True teachers.

[Hitch]

Wikipedia? LOL!

As I said, I enjoy Creflo Dollar. He preaches the WORD OF GOD with excellence and powerful anointing.

This is not a "False Teachers" thread, so...we shall not be arguing this here, thank you.

I could have sworn Scott authored this thread.

 

[Hitch]

Nice try. You are not answering the question.

Do you deny the truthfulness of the assertions about Creflo Dollar as per the wikipedia article?

Come on Drew, you should know by now that truthfulness is not defined by facts but by adhereence to WOF dogma.

 

[Drew]

Yet Creflo says about the temptation, “Now, Genesis chapter 2 and 3, Satan shows up in the form of a serpent. Now, here’s the big problem with this. If you eat of this fruit, you will be like God. What’s the problem? He’s already like God. … oh my goodness man, he was all God He was already like God†(Creflo Dollar, Our equality with God through righteousness 1/21/2001).

OK, perhaps I see what you mean. However, I suggest that we should all agree that there is at least a sense in which Adam, and therefore us when we are rescued from our Adamic state, do indeed bear the image of God, at least in some sense.

 

[Scotth1960]

Wikipedia? LOL!

As I said, I enjoy Creflo Dollar. He preaches the WORD OF GOD with excellence and powerful anointing.

This is not a "False Teachers" thread, so...we shall not be arguing this here, thank you.

Dear Alabaster, If it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck, and it quacks like, a duck, "it's a duck". Creflo A. Dollar? Sounds like a fake name. What's the bottom line for "Rev." "Dollar". "The Almighty Dollar". Preachers who follow money promote themselves. Not following the example of St. John the Baptist, who Jesus Christ our Lord called "the greatest man". St. John Baptist said of Jesus and himself, "He must increase; but I must decrease". Would that Pentecostal-charismatic prosperity teachers today would preach that, they they would decrease, and that there wallets would not have to "increase" in order for them to be considered "the elect of God". This is a kind of aberration and will pass. People who twist the Scriptures for personal gain were warned about long ago in the epistles of our father among the saints, the blessed Apostle St. Paul.
But Christ said, "You cannot serve God and mammon" (money to be worshipped).
In Erie PA Scott Harrington
PS No one with a sound mind would consider Creflo Dollar to be a sound teacher. Frederick K. Price is another scripture twister. This whole "seed faith" preaching for money concept seems to have started with men like Oral Roberts.
It also began in the quest to sell pardons for sins for remission from alleged "purgatory" to build the Vatican, St. Peter's cathedral in Rome in the 16th century. Luther protested against that bravely and commendably in his classic polemic, "The 95 Theses". I would agree with Luther in his 95 theses; and there is no purgatory after death. No second place of punishment. It is either heaven, or hell.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"Who are the true teachers of Scripture throughout Church history, and here in America today?"

Bob Mumford
Charles Schmitt
Derek Prince
Watchman Nee
Ern Baxter
Merlin Carrothers
Winkie Pratney
Malcom Smith
Joyce Meyer
E. Stanley Jones
J. Edwin Orr
C.S. Lewis

To name the main ones for me.

 

[Scotth1960]

"Who are the true teachers of Scripture throughout Church history, and here in America today?"

Bob Mumford
Charles Schmitt
Derek Prince
Watchman Nee
Ern Baxter
Merlin Carrothers
Winkie Pratney
Malcom Smith
Joyce Meyer
E. Stanley Jones
J. Edwin Orr
C.S. Lewis

To name the main ones for me.

Dear friend, Watchman Nee has a potential problem. There is controversy regarding his disciple, Witness Lee. The Local Church is considered cultic or at least in some sense aberrational by some people. See Jack N. Sparks book "The Mindbenders". There was a big lawsuit against this book, and I believe the Local Church prevailed in court. That doesn't necessarily mean they are right, and their group doesn't teach some kind of false theology. I really don't know. It just seems to me just another Protestant sect, and Protestantism is sectarian, and produces many new divisions and schisms. All based allegedly "on the Bible only". According to the traditions of men. Some people even have a problem with C.S. Lewis, although I find nothing wrong with him. That is just my opinion, ISTM. But some fundamentalist Baptists I have read really question whether or not C.S. Lewis was "saved". I believe we should refrain from making such judgments against anyone, because in the last day, God alone in Christ can rightly and righteously judge all people. Christ commands all men, "Judge not, lest ye be judged". The rest of the NT however commands us to judge what is sound doctrine, and what is not. We can identify heresy when it is clearly revealed bythe Word of God (such as St. John 15:26 reveals FILIOQUE is heresy) to be heretical. In Erie PA Scott Harrington
PS Google Witness Lee and Local Church controversy for more INFO.

 

[reba]

OK, perhaps I see what you mean. However, I suggest that we should all agree that there is at least a sense in which Adam, and therefore us when we are rescued from our Adamic state, do indeed bear the image of God, at least in some sense.

Mr. Dollar says all God As was said ye shall not shurly die

 

[Alabaster]

Dear Alabaster, If it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck, and it quacks like, a duck, "it's a duck". Creflo A. Dollar? Sounds like a fake name. What's the bottom line for "Rev." "Dollar". "The Almighty Dollar". Preachers who follow money promote themselves. Not following the example of St. John the Baptist, who Jesus Christ our Lord called "the greatest man". St. John Baptist said of Jesus and himself, "He must increase; but I must decrease". Would that Pentecostal-charismatic prosperity teachers today would preach that, they they would decrease, and that there wallets would not have to "increase" in order for them to be considered "the elect of God". This is a kind of aberration and will pass. People who twist the Scriptures for personal gain were warned about long ago in the epistles of our father among the saints, the blessed Apostle St. Paul.
But Christ said, "You cannot serve God and mammon" (money to be worshipped).
In Erie PA Scott Harrington
PS No one with a sound mind would consider Creflo Dollar to be a sound teacher. Frederick K. Price is another scripture twister. This whole "seed faith" preaching for money concept seems to have started with men like Oral Roberts.
It also began in the quest to sell pardons for sins for remission from alleged "purgatory" to build the Vatican, St. Peter's cathedral in Rome in the 16th century. Luther protested against that bravely and commendably in his classic polemic, "The 95 Theses". I would agree with Luther in his 95 theses; and there is no purgatory after death. No second place of punishment. It is either heaven, or hell.

Please do not post in this thread if all you are going to do is add a negative twist and denigrate men of God you know nothing about, obviously.

 

[Scotth1960]

I enjoy the teachings of many, apart from my own teachers that God has placed in my life, who would be the very first on my list! Some are:

Joyce Meyer
Andrew Wommack
Kay Arthur
John and Lisa Bevere
Beth Moore
Joseph Prince
Creflo Dollar
Ravi Zacharias
James and Betty Robson
Bill Johnson

Dear Alabaster, You reject what I have written as a mere "tradition of men". But then you praise the teaching of Creflo A. Dollar as preaching "the word of God". Give me a break! I have heard some of what he preaches, and there is nothing of the NT in it. It is all twisted avaricious rhetoric. All designed to make money for a prosperity preacher. I charge nothing to say the truth. I don't ask for contributions. In Erie PA Scott Harrington
PS While it is not wrong to spend money or have money, these modern preachers have a lot of money. And the love of money is a cause of all kinds of evil (NASB). And Benny Hinn is a strange teacher too.

 

[Alabaster]

Dear Alabaster, You reject what I have written as a mere "tradition of men". But then you praise the teaching of Creflo A. Dollar as preaching "the word of God". Give me a break! I have heard some of what he preaches, and there is nothing of the NT in it. It is all twisted avaricious rhetoric. All designed to make money for a prosperity preacher.

False.

I charge nothing to say the truth. I don't ask for contributions.

Neither do I. So what?

PS While it is not wrong to spend money or have money, these modern preachers have a lot of money.

God is the giver. How do you know people's hearts? God blesses whom He can trust to minister to the world with it.

And the love of money is a cause of all kinds of evil (NASB).

That could be why many do not prosper financially.

 

[jasoncran]

its sad today that so few of us can find some teachers in common.



real sad.

mike you like david jeremiah?

interesting.

 

[Sam21]

Question to Albaster. You seem to know the scriptures, why do you defend some of these bible teachers who are obviously teaching false doctrine? I am just wondering, is it your position that christians ignor the false teaching and accept the part of their message that is true and just pretend that everything is OK?

 

[Sam21]

About bible teachers. I like all of them when they are speaking the true word of God and I dislike all of them that distort the true word of God. In other words it is not personal.

 

[Alabaster]

Question to Albaster. You seem to know the scriptures, why do you defend some of these bible teachers who are obviously teaching false doctrine? I am just wondering, is it your position that christians ignor the false teaching and accept the part of their message that is true and just pretend that everything is OK?

So far, I have only heard messages from them that reflect scriptural truth. If and when I see something that opposes scripture, I will cast it aside and wait on God...and I may or may not have done that once or twice.

We do not always hang on every word of teachers do we? We are to be as the Bereans and check for ourselves if what a preacher or teacher says is true by Scripture! If a teacher speaks out of turn, does that make all they say error? No.

I follow the teachers God has placed in my life for me and my personal guidance first and foremost. All others are way down the list for me in importance.

 

[reba]

Bob,

Did ever hear Bob Mumford's message on embracing the bulldozer? That has been so many years ago. yikes time flies

 

[Mike]

A tad ecumenical for my likings Mike.

Can we open the false teachers thread again please. Otherwise this thread will deteriorate fast.

I agree with you that this thread should be for people to put forward their suggestions for good teachers and pastors without them being attacked like that other topic. :help

SL, are you saying Hanegraaff is ecumenical or my statement about him makes him sound so? I just can't tell if you've listened to him or your commenting on my post.

I'm afraid the False Teachers thread is going to stay dead. Numerous times we had to delete a slew of combative posts from both sides of the topic and warnings were given to keep it civil. I don't think having that one open will stop members from criticizing other peoples preferred people here.

mike you like david jeremiah?

interesting.

How so?

 

[jasoncran]

pre-tribber and also believes in eternal security. two things you neither embrace.

 

[Drew]

Please do not post in this thread if all you are going to do is add a negative twist and denigrate men of God you know nothing about, obviously.

You really do not have the right to make such a request - you do not get a "free pass" from critical observations about the people you set forward as "true teachers".

A number of posters, myself included have challenged the credentials of Creflo Dollar. You simply do not get to decide what is "allowed" in this thread. More specifically, if you put Mr. Dollar forward as a "true teacher", you do not get "immunity" from appropriate challenges.

Now you suggest that we "know nothing". Well, some very specific allegations have been leveled in respect to Mr. Dollar - and you remain entirely silent in respect to them. I suggest that if Mr. Dollar is indeed the "true teacher" that you suggest he is, then you really need to engage his critics, not simply dimiss them out of hand.

 

[Scotth1960]

You really do not have the right to make such a request - you do not get a "free pass" from critical observations about the people you set forward as "true teachers".

A number of posters, myself included have challenged the credentials of Creflo Dollar. You simply do not get to decide what is "allowed" in this thread. More specifically, if you put Mr. Dollar forward as a "true teacher", you do not get "immunity" from appropriate challenges.

Now you suggest that we "know nothing". Well, some very specific allegations have been leveled in respect to Mr. Dollar - and you remain entirely silent in respect to them. I suggest that if Mr. Dollar is indeed the "true teacher" that you suggest he is, then you really need to engage his critics, not simply dimiss them out of hand.

Dear Drew, I really do not KNOW all of the NAMES on the list of SOME OF YOU of "TRUE TEACHERS". So I CANNOT SAY WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THESE MEN AND WOMEN ARE TRUE TEACHERS, OR NOT.
I would say, ISTM, that both C.S. Lewis and Ravi Zacharias are true teachers.
The Church has its woman saints, but in general, the teachers in the Church have been men. Women teach best by piety and example, not instruction in doctrines over men. It is best to seek out which Christian church is closest in theory and in practice to the actual Church of the NT, and to seek fellowship with such a church. There are only 4 or five choices Eastern Orthodox Oriental Orthodox Old Catholic Roman Catholic and Evangelical Protestant. Unless we include Pentecostal-Charismatic as a sixth choice, but really Pentecostal-charismatic is a kind of Evangelical Protestant. Although there are charismatics in all or in many of the denominations. There is Catholic Charismatic and Protestant Charismatic and even some Eastern Orthodox charismatics. Take care.
In Erie PA Scott Harrington PS To the best of my knowledge Rev. Dollar lives up to his name and is concerned more about the dollar. I have not heard him preach that Christ is risen from the dead, though he may believe that. Christ is risen is the heart of the Gospel, not being one of the chosen elect few who receive many lucrative financial contributions from economically poor tv viewers for being a televangelist.

 

[Mike]

pre-tribber and also believes in eternal security. two things you neither embrace.

Honestly, I've never heard him preach on OSAS or pre-trib stuff. He must not make it a big part of his ministry, because I listen to him a fair amount.