True teachers.

Mike said:

Honestly, I've never heard him preach on OSAS or pre-trib stuff. He must not make it a big part of his ministry, because I listen to him a fair amount.
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he taught that on the end times when he went over the book or revalation.i have listened to him since at least 2008.

and you?
 
Mike said:
SL, are you saying Hanegraaff is ecumenical or my statement about him makes him sound so? I just can't tell if you've listened to him or your commenting on my post.
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Hanegraaff is ecumenical.

Mike said:
I'm afraid the False Teachers thread is going to stay dead. Numerous times we had to delete a slew of combative posts from both sides of the topic and warnings were given to keep it civil. I don't think having that one open will stop members from criticizing other peoples preferred people here.
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Ok, I guess it would have been better for the OP to make this in the CT&A Forum.
 
True teachers preach the Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified. They exalt the Lord Jesus Christ in all things..

As an example.. are they exalting the Lord Jesus Christ in all things, or are they always talking about how their church is the one true church...?

That's one simple way to know truth from lies... just by listening to what they're saying on a regular basis.
 
True teachers today.

John MacArthur
John Piper

I also enjoy:

P.G. Mathew
Dr. Erwin W. Lutzer
Charles Stanley

I think it is important to understand that Gods word is not some simple thing that man can understand easily. The Gospel itself is simple, but not the complete word of God. If we are to judge teachers, we need to make sure of the basics: Erwin W lutzer lists the basic propositions of evangelical faith:
  1. We affirm that God is holy.
  2. We affirm that Jesus is God in the flesh.
  3. We affirm the substitutionary attonement.
  4. We affirm we are sinners by nature and by choice.
  5. We affirm that the means of recieving salvation is faith alone.
  6. We affirm that assurance of salvation comes through resting in the sufficiency of Christs work in our behalf.
I do believe we need to discern the teachers out there, and it is frightening to seen the number of false teachers on TV now days.
 
Ed the Ned said:
True teachers today.

John MacArthur
John Piper

I also enjoy:

P.G. Mathew
Dr. Erwin W. Lutzer
Charles Stanley


I think it is important to understand that Gods word is not some simple thing that man can understand easily. The Gospel itself is simple, but not the complete word of God. If we are to judge teachers, we need to make sure of the basics: Erwin W lutzer lists the basic propositions of evangelical faith:
  1. We affirm that God is holy.
  2. We affirm that Jesus is God in the flesh.
  3. We affirm the substitutionary attonement.
  4. We affirm we are sinners by nature and by choice.
  5. We affirm that the means of recieving salvation is faith alone.
  6. We affirm that assurance of salvation comes through resting in the sufficiency of Christs work in our behalf.
I do believe we need to discern the teachers out there, and it is frightening to seen the number of false teachers on TV now days.
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Good post Ed. You should check out Phil Johnson. He's a pastor at John MacArthur's Gracelife ministry. I put a link to his sermons in one of my previous posts on this thread. Powerful speaker and sound doctrine in general.
 
Ed the Ned said:
True teachers today.

John MacArthur
John Piper

I also enjoy:

P.G. Mathew
Dr. Erwin W. Lutzer
Charles Stanley

I think it is important to understand that Gods word is not some simple thing that man can understand easily. The Gospel itself is simple, but not the complete word of God. If we are to judge teachers, we need to make sure of the basics: Erwin W lutzer lists the basic propositions of evangelical faith:
  1. We affirm that God is holy.
  2. We affirm that Jesus is God in the flesh.
  3. We affirm the substitutionary attonement.
  4. We affirm we are sinners by nature and by choice.
  5. We affirm that the means of recieving salvation is faith alone.
  6. We affirm that assurance of salvation comes through resting in the sufficiency of Christs work in our behalf.
I do believe we need to discern the teachers out there, and it is frightening to seen the number of false teachers on TV now days.
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Friend, You state, "We affirm that the meanings of receiving salvation is faith alone". That is Martin Luther's version of Romans 3:28, where he ADDED the non-Greek word "alone" to his German text of Romans. That makes Romans contradict James 2:24, which said believers are not justified by "faith alone".
It is something you should read from the NT, James 2:24 contradicts your point of doctrine no. 5. What is true is that salvation comes in stages. We come to Jesus without works (Eph. 2:8-9), but we do not remain without good works (Eph. 2:10). We come by faith, but not by "faith alone", but by faith which worketh through love (Galatians 5:6). We must love God and love neighbor to be saved, not just believe by "faith alone". In Erie PA Scott PS For love is greater than faith (1 Cor. 13:13).
PPS I would disagree with some of the teachers on these lists. They are not teaching all that should be taught. They teach doctrines of men sometimes. As for lists that contain "women teachers", this is against the word of God (1 Corinthians). Men have the place of teaching in the church; the charismatics have women teachers, in disobedience to the writings of blessed St. Paul. And of the practice of all the 12 apostles of Christ. Men have the leadership roles in the Church.
 
Strangelove said:
Hanegraaff is ecumenical.
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Well, you didn't say if you have listened to Hanegraaff or how much, but I'll go on the assumption that you have with that comment. I respect your opinion, although I agree and disagree. I've listened to him a lot, almost daily. He is very black and white with his interpretation of scripture, and I don't know how that can be "ecumenical" to a fault. He simply tells what is meant by scripture. He is very consistent with his stance on scripture and gives a very informed argument for everything he says. He refuses to back down from something that he finds biblically sound.

There can be good ecumenical and bad ecumenical in my opinion. Bad ecumenical begins when we accept flawed theology and put it on the same level with biblical Truth. He doesn't promote this approach, but he does say that there comes a time when we should stop a nonsalvific issue from driving us apart. In that sense, ecumenical can be a good thing.
 
Mike said:
Well, you didn't say if you have listened to Hanegraaff or how much, but I'll go on the assumption that you have with that comment. I respect your opinion, although I agree and disagree. I've listened to him a lot, almost daily. He is very black and white with his interpretation of scripture, and I don't know how that can be "ecumenical" to a fault. He simply tells what is meant by scripture. He is very consistent with his stance on scripture and gives a very informed argument for everything he says. He refuses to back down from something that he finds biblically sound.

There can be good ecumenical and bad ecumenical in my opinion. Bad ecumenical begins when we accept flawed theology and put it on the same level with biblical Truth. He doesn't promote this approach, but he does say that there comes a time when we should stop a nonsalvific issue from driving us apart. In that sense, ecumenical can be a good thing.
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Dear Mike, Everything truly ecumenical begins with Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ leads us to Jesus Christ's Church. The truly ecumenical statement of Christian Faith was stated in Constantinople, the First Council of Constantinople, and the Second Ecumenical Council after the First Ecumenical Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The second council was at Constantinople and was in 381 AD. This Creed that the Council wrote did not contain the words "AND THE SON" (FILIOQUE). And this is the Creed all truly ecumenical Christian will believe and want to, do all their best, to live by. It is a Creed for All Christians. In Erie PA Scott Harrington
 
jasoncran said:
he taught that on the end times when he went over the book or revalation.i have listened to him since at least 2008.

and you?
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I know he co-authored the "Left Behind" fictional series. I never read a page of those books. In fact, the only one of his books I have read is "Kingdom of the Cults". :thumbsup

I started listening to him about 5 years ago, but in the past year, I've got in the habit of listening to his radio show "Bible Answer Man" almost every day. I listen to the previous day's podcast when I can fit it in my day.
 
Tim LaHaye

I am tring to be good and you guys bring up the left behind books........How much is a person to endure??? :praying
 
hank hannegraf is whom you are talking about.lol

i meant david jeremaih.
 
reba said:
Tim LaHaye

I am tring to be good and you guys bring up the left behind books........How much is a person to endure??? :praying
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Very funny, Reba. The Left Behind books are nonbiblical and cultish (cultic, is that a word?) Cult-like. And money-making, very profitable, I gather. No dollar left behind, except the people who leave their dollars behind and send the money all to Jerry Jenkins and Tim LaHaye! In Erie PA Scott Harrington :praying
 
Sure ya do sure.... lol

It is really weird to read forums when the "other" guys are all on ignore :help
 
Scotth1960 said:
Very funny, Reba. The Left Behind books are nonbiblical and cultish (cultic, is that a word?) Cult-like. And money-making, very profitable, I gather. No dollar left behind, except the people who leave their dollars behind and send the money all to Jerry Jenkins and Tim LaHaye! In Erie PA Scott Harrington :praying
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cult,lol.

i have been in a cult, its true that some take that trib thing and go into tangents

but we never have these types either:
hypercalvinists
hyrperarianists(logically if calvinism has an extreme why not arianism)
full preteritst.

all must have a balence.
 
One of the few books i have read was Kingdom of cults. I have been reminded of who wrote it... Walter Martin
 
"Dear friend, Watchman Nee has a potential problem. There is controversy regarding his disciple, Witness Lee."

But I didn't mention "Witness lee" in my list.

Derek prince once said that his CRITICS didn't bother him at all, but what REALLY scared him - were his imitators.

Witness Lee had some problems, but that doesn't mean that Watchman did -

C.S. Lewis' main problem conceptually was that he leaned toward "Ultimate Reconciliationism".
 
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