Growth Understanding Baptism ?

[reba]

It does not say to be Baptized here does it ?
Eph. 2:

7
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

those verses say nothing about baptism

And you think getting Baptized is not of works????????????????

I just asked for Scripture that says not to be baptized .. so far i have not read one...

 

[ezra]

I just asked for Scripture that says not to be baptized .. so far i have not read one...

that because there is None trying get grams or any one else to post such a scripture is a waste of time.. i am begining to have deep reservations on grams post which books of the Bible are for us and not for us. if her pastor teaches this i have concerns for him to

 

[reba]

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

What part of Jesus is not for now?

 

[Douglas Summers]

No, you can receive the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands or the Holy Spirit can come upon you without the laying on of hands.


What I have said, and am saying again is receiving the Holy Spirit comes with a manifestation that those around you can see and hear, as demonstrated in all the scriptures I posted.



JLB

I never disputed that. My observation was that Scriptures, after the Gentile Cornelius and family believed and put their lives in Christ, that the Holy Spirit came upon all believers at regeneration. I do not know what was different with the disciples of John the Baptist, but is was significant enough that it is in Scripture. Manifestation of the Spirit is more than just a witness of regeneration. It' also manifest it self through the gifts given. It is not us given the power to use, but the Spirit (himself) working through us to manifest itself. Nothing is left to self will or chance, it is all God's power and work through us. The point, in order for the Spirit to manifest itself in us, we have to be an obedient and willing vessel , not grieving or hindering the Spirit in us. We should not be prideful of having the Spirit, but instead, joyful. While they may feel similar, they are very much opposite of each other.

 

[eddif]

Now we are right in the middle of the progressive revelation of the aspects of baptism.

Acts 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

At this point we might think he has the Holy Spirit.

Acts 18:26
And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

This man had experienced both sides of the issue - over time.

I suggest we go slow right along now. This is pretty complicated. We have a man greatly preaching Jesus with the baptism of John. John died before Pentecost and he preached about Jesus, and this man is doing a similar thing, but is being moved to a higher understanding.

This was a change period from Law, to John's baptism of Repentance (with a Jesus addend), the kingdom gospel message, the day of Pentecost with signs. We have people going other places with what they had observed and not even hearing about Pentecost. It is taking a period of time for everyone to hear everything. In the meantime the Apostles set about getting everyone up to speed (excuse my modern language). If you do not watch out you form all sorts of strange doctrine.

I realize I see through a glass darkly, and I have the whole story. Today we have folks teaching what they have been taught and not what scripture says. And. It is tough to get all of it together. The Gentiles were warned about the demons that mumbled and chirped (sounded like tongues to some) and today some think Gods spiritual gift is dangerous. God does not give a serpent to those seeking a fish (comparison to men).

Hang in there.
eddif

 

[eddif]

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Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

What part of Jesus is not for now?

Everything is for now. Glory reba.

John 1:14 KJV
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

For a long time the word hid the reality of Jesus Christ the Son.

Hebrews 1:1 KJV
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by hisSon, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;l

Luke 24:25 KJV
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

I was looking for a more peaceful explanation of the concept in the last verses

eddif

 

[eddif]

that because there is None trying get grams or any one else to post such a scripture is a waste of time.. i am begining to have deep reservations on grams post which books of the Bible are for us and not for us. if her pastor teaches this i have concerns for him to

Matthew 13:29 KJV
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

eddif

 

[ezra]

Matthew 13:29 KJV
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

eddif

that says nothing about not being baptized ...

 

[grams]

Sorry reba,

Your not paying attention to the bible........... Who is talking and to Whom............?

There was a time past !!!!!!!! But Now !!!!!!!! And Ages to come !!!!!!!
Things do change !

We are now all Gentiles - EVERONE - " THAT BELIEVES"

GOD sent JESUS to the Cross ! ( why for whom? )

And what did this do for us ???????????????? SO VERY MUCH !

 

[JLB]

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Everything is for now. Glory reba.

John 1:14 KJV
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

For a long time the word hid the reality of Jesus Christ the Son.

Hebrews 1:1 KJV
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by hisSon, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;l

Luke 24:25 KJV
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

I was looking for a more peaceful explanation of the concept in the last verses

eddif

“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
Zechariah 12:10


10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11




JLB

 

[JLB]

Sorry reba,

Your not paying attention to the bible........... Who is talking and to Whom............?

There was a time past !!!!!!!! But Now !!!!!!!! And Ages to come !!!!!!!
Things do change !

We are now all Gentiles - EVERONE - " THAT BELIEVES"

GOD sent JESUS to the Cross ! ( why for whom? )

And what did this do for us ???????????????? SO VERY MUCH !

For the Jew first, then for the Gentile.


For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16



JLB

 

[grams]

Romans7:

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8


But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

 

[JLB]

Romans7:

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8


But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Paul is recounting his life before Christ, to those of his countryman, Jews who could relate to his condition.


Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law),that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
Romans 7:1


JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

And you think getting Baptized is not of works????????????????

What does 'not of works' mean to you?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Romans7:

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8


But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Is this a response to Reba's question?

 

[grams]

So many of you , do not understand
Who is talking and to whom ?
There is a time PAST - BUT NOW - Ages to come...........

THE WHOLE BIBLE IS FOR US !!!!!!!!! BUT NOT TO US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


We have it all upon belief .......

Jesus , suffered so much for us and we are trying to do it ? Why ?
HE all ready did it for us ...... Every one thinks the cross was for what ????????????

God changed things for us ! HE knows what kind of sinners we will be ! He gave us a choice to believe
or do works which He took away at this time.........

eph.2:
7

That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.


8

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


9

Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Romans 5:

1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.


13
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.


15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

 

[reba]

Sorry reba,

Your not paying attention to the bible........... Who is talking and to Whom............?

There was a time past !!!!!!!! But Now !!!!!!!! And Ages to come !!!!!!!
Things do change !

We are now all Gentiles - EVERONE - " THAT BELIEVES"

GOD sent JESUS to the Cross ! ( why for whom? )

And what did this do for us ???????????????? SO VERY MUCH !

As was said there is not a verse that says do not baptize .. We sure can read verse that say to be baptized.. ..
Mal_3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

 

[grams]

reba,

Pay attention....... Those verses are not for us ..............!

We are under Grace now ! Gentiles ! No more works........... Take a better look at your bible ! PLEASE...........

 

[grams]

The books of the bible are :\

Time PAST----------------- Geneses -----------Acts

BUT NOW ------------------Romans ------------Philemon

Ages to COME---------------- Hebrews --------------------Revelation

IT TAKES A LITTLE READING TO UNDERSTAD THAT

PRAYING ONE DAY YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS !

 

[reba]

Because on person does not agree with another does not imply one is not well read in the Scriptures.
We are welcome to have and share different views... so lang as they fall into the realm of Christianity..