True teachers.

[Scotth1960]

why do you assume that about me? i am not against looking at other saints of the lore.

i do like st.jerome but i havent reasearched him but to whom do we rely on the bible or men's opinion.

i look to the word, that doesnt mean i just blow off early saints.

you also didnt mention st.aquinas or chaucer.

Dear jasoncran, I do not consider Aquinas as a teacher to rely on because of his FIlioquism and his papism. The West considers him a saint, but I would say the East questions this because of his schism against the Greeks. He is writing polemic material "Contra Errores Graecorum", when the Greeks are not in error regarding Filioque, and the papacy. Chaucer is as hard to understand as Shakespeare. I, too, like C.S. Lewis. I would include both Schaeffers, Francis A. Schaeffer, and his controversial son, Frank Schaeffer. I think Schaeffer has become something of a controversy and I would think not all Eastern Orthodox agree with some of his more recent books. He is talking a bit too much in print about some controversial things, instead of things which promote peace and unity. That is just my opinion, maybe, ISTM. Anyway, his book "Dancing Alone: The Quest For Orthodox Faith in the Age of False Religions" is excellent reading, and every Protestant who wants to know where his interpretation of the Bible comes from should read Frank Schaeffer. Protestants do not follow the Bible (alone) but a man-made tradition that is not much older than 500 years or perhaps 700 going back to John Wycliffe in the 1260s. See: Regina Orthodox Press, Salisbury, MA, Regina Orthodox Press Online Store for Frank Schaeffer's books. In Erie PA Scott Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

Does a good teacher have to be charismatic?

I have personally met Ravi. I grew up in the CM&A and was a member there for about 40 years.

Dear Alabster, My experience with speaking in tongues and charismatic renewal may be more a product of my own mental illness and my own fallenness and sin than anything resembling what the Bible really means about "the baptism in the Holy Spirit". I currently consider it an aberration, and I would stand corrected only by the Holy Spirit Himself. The Spirit certainly is Sovereign LORD and can manifest Himself any way that He chooses. But not every gift is a "gift of the Spirit". It can be a psychological phenomenon, if not an outright demonic deception. Certainly, the tongues mentioned in the Bible were real foreign languages of men, and not the "tongues of angels". I would say that the CM&A is a more stable group than the AoG, but I may be wrong on that. I am not an expert on charismatic renewal, the Pentecostal movement, and the Holiness denominations. The Church of God (Anderson, IN) is another group I find interesting. There are many denominations, ISTM, in the Pentecostal-Holiness movements. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS There is much good, some good, in any denomination or "church" that is genuinely Christian in most of what it preaches and does.
Christ is present everywhere, anyway. Christ alone can judge all these denominations, and bring them into eventual unity in the All-Holy Spirit of God, Who proceedeth from the Father (John 15:26).

 

[jasoncran]

i am with the church of god anderson, in

 

[reba]

The Board of Directors of World Missionary Assistance Plan unanimously appointed Frank and Wendy Parrish as the new Directors of World MAP in 2002. Based in Burbank, California, World MAP provides free Christian training literature and seminars to impoverished church leaders in Asia, Africa, Latin America and Eastern Europe.

The folks above are the younger generation.

Years back Ralph Mahoney and Brian Baily showed to be godly men.

 

[reba]

Jesus of Nazareth
Saul (Paul) of Tarsus
John (the son of Zebedee)

Can't really think of any since then.

Very good!

 

[westtexas]

What about the Church Fathers? Chrysostom, Jerome, Augustine of Hippo, St. Basil, St. Gregory Nazianzus, St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Symeon the New Theologian? Ever heard of them? Ever hear of Fr. Seraphim Rose?

St. Gregory of Nyssa and his teachings on Universalism deserves the "true teachers" list???
Westtexas

 

[Alabaster]

Dear Alabster, My experience with speaking in tongues and charismatic renewal may be more a product of my own mental illness and my own fallenness and sin than anything resembling what the Bible really means about "the baptism in the Holy Spirit". I currently consider it an aberration, and I would stand corrected only by the Holy Spirit Himself. The Spirit certainly is Sovereign LORD and can manifest Himself any way that He chooses. But not every gift is a "gift of the Spirit". It can be a psychological phenomenon, if not an outright demonic deception. Certainly, the tongues mentioned in the Bible were real foreign languages of men, and not the "tongues of angels". I would say that the CM&A is a more stable group than the AoG, but I may be wrong on that. I am not an expert on charismatic renewal, the Pentecostal movement, and the Holiness denominations. The Church of God (Anderson, IN) is another group I find interesting. There are many denominations, ISTM, in the Pentecostal-Holiness movements. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS There is much good, some good, in any denomination or "church" that is genuinely Christian in most of what it preaches and does.
Christ is present everywhere, anyway. Christ alone can judge all these denominations, and bring them into eventual unity in the All-Holy Spirit of God, Who proceedeth from the Father (John 15:26).

Group Schmoup.

Let the Lord teach you the truth about His gifts to the Body of Christ. You cannot favour one over the other, or disdain one and be in awe of another. They all are important to His Body. If you have an impedioment to your faith such as a mental illness, commit it to Jesus for His healing. Do not let something like that derail your faith and your acceptance of what the plain word is telling you. Be like a child and receive Him with childlike faith.

Paul prayed in tongues ALL THE TIME. He speaks of tongues of angels.

 

[Strangelove]

For current teachers/Pastors I personally recommend Phil Johnson of 'GraceLife Pulpit'.

Heres a link to his sermons page:

Phil Johnson Sermons

You can right click on 'listen' and then 'save as' to your computer.

I havn't found any fault with his teachings and find him to be a tremendous speaker and inspirational. Very edifying.

Jesus Christ is the only true teacher we can fully trust. Good teachers, like Phil, simply echo the Words of Jesus.

 

[Mike]

Dear jasoncran, I do not consider Aquinas as a teacher to rely on because of his FIlioquism and his papism. The West considers him a saint, but I would say the East questions this because of his schism against the Greeks. He is writing polemic material "Contra Errores Graecorum", when the Greeks are not in error regarding Filioque, and the papacy. Chaucer is as hard to understand as Shakespeare. I, too, like C.S. Lewis. I would include both Schaeffers, Francis A. Schaeffer, and his controversial son, Frank Schaeffer. I think Schaeffer has become something of a controversy and I would think not all Eastern Orthodox agree with some of his more recent books. He is talking a bit too much in print about some controversial things, instead of things which promote peace and unity. That is just my opinion, maybe, ISTM. Anyway, his book "Dancing Alone: The Quest For Orthodox Faith in the Age of False Religions" is excellent reading, and every Protestant who wants to know where his interpretation of the Bible comes from should read Frank Schaeffer. Protestants do not follow the Bible (alone) but a man-made tradition that is not much older than 500 years or perhaps 700 going back to John Wycliffe in the 1260s. See: Regina Orthodox Press, Salisbury, MA, Regina Orthodox Press Online Store for Frank Schaeffer's books. In Erie PA Scott Harrington

Scott, perhaps I've been conditioned to be expecting that your threads are intended to promote the Eastern Orthodox church, but I'm seeing that this appears to be an argument (not in an aggressive way) for Orthodox teachers. I love the premiss of focusing on who's doing right as opposed to who's teaching wrong, although I fear this will turn into the latter as people disagree, and I'd love to see you get branch off from your M.O. of establishing the EO as "the Church". "The Church" is the full Body of Christ which includes those who have repented, put their faith in, and follow Christ.
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To the participants in general, does anyone listen to Hank Hanegraaff? He's not associated with a particular denomination that I know of, but I believe he has very sound doctrine and that he along with the Bible Research Institute adhere very closely to the Word of God. He has a very steady temperament and can use biblical reasoning to cut through many false doctrines. He is always quick to follow up his dismissal of false doctrines with a statement that, while we can vigorously debate non-salvation doctrines, they don't have to divide the Church.

Also,
David Jeremiah
R.C. Sproul

 

[francisdesales]

Dear jasoncran, I do not consider Aquinas as a teacher to rely on because of his FIlioquism and his papism. The West considers him a saint, but I would say the East questions this because of his schism against the Greeks. He is writing polemic material "Contra Errores Graecorum", when the Greeks are not in error regarding Filioque, and the papacy. Chaucer is as hard to understand as Shakespeare. I, too, like C.S. Lewis. I would include both Schaeffers, Francis A. Schaeffer, and his controversial son, Frank Schaeffer. I think Schaeffer has become something of a controversy and I would think not all Eastern Orthodox agree with some of his more recent books. He is talking a bit too much in print about some controversial things, instead of things which promote peace and unity.

Talk about calling the kettle black.

 

[elijah23]

Dear friends, We have all but discussed (too much perhaps) about ""false teachers".
Can we discuss about true teachers. Who are the true teachers of Scripture throughout Church history, and here in America today? Any opinions? In Erie Scott

I don’t think people should call themselves teachers:

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. Matt 23:8 RSV

 

[westtexas]

Thanks for the link Doc. Anybody else got a link to some audio sermons that you feel are good?
Westtexas

 

[Proverbs3/5]

I don’t think people should call themselves teachers:

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. Matt 23:8 RSV

As said before:
Jesus Christ
Paul the Apostle
and others
We can all learn from true Bible expositors. My favorite Bible expositor is Chuck Missler.

 

[Strangelove]

To the participants in general, does anyone listen to Hank Hanegraaff? He's not associated with a particular denomination that I know of, but I believe he has very sound doctrine and that he along with the Bible Research Institute adhere very closely to the Word of God. He has a very steady temperament and can use biblical reasoning to cut through many false doctrines. He is always quick to follow up his dismissal of false doctrines with a statement that, while we can vigorously debate non-salvation doctrines, they don't have to divide the Church.

A tad ecumenical for my likings Mike.

Can we open the false teachers thread again please. Otherwise this thread will deteriorate fast.

I agree with you that this thread should be for people to put forward their suggestions for good teachers and pastors without them being attacked like that other topic. :help

 

[Drew]

I enjoy the teachings of many, apart from my own teachers that God has placed in my life, who would be the very first on my list! Some are:

{.....,Creflo Dollar,....}

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From Wikipedia:

Dollar is known for his controversial teachings of Prosperity theology. He has been criticized for his lavish lifestyle as he owns two Rolls-Royces, a private jet, a million dollar home in Atlanta, and a 2.5 million dollar home in Manhattan. Dollar has refused to disclose his salary and Creflo Dollar Ministries received a grade of "F" for financial transparency by the organization MinistryWatch.
Creflo Dollar has also claimed that he raised two separate individuals from the dead in his CD series on Faithfulness.

Do you dispute this material?

 

[Alabaster]

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From Wikipedia:

Dollar is known for his controversial teachings of Prosperity theology. He has been criticized for his lavish lifestyle as he owns two Rolls-Royces, a private jet, a million dollar home in Atlanta, and a 2.5 million dollar home in Manhattan. Dollar has refused to disclose his salary and Creflo Dollar Ministries received a grade of "F" for financial transparency by the organization MinistryWatch.
Creflo Dollar has also claimed that he raised two separate individuals from the dead in his CD series on Faithfulness.

Do you dispute this material?

Wikipedia? LOL!

As I said, I enjoy Creflo Dollar. He preaches the WORD OF GOD with excellence and powerful anointing.

This is not a "False Teachers" thread, so...we shall not be arguing this here, thank you.

 

[Drew]

Wikipedia? LOL!

As I said, I enjoy Creflo Dollar. He preaches the WORD OF GOD with excellence and powerful anointing.

This is not a "False Teachers" thread, so...we shall not be arguing this here, thank you.

Nice try. You are not answering the question.

Do you deny the truthfulness of the assertions about Creflo Dollar as per the wikipedia article?

 

[reba]

A great way to test a true teacher is with Scripture

“ That was God in that body, we always think of that with the last Adam but we never say that with the first Adam. It was God. God took a reflection of Himself and put it in a physical body formed out of the dust and gave him authority of all physical things on the planet. So that like He was God in heaven, now He’s made Adam God of the earth. Adam has been crowned God of all physical things from the dust of the earth including the moon the stars and the planets. I’m going to show you all thin in Scripture but just follow me now… I’m just askin’ you to trust me for a minute until I open the Bible†(sure would have helped if he opened it before he spoke). Creflo Dollar

The Bible simply says

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 

[Drew]

A great way to test a true teacher is with Scripture

“ That was God in that body, we always think of that with the last Adam but we never say that with the first Adam. It was God. God took a reflection of Himself and put it in a physical body formed out of the dust and gave him authority of all physical things on the planet. So that like He was God in heaven, now He’s made Adam God of the earth. Adam has been crowned God of all physical things from the dust of the earth including the moon the stars and the planets. I’m going to show you all thin in Scripture but just follow me now… I’m just askin’ you to trust me for a minute until I open the Bible†(sure would have helped if he opened it before he spoke). Creflo Dollar

The Bible simply says

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

I don't understand your position on Mr. Dollar. It appears that you think he is mistaken in respect to man's role in respect to the cosmos. Based on the quote you provided, I am inclined to agree with what Mr. Dollar says about this issue.

But, either way, what Mr. Dollar says is not the only consideration. How he lives is also important, and if the wikipedia material is correct, which I bet it is, I suggest that he is not setting a very good example through his opulent lifestyle.

 

[reba]

Again to know if a teacher is a true teacher we look to Scripture.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Yet Creflo says about the temptation, “Now, Genesis chapter 2 and 3, Satan shows up in the form of a serpent. Now, here’s the big problem with this. If you eat of this fruit, you will be like God. What’s the problem? He’s already like God. … oh my goodness man, he was all God He was already like God†(Creflo Dollar, Our equality with God through righteousness 1/21/2001).