Unconditional Election

[Randy]

Who are the humble?
1 Corinthians 4:7 For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?

Is Joe Blow humble? And what does Joe Blow have that he did not receive?
So God is going to give Joe Blow humility and then reward him for that?
Sounds like predestination to me.

Whoever they are in Gods eyes He shows them grace. Nothing was stated about God giving them humility.
Is it also your belief apart from God it's impossible to be humble?



The world is full of the poor and have nots. Scripture states God lifts them up but resists the proud.

 

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s it also your belief apart from God it's impossible to be humble?

Depends upon what you mean by humble.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

A person can be a very humble, easy going person with his neighbors, but he will not be humble when it comes to the things of the Spirit of God.

 

[Randy]

Depends upon what you mean by humble.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

A person can be a very humble, easy going person with his neighbors, but he will not be humble when it comes to the things of the Spirit of God.

Satan does not have control of our wills. He appealed to Eve's desires. He attacked the meaning of Gods command to her. Lies and deceit. Eve was held responsible for the choice she made. We have free will.

God grants repentance. To who and why is debatable. We have free will.

 

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Satan does not have control of our wills.

Are you sure of that?
2 Timothy 2:24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

The word "captive" there is used only one more time in the NT.
It means = to take alive (make a prisoner of war), that is, (figuratively) to capture or ensnare: - take captive, catch.
The other passage is:
Luke 5:10 and so also were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon. And Jesus said to Simon, "Do not be afraid. From now on you will catch men."

Sounds like unbelievers are taken captive by the devil to do his will. Not much free will.
And notice God perhaps will grant somebody repentance.

 

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Are you sure of that?
2 Timothy 2:24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

The word "captive" there is used only one more time in the NT.
It means = to take alive (make a prisoner of war), that is, (figuratively) to capture or ensnare: - take captive, catch.
The other passage is:
Luke 5:10 and so also were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon. And Jesus said to Simon, "Do not be afraid. From now on you will catch men."

Sounds like unbelievers are taken captive by the devil to do his will. Not much free will.
And notice God perhaps will grant somebody repentance.

Jesus calls them children of the devil.

John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

 

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Free will according to Paul.

Ephesians 2:1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

Titus 3:3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.

Ephesians 4:18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart;

Romans 8:8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Seems that if you are not born again (spiritual) you cannot be humble enough to please God.

 

[Randy]

Are you sure of that?
2 Timothy 2:24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

The word "captive" there is used only one more time in the NT.
It means = to take alive (make a prisoner of war), that is, (figuratively) to capture or ensnare: - take captive, catch.
The other passage is:
Luke 5:10 and so also were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon. And Jesus said to Simon, "Do not be afraid. From now on you will catch men."

Sounds like unbelievers are taken captive by the devil to do his will. Not much free will.
And notice God perhaps will grant somebody repentance.

Yes otherwise he would have no need to trick, lie and deceive. Many people in this world are not evil.
There are people in this world totally given over to evil but not all. God gives grace to the humble but resists the proud. A distinction made on dispensing grace.

Jesus stated if the works he performed were performed in Sodom they would have remained to that day. We know they were highly sexually immoral.

 

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es otherwise he would have no need to trick, lie and deceive. Many people in this world are not evil.

It is only evil people that can be tricked and deceived. The devil tried it with Jesus and it didn't work.
The Sermon on the Mount
Matthew 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him
Matthew 7:11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!

Jesus said this to the common people who came to hear Him.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.
Psalm 143:2 Do not enter into judgment with Your servant, For in Your sight no one living is righteous.

Evil simply means falling short of perfection.