TULIP - Irresistible Grace

[GodsGrace]

You been told, Im not explaining nothing to you.

I know BF.
Why explain with your own words?
Better to copy and paste your long posts from somewhere or other.

No matter.
Even the copy and pasted is INCORRECT.
TULIP is found nowhere in the NT.

Calvinism did not even exist until a few hundred years ago.

Were all the theologians that came before that wrong about what scripture teaches?

 

[donadams]

Grace reigns, thats what a Christian saved by Grace believes. Study what the word reign means biblically.

no one is saved until death
mk 13:13
matt 10:23
matt 24:13

 

[donadams]

Where in Jn 3:16 does it say you can choose to resist it ?

whosoever believes
and
whosoever refuses to believe

mk 16:16 faith and baptism
he who does not believe is already condemned

free will

D109. There is a supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul, which precedes the free act of the will.
D110. There is a supernatural influence of God in the faculties of the soul which coincides in time with man’s free act of will.
D111. For every salutary act internal supernatural grace of God (gratia elevans) is absolutely necessary.
D112. Internal supernatural grace is absolutely necessary for the beginning of faith and of salvation.
D122. The Human Will remains free under the influence of efficacious grace, which is not
irresistible.
D123. There is a grace which is truly sufficient and yet remains inefficacious (gratia vere et mere
sufficiens).

 

[brightfame52]

no one is saved until death
mk 13:13
matt 10:23
matt 24:13

Now you have really flipped the script ! What scripture says that ?

 

[brightfame52]

whosoever believes
and
whosoever refuses to believe

mk 16:16 faith and baptism
he who does not believe is already condemned

free will

D109. There is a supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul, which precedes the free act of the will.
D110. There is a supernatural influence of God in the faculties of the soul which coincides in time with man’s free act of will.
D111. For every salutary act internal supernatural grace of God (gratia elevans) is absolutely necessary.
D112. Internal supernatural grace is absolutely necessary for the beginning of faith and of salvation.
D122. The Human Will remains free under the influence of efficacious grace, which is not
irresistible.
D123. There is a grace which is truly sufficient and yet remains inefficacious (gratia vere et mere
sufficiens).

You just make up your own bible dont you

 

[donadams]

Now you have really flipped the script ! What scripture says that ?

the three i posted!

mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

matt 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

and many more!

Conditional perseverance:

((If you are saved there would no reason to participate, no reason to abide or endure, and no need for perseverance))

ex 20 keep the commandments
deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
ez 36:25-27 ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Mk 13:13 endure to the end
Matt 7:14 narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life
Matt 16:24 If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matt 24:13 endure to the end
Jn 15:4 abide in christ
Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing
Jn 15:10 keep my commandments
Rom 1:5 obedience
Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:
1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
2 thes 1:4 faith & patience
heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.
Gal 5:2-4 fallen
Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit
Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith
Col 2:5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:3 endure hardship
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth

1 John 2:6
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

But since your saved you don’t really have to. Right?

 

[donadams]

You just make up your own bible dont you

those D references are Dogma you do believe dogma?

 

[donadams]

Now you have really flipped the script ! What scripture says that ?

God has loving children not robots!

 

[donadams]

Now you have really flipped the script ! What scripture says that ?

did Mary freely consent to "our salvation"? Lk 1:38 or was She forced?

why praise a martyr for being faithful? if they had no choice? rev 2:13

 

[Walpole]

Here is what Calvin's God of irresistible grace looks like:

Versus here is how God actually works:

 

[donadams]

Here is what Calvin's God of irresistible grace looks like:

Versus here is how God actually works:

whats the T I don't see a thread on that one?
thks

 

[JLB]

 

[brightfame52]

the three i posted!

mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

matt 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

and many more!

Conditional perseverance:

((If you are saved there would no reason to participate, no reason to abide or endure, and no need for perseverance))

ex 20 keep the commandments
deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
ez 36:25-27 ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Mk 13:13 endure to the end
Matt 7:14 narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life
Matt 16:24 If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matt 24:13 endure to the end
Jn 15:4 abide in christ
Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing
Jn 15:10 keep my commandments
Rom 1:5 obedience
Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:
1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
2 thes 1:4 faith & patience
heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.
Gal 5:2-4 fallen
Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit
Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith
Col 2:5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:3 endure hardship
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth

1 John 2:6
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

But since your saved you don’t really have to. Right?

Why are you spamming Gods word ?

 

[brightfame52]

those D references are Dogma you do believe dogma?

You make the bible say whatever your imagination wants it to say

 

[brightfame52]

God has loving children not robots!

You still just saying anything

 

[brightfame52]

did Mary freely consent to "our salvation"? Lk 1:38 or was She forced?

why praise a martyr for being faithful? if they had no choice? rev 2:13

Again,just write your own bible, the don adams version

 

[GodsGrace]

Again,just write your own bible, the don adams version

Ditto.

 

[Walpole]

Again,just write your own bible, the don adams version

Please answer the question:

--> Did Mary freely consent or was she forced?

If Mary did not consent, wouldn't that make God a rapist?