Two witnesses

[for_his_glory]

You may want to reread it. John was told he must prophesy "again". I'm not sure what you point is about Elijah. God said He would send Elijah before the coming of the Lord.

Jerusalem Bible
Rev 10:11You are to prophesy again, this time about many different nations and countries and languages and emperors
KJV
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Both verse says the same thing as given in two different versions of the Bible.

Prophesy means to preach. This is what John was given to do as he wrote the book (prophecies given to him) of Revelations unveiling what was in God's timing to be revealed for all the world back in John's time as he sent these letters to the seven churches in Asia, which is present day Turkey, even until the end of days for all to read and understand.

It's the Latter-Day Saints that teach that the two witnesses are John and Elijah, but John died around AD 100 being around 93 years old and was buried in Ephesus in Turkey. I already gave that of Elijah of the OT. Malachi 4:5 is speaking about John the baptist as some called him Elias/Elijah. Read the cross reference for this in Matthew 11:1-15.

 

[ezrider]

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zechariah 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? 12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Who are the two witnesses that stand by the Lord of the whole earth?

The answer is Moses and Elijah. Look no further than the mount of transfiguration. Who is there standing by the Lord of the whole earth?


Matthew 17:1-3
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

I believe the two witnesses will be Elijah and the apostle John. Jesus told John that he would prophesy before kings.

Unless God raises Elijah and John from their graves these two are not the two witnesses. Elijah was only taken up to the first heaven being the atmosphere as God translated him to another place that no one knew where.

I think you misunderstand the nature of the coming of Elijah as did the disciples. They did not understand until Jesus had explained it to them that Elijah indeed had come, and then they understood that John the Baptist came in the Spirit of Elijah. But there is something interesting of note in the answer of Jesus.

Luke 1:17
And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Matthew 11:13-15
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Mark 9:11-13
And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come? And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.



Why does Jesus say that indeed Elijah shall come forth and restore all things, But then says I say to you that Elijah has already come? The Spirit of Elijah indeed came to prophecy and proclaim that the kingdom of God was at hand. So as John came in the Spirit and Power of Elijah, then when Revelation says to John that he must prophecy once again, is that related to Jesus saying that Elijah shall indeed come first and restore all things?


So the question we should ask ourselves is what does the spirit of Moses look like? And what does the spirit of Elijah look like? If we look at Moses and Elijah we see the representation of the law and the prophets. Now when people look at the law and the prophets and think of Moses or Elijah and then tend to see only the proclamation of the wrath of God in his condemnation for breaking his laws, then they really don't know the Spirit of Elijah or the Spirit of Moses; just as the scribes and the Pharisees knew not John as the prophet Elijah nor did they understand the words of Moses the Lawgiver in the Spirit that Jesus spoke them.

 

[for_his_glory]

Who are the two witnesses that stand by the Lord of the whole earth?

The answer is Moses and Elijah. Look no further than the mount of transfiguration. Who is there standing by the Lord of the whole earth?


Matthew 17:1-3
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.








I think you misunderstand the nature of the coming of Elijah as did the disciples. They did not understand until Jesus had explained it to them that Elijah indeed had come, and then they understood that John the Baptist came in the Spirit of Elijah. But there is something interesting of note in the answer of Jesus.

Luke 1:17
And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Matthew 11:13-15
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Mark 9:11-13
And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come? And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.



Why does Jesus say that indeed Elijah shall come forth and restore all things, But then says I say to you that Elijah has already come? The Spirit of Elijah indeed came to prophecy and proclaim that the kingdom of God was at hand. So as John came in the Spirit and Power of Elijah, then when Revelation says to John that he must prophecy once again, is that related to Jesus saying that Elijah shall indeed come first and restore all things?


So the question we should ask ourselves is what does the spirit of Moses look like? And what does the spirit of Elijah look like? If we look at Moses and Elijah we see the representation of the law and the prophets. Now when people look at the law and the prophets and think of Moses or Elijah and then tend to see only the proclamation of the wrath of God in his condemnation for breaking his laws, then they really don't know the Spirit of Elijah or the Spirit of Moses; just as the scribes and the Pharisees knew not John as the prophet Elijah nor did they understand the words of Moses the Lawgiver in the Spirit that Jesus spoke them.

The Spirit and power that was within Elijah and John the baptist as well as every Prophet, Apostle and even we who are in Christ is that of God's Holy Spirit as there is nothing we can do of ourselves apart from the Holy Spirit working in us and through us. It is that Spirit of God that all have come in as a witness and testimony of Gods power and authority.

 

[DiscipleDave]

There are no new revelations as they have been written.

Where is this written? That there are no new revelations? That God no longer reveals to His Children revelations? That the Holy Ghost no longer gives the Gift of Prophecy to anyone? If Scriptures does not teach these things then where does this NEW doctrine come from? Or can you show Scriptures that teach there are no new revelations for the children in the last days, or is that just something you personally believe?

There are no more Prophets and Apostles as what they have spoken has already been written.

i hear you saying there are no more Prophets, but Scriptures says otherwise do they not? Even the Apostle Paul plainly teaches where prophets are to be placed in the Church. Didn't the Holy Ghost fail to tell the Apostle Paul that there are no prophets, because the Apostle Paul sure thought there would be, and even gave instructions for the prophets that would come after him. Tell me, if it is not your personal belief, where in Scriptures does it say there are no more Prophets? i hear you saying that, but i have read the Scriptures front to back over 80 times in my life, and i have not read one time where it says there are no more prophets. So then be kind enough to share where in Scriptures does it give you the idea that there are no more Prophets?

Even Jesus never spoke anything that God did not give Him to speak as it is all written.

2,000 years ago Jesus spoke what He wanted people to hear 2,000 years ago. He now has Prophets to speak to those in the last days what His message is. "Seal up those things until the last day"

God is not going to give anyone anymore than what has been written.

again, this is NOT Scriptural but is what you personally believe to be True. Are you a prophet? Your statement above is speaking for God is it not? You are saying God is not going to do this or that, right? Does Scriptures teach He is not going to give anyone anymore than what has been written? Or are you now speaking for God like a Prophet would, saying and teaching things THAT ARE NOT WRITTEN?

There are no new prophecies or revelations as all have been written.

Are you not contradicting yourself. You teach that God does not give new revelations but give new revelations yourself, You said "God does not give anyone anymore than what has been written" Scriptures does NOT teach that, therefore how is that not a NEW REVELATION given by you?

Now it's up to us to take what has already been written out into the world as we teach that which God has already given.

Amen, it is up to every Christian, regardless of any Gift they may have from the Holy Ghost, to teach what is in the Word of God. And it is up to every Prophet of God to teach those things God has revealed to them to teach.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Please go back to post #9 as the two witnesses have always been the word of God (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit that confirms it. It is those men who are anointed in the end of days that have these two witnesses within them as they continue to take the Godpel out into the world.

All Christians who have Jesus in them and the Holy Ghost in them are even as you say above. The two witnesses are not normal Christians like all of us, who have Jesus in them and have the Holy Ghost in them. Also the two witnesses reside in Jerusalem and do NOT take the Gospel out into the world, that is the Job of Evangelists.

So you claim to be a prophet of private interpretation that God only gives to you that is not written in the Bible.............WOW!!!

Who told you this lie? Who are you listening to? i never said i am a prophet of private interpretation. Private interpretations are evil and are NOT to be done. When you read a verse, and YOU apply interpretation to that verse, it is YOUR private interpretation of that verse. Interpretations belong to God, NOT TO MEN, men should not interpret the Word of God at all, because when they do, it is, of a Truth, their own private interpretation.

Tell me if God spoke to you in conversation and told you "The antichrist will say on TV 'Where is you God now?' and this will cause a great falling away" If you then tell people what God told you, how is that YOUR private interpretation? IT'S NOT.

God told me the 144,000 chosen by God are 144,000 children. Is that my private interpretation or is that what God told me and it is NOT my interpretation at all, but what God told me. So if i repeat what God me, which He instructed me to do as well, how is that my private interpretation.

Private Interpretation = Any interpretation done privately through ones own self. When you read a verse, and you are trying to interpret what that verse means, that is YOUR OWN PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of that verse. Now if you are believing other people and what they say that verse means, then you are believing the PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of those people saying what they have interpreted that verse to mean.

Interpretation belong to God, NOT TO MEN.

That throws up a red flag to me

i agree, anyone who teaches their own interpretations of the Word of God, should be weary of. Statements like "There are no more prophets" is a private interpretation of the Word of God. That is NOT what the Word of God says or teaches, but is what men interpret Scriptures to say = private interpretation.

That throws up a red flag to me as no prophecy is of private interpretation as all has been written and now given to us to understand as the Holy Spirit in whom indwells us who are of faith in Christ teaches us all things of Gods spoken then written words, John 14:26.

Jesus when He came to the Earth 2,000 years ago, had one mission, to give us a means to be Saved through Him. Jesus told us things that were relevant for us to be SAVED. Is it not written that if they were to write all the things Jesus did, there would not be enough books in the world? Yes that is written. ARE all things Jesus did written? NO. Those things that were written are those things that are beneficial to us getting SAVED. Salvation issues is what Jesus wanted to be written down 2,000 years ago

Even Jesus never spoke anything above that which God did not give Him to speak nor does the Holy Spirit and nor should we as a faithful servant, John 12:49.

Jesus spoke many things to His Apostles given to Him by His Father in Heaven to speak, but Not everything He spoke to His Apostle were written down.

It is already written for all to understand as we search the scriptures comparing scripture with scripture and OT with NT and there is no private interpretations or any Prophets with a new message today. God is the same yesterday, today and forever

You say that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, but do you actually believe that? Did God choose prophets to speak for Him in the past? But you say He does not do that today, do you not? God spoke to people in conversations yesterday (past), but YOU say He does not do that today. Is God the same yesterday, today, and forever, or only in certain circumstances He is the same yesterday, today, and forever?

and His word stands the same as when He gave it to the Prophets and Apostles unto the end of time. I've already given in post #9 of who I believe the two witnesses are in Rev 11.

A perfect example of private interpretation. YOU interpret Scriptures to mean the two prophets that are going to appear in the last days are 1) Jesus and 2) the Holy Ghost. How is that NOT your interpretation, your private interpretation? Scriptures does not say the two prophets that will appear in the last days are Jesus and the Holy Ghost, YOU interpret Scriptures to mean those things do you not? Therefore they ARE your private interpretation of who the two witnesses are.

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Knowing this first that no prophecy of the Scripture is from a person own interpretations, For prophecy came not by the will of men in the past, but Holy men of God spoke what the Spirit of Truth (Holy Ghost) TOLD THEM.

Anyone who prophesies things from their own interpretation is not Right with God.

A man reads a verse, and he goes about to interpret what the meaning of that verse is. = Private interpretation.
God tells a holy man what a verse actually means = NOT a private interpretation.

Read the verse, understand what it actually is saying, how is it that this generation tries to interpret the very verse that says and plainly teaches "Don't do that" Interpretation belong to God, NOT TO MEN.
God reveals to whom He reveals His interpretations. Scriptures plainly teaches that God reveals His secrets to His prophets. If all prophecies are already revealed in Scriptures, then how are His secrets revealed, when they are not secrets.

Dan_12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Who do you think are going to reveal that which is sealed? Prophets of God in the last days.

Rev_10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Who do you think are going to reveal that which is sealed? Prophets of God in the last days.

Again, i can't exhort it enough. Interpretations belong to God NOT TO MEN. Those who seek to interpret the Word of god through their own intellect, their own studies, their own mind, are they that start false doctrines, teaching their own private interpretations of the Word of God, as if man has the authority to do so.

What i teach is what God told me in conversation, what i teach is NOT from any interpretation that i have done, nor does what i teach come from me at all, but i merely repeat what God has told me audibly. If then what i teach is contrary to Scriptures then mark me as a false prophet, but if what i teach is not contrary to Scriptures, then would it not behoove you to hearken unto what God has told me? But not this generation, no. What i teach is contrary to what this generation believes, (NOT contrary to the Word of God though) but contrary to what this generation believes is enough to call me false. Woe to this generation who does not realize you try the spirits via the Word of God, Bu instead this gneration tries the spirits by their own beliefs.

What i teach is not contrary to any Scripture, yet i am deemed false, Why? Because even though what i teach is not contrary to the Word of God in any way whatsoever, it is contrary to what this generation holds as truth, and therefore i must be false because what i teach is contrary to their own private interpretations of the Word of God. Sad really. Try the spirits by the Word of God, DO NOT try the spirits based on your own beliefs.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[for_his_glory]

I speak of revelations as those things the prophets of the OT wrote of not only in their day, but also prophetic in the latter days. Jesus gave us many specificates within the NT of these prophecies as the events unfold before us. Jesus gave John these visions in the book of Revelation that spans all the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation. It's up to us to seek understanding from the Holy Spirit that teaches us all that God wants revealed to us.

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Jesus has already spoken everything God has given Him to speak as the Apostles were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write the teachings of Christ.

A prophet set in the church is one who receives words of wisdom from God to either share with the whole congregation or to and individual. They speak with authority and words God gives them for present exhortation or warning on future predictions like that of Agabus in Acts 11:27, 28; 20:10-11.

There is a difference between canonical prophesy like that of the OT prophets who prophetsised of end of days events and the prophets set in the church that help guide believers in preparing for these future events.

The two witnesses receive their power from God to witness 1260 days during the time of that the son of perdition/false prophet/last antichrist takes his throne in Jerusalem. When you study Zechariah chapter 4 and 1 John 5:6-9 you will understand that the two witnesses of God has always been His word come in the flesh of Jesus who walked among men teaching them what God gave Him to speak and the Holy Spirit. Those who are anointed to preach in the streets, not only Jerusalem but in every nation, are those who are in Christ and have the word of God and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as they receive a greater anointing to preach at this time.

The two olive trees are to groups of people. One group being natural Israel (Old Testament) as a remnant according to the election of grace have been saved as in the 144,000 taken from the twelve tribes of Israel that remained faithful to God up to a thousand generations thereafter that remain faithful, 1 Chronicles 16:13-17. The other being Gentiles (New Testament) grafted into the branch by that same grace of God that have been washed in the blood of the Lamb and sealed by His Holy Spirit, John 3:3-7; Romans 10:9, 10; 2 Corinthians 1:22; Romans Chapter 11. The two witnesses have always been those who of faith have stood by God and His law in the Old Testament and those of faith who stand by God and Jesus under the dispensation of grace in the New Testament.