of God and the church of God... is that the case ? Then perhaps you can make your argument for or against the distinction.
IMO it's like the difference between heaven and earth..
If I had to chose for this one I'd say the church of God, since it comes right out and says it..
It would be important to note when exactly Israel was cut off.. Paul seems to show us that it was after their persistent rejection of the gospel of God's Son..
IOW it was quite some time before the destruction of the city in 70AD.
Either way, who can deny that these were staggering transitional times between the dispensation of the LAW and the GRACE of God in our Lord Jesus Christ.
It appears that you're implying that there is no distinction between the Israel of God and the church of God... is that the case ? Then perhaps you can make your argument for or against the distinction.
IMO it's like the difference between heaven and earth..
Re: As a thief in the night and as travail upon a woman with child.
14 And I said unto him, xSir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of ygreat tribulation, and have zwashed their robes, and omade them white ain the blood of the Lamb.
JBL, how about your posted translation and your posted reference being the same
14 And I said unto him, xSir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of ygreat tribulation, and have zwashed their robes, and omade them white ain the blood of the Lamb.
JBL, how about your posted translation and your posted reference being the same
Re: As a thief in the night and as travail upon a woman with child.
14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 NKJV
14 I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 NAS
14 and I have said to him, `Sir, thou hast known;' and he said to me, `These are those who are coming out of the great tribulation, and they did wash their robes, and they made their robes white in the blood of the Lamb; Revelation 7:14 YLT
14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 ASV
14 I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 NIV
14 I said to him, "Sir, you know." And he said to me, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 RSV
14 I said to him, "Sir, you know." Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 HCS
These are the top recognized Versions of the Bible today, and they all say the great tribulation.
It seems your version would be in the minority on this one.
The great tribulation that Jesus referred to in Matthew 24:21, is the one that says, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:21
Making it unique from all the other times of trouble.
I don't know why you would try to cloud the meaning of the great tribulation, to suggest that there is no such thing, or that this event is past.
Makes no sense.
JLB
14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 NKJV
14 I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 NAS
14 and I have said to him, `Sir, thou hast known;' and he said to me, `These are those who are coming out of the great tribulation, and they did wash their robes, and they made their robes white in the blood of the Lamb; Revelation 7:14 YLT
14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 ASV
14 I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 NIV
14 I said to him, "Sir, you know." And he said to me, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 RSV
14 I said to him, "Sir, you know." Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 HCS
These are the top recognized Versions of the Bible today, and they all say the great tribulation.
It seems your version would be in the minority on this one.
The great tribulation that Jesus referred to in Matthew 24:21, is the one that says, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:21
Making it unique from all the other times of trouble.
I don't know why you would try to cloud the meaning of the great tribulation, to suggest that there is no such thing, or that this event is past.
Makes no sense.
JLB
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Brother Mike
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Re: As a thief in the night and as travail upon a woman with child.
Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Thank you for making my point JLB........... about time you came around.
As for some of the other post? No resurrection of the dead? I kept quit so Reba does not think I am not being nice.
Mike.
Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Thank you for making my point JLB........... about time you came around.
As for some of the other post? No resurrection of the dead? I kept quit so Reba does not think I am not being nice.
Mike.
Re: As a thief in the night and as travail upon a woman with child.
Rom 3: we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
I might ask which law you suggest and keep to somehow become just before God? Thanks.
Is following the ministration of death (not life), written and engraved in stones your thing here? Gal 3:22 if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness should have been by the law. Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Rom 3: we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
I might ask which law you suggest and keep to somehow become just before God? Thanks.
Re: As a thief in the night and as travail upon a woman with child.
Dear brother, the law was not given for at least three hundred or more years after Jacob if I've got it right before the law was given. For instance James 2:23 we're told: "the scripture was fulfilled which said, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteousness." Grace has always been grace even back to Adam and Eve for salvation. My thoughts.
Deborah13
Member
I agree Eventide, it is a type and shadow of Jesus and the Jews. And you make some very good points from the story. But I'd like to add a few points.
The older brothers knew what they had done. They knew that they had not actually killed him. They lied to Jacob and Benjamin didn't know, he wasn't there.
The first time they came they didn't bring Jacob (the father who loved Joseph (Jesus)) or Benjamin, the younger, who had no part in their deception.
He didn't go back into their land (which was his land, before the deception), they came to Egypt into a gentile land. It was there that he revealed himself to them.
Joseph insisted that they bring Benjamin to him. Then Joseph won't let Benjamin return with them, Jacob comes because of Benjamin. It was through Benjamin, he revealed himself.
We may very well be in the Benjamin generation, if you will. I don't watch the State of Israel to see what God is doing. I'm watching the Messianic movement among the Jews. This younger generation of Jews, people raised in the Jewish faith, are finding the Messiah. Not by returning to the physical land of Israel but through Jewish men and women, whom I believe God has ordained to teach them.
How have the Jews always found the Messiah? Ever since the cross, starting with Jewish men preaching Him (Stephen) and the Apostles, and the disciples. Jews speaking the Gospel of Christ. I believe we are going to see a great revival among those in the Jewish faith.
The older shall serve the younger.
stovebolts
Member
Amen brother. Most people don't know the Bible as a story well enough to recognize that it actually repeats itself over and over. Only the details change, but the theme remains constant. I believe keeping the Bible in most cases first and foremost as a story is what allows scriptures to remain living and active.
Grace and Peace.
W
Watchmen for Christ
Guest
wow no "the"?
yep a great tribulation such as has never been nor will ever be, true Christians will endure tribulation when satan and his angels come playing religion to purge all of the tares from we the believers who refuse to worship satan:
Jesus warns the tribulation is false Christs and prophets with great signs and wonders to seduce (aka pre trib rapture) :
Matthew 24:21-31
King James Version (KJV)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
those who "fall" for the false Christs will betray,beat and deliver we believers who refuse to worship satan during the above great tribulation (purging of tares 1st) for our gathering is when Jesus Christ says:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
people try to downplay the coming of satan and his angels (rev 12-14) as false Christs (matt 24,mark 13 luke 21) and satan as false God II thess 2:1-12,dan 11
as just another tribulation or try to claim they are gonna fly away before satan comes to play fake God.sadly these folks will see satan and his angels playing holy and think it's Jesus come for them earlier than HE said, and fall right for satan's trap , purging them as unbelievers who defile their wedding garments by fornication with satan.
W
Watchmen for Christ
Guest
Matthew 13:30
King James Version (KJV)
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Matthew 13:36-43
King James Version (KJV)
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
when satan and his angels come playing Holy many "fall away" because of the false teaching that has them looking FOR the gathering of tares because someone adds pre trib to pauls words and call the purge of tares a "pre trib" rapture.
Jesus says the harvest is at the end of the world, after the tribulation of false Christs matt 24:21-31.
some will try to downplay Christ's warning of the false Christs as if His warning is for Jews only :
Revelation 7:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:13-17
King James Version (KJV)
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
King James Version (KJV)
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Matthew 13:36-43
King James Version (KJV)
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
when satan and his angels come playing Holy many "fall away" because of the false teaching that has them looking FOR the gathering of tares because someone adds pre trib to pauls words and call the purge of tares a "pre trib" rapture.
Jesus says the harvest is at the end of the world, after the tribulation of false Christs matt 24:21-31.
some will try to downplay Christ's warning of the false Christs as if His warning is for Jews only :
Revelation 7:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:13-17
King James Version (KJV)
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Re: As a thief in the night and as travail upon a woman with child.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2
So we see the resurrection of the dead associated with the end of the age and the great tribulation.
The Resurrection comes before the Rapture.
The Resurrection occurs when Jesus returns at the end of the age.
The Resurrection of the dead, includes the saints that have come out of the great tribulation and have washed their robes and made them white.
JLB
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2
So we see the resurrection of the dead associated with the end of the age and the great tribulation.
The Resurrection comes before the Rapture.
The Resurrection occurs when Jesus returns at the end of the age.
The Resurrection of the dead, includes the saints that have come out of the great tribulation and have washed their robes and made them white.
JLB
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Brother Mike
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Re: As a thief in the night and as travail upon a woman with child.
No, you had it right the first time.
The time of the tribulation as Jesus said, a time this earth has not seen, the same one mentioned in Danial 12:1 is at that time, we are delivered, and a resurrection event follows. We still have to wait around for the tribulation though.
But, the dead in Christ raised first, then us, then tribulation, then we come back with the Lord, grab the rest that did not get it like we did, and everyone lives happy ever after.
False Christ is what? don't we have those today? It's someone claiming to be anointed of God to heal, and do all kinds of stuff. Christ means anointed, or Jesus Christ the anointed one and his anointing for us.
If this has happened, nobody would be here. The only other time was when God drowned every living person and most every animal on the planet but Noah and His family. This time Jesus is talking about has not happened yet, nor happed since, because it beats everything that the flood was, and the flood almost destroyed mankind.
The Holy Spirit already knew that people who thought this is past already, this great tribulation came to their rescue to get them out of error.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Either we missed the Earth perishing again and someone forgot to record it, or there is a time coming as Jesus said that beats anything this flood did.
Mike.
No, you had it right the first time.
The time of the tribulation as Jesus said, a time this earth has not seen, the same one mentioned in Danial 12:1 is at that time, we are delivered, and a resurrection event follows. We still have to wait around for the tribulation though.
But, the dead in Christ raised first, then us, then tribulation, then we come back with the Lord, grab the rest that did not get it like we did, and everyone lives happy ever after.
False Christ is what? don't we have those today? It's someone claiming to be anointed of God to heal, and do all kinds of stuff. Christ means anointed, or Jesus Christ the anointed one and his anointing for us.
If this has happened, nobody would be here. The only other time was when God drowned every living person and most every animal on the planet but Noah and His family. This time Jesus is talking about has not happened yet, nor happed since, because it beats everything that the flood was, and the flood almost destroyed mankind.
The Holy Spirit already knew that people who thought this is past already, this great tribulation came to their rescue to get them out of error.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Either we missed the Earth perishing again and someone forgot to record it, or there is a time coming as Jesus said that beats anything this flood did.
Mike.
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W
Watchmen for Christ
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Quote by Mike:
False Christ is what? don't we have those today? It's someone claiming to be anointed of God to heal, and do all kinds of stuff. Christ means anointed, or Jesus Christ the anointed one and his anointing for us.
no Bro Mike they'll not be just mere men, it's satan and his angels coming to earth (rev 12-14,dan 9-11,Joel 2,matt 24:4-5,mark 13 5-6,matt 24:21-28, mark 13:19-28,luke 21:8,19-29,II thess 2:1-12,II cor 11, etc) claiming to be Jesus to purge those who think Jesus is coming early to fly them away. they haven't come yet and notice when they come claiming to be Jesus they will have "great signs and lying wonders"
2 Thessalonians 2:8-9
King James Version (KJV)
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
many will see these false Christs, think it's really Jesus by false teaching of "early rapture" and follow them straight to satan as false God purging them as tares from we the wheat
Luke 21:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Revelation 13:11-15
King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
those who's names are not wriiten in the book of life worship satan:
Revelation 3:4-6
King James Version (KJV)
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
mark 13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. <--Holy Spirit NOT removed
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Revelation 7:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:13-17
King James Version (KJV)
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Revelation 19:5-9
5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
we believers must refuse the coming purge of tares by satan and his angels claiming to be Holy and wait as wheat (for Christ's post trib rapture to Jerusalem) remaining undefiled spiritual virgins
False Christ is what? don't we have those today? It's someone claiming to be anointed of God to heal, and do all kinds of stuff. Christ means anointed, or Jesus Christ the anointed one and his anointing for us.
no Bro Mike they'll not be just mere men, it's satan and his angels coming to earth (rev 12-14,dan 9-11,Joel 2,matt 24:4-5,mark 13 5-6,matt 24:21-28, mark 13:19-28,luke 21:8,19-29,II thess 2:1-12,II cor 11, etc) claiming to be Jesus to purge those who think Jesus is coming early to fly them away. they haven't come yet and notice when they come claiming to be Jesus they will have "great signs and lying wonders"
2 Thessalonians 2:8-9
King James Version (KJV)
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
many will see these false Christs, think it's really Jesus by false teaching of "early rapture" and follow them straight to satan as false God purging them as tares from we the wheat
Luke 21:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Revelation 13:11-15
King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
those who's names are not wriiten in the book of life worship satan:
Revelation 3:4-6
King James Version (KJV)
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
mark 13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. <--Holy Spirit NOT removed
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Revelation 7:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Revelation 7:13-17
King James Version (KJV)
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Revelation 19:5-9
5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
we believers must refuse the coming purge of tares by satan and his angels claiming to be Holy and wait as wheat (for Christ's post trib rapture to Jerusalem) remaining undefiled spiritual virgins
The KJV does not say ' a great tribulation '
Mat_24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Rev_2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev_7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Is the church in China under great tribulation? or the Sudan do we not see the signs of coming persecution in the USA ( I pray God intervenes)
@JLB quoting KJV here
Re: As a thief in the night and as travail upon a woman with child.
How can this be when the resurrection is the last day?
How can this be when the resurrection is the last day?