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Growth Understanding Baptism ?

hmm i hope your back aint sore from me jumping on it...

I was saying:
It ain't sore yet. Get with the program and be more specific.

I enjoy your posts. Your back is probably the one that is sore. I intend to keep on seeking a few things.
Matthew 10:27
What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

I climb up on the rooftops and start speaking.
What I often hear: eddif get down off that housetop - you know you do not know what you are talking about.

We are doing ok. On the day of the final trump the flesh will be changed.

eddif
 
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

If we can wipe a whole bunch of church traditions from our minds, just as Jesus spoke to the Jewish leaders about their traditions:
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Jewish folks had some bad traditions
Gentile church folks have had 2000 years to develop some bad traditions too

Great word!

Since you brought it up, can we discuss this scripture you posted, concerning being saved.

Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I recently had a discussion with another person about this very thing.

Most folks believe this is what Peter is saying...

...we are saved by Jesus Christ when we repent of our sins and accept Him as our Savior.

The bible doesn't say "repent of your sins" in reference to being saved, it says repent.

Repent is the call to turn away from Satan and be translated into the kingdom of God, in which we will receive the Holy Spirit.

How can a person repent of their sins, if they don't have the Holy Spirit?

Big difference.

It is this act of obeying the Gospel, that cause's us to be "disconnected" from Satan, and be "joined to the Lord", in reconciliation.

If a person needs to repent, then by default there belong to Satan and he is their Lord.

That's why is says confessing the Lord Jesus is unto salvation.

Repent is the call to come out of Satan's kingdom of darkness.

He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:13

The way we are forgiven of our sins is by repenting, turning away from Satan as our lord, and confessing Jesus as Lord.

I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:17-18

...[so] that they may receive the forgiveness of sins.

We are not saved by repenting of our sins, which we can't do anyway, without the Holy Spirit and the new nature, we are reconciled to God by being joined to the Lord, when we repent, turn to Jesus and confess Him as Lord.

Understanding this message of the kingdom, is how we become fruitful.

But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”


Baptism in water is the open declaration of this vital truth.

That we have died to this world and are united to Him in the likeness of His death, as well as His resurrection.




JLB
 
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We might ought to ask grams. I welcome her one minute and mess with her head the next.

Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

We are a bit bi-polar. Jesus was the Son of God, but came as a man and thus understands our nature.

For me to think I live in a glorified body would be way wrong. My wife will tell you in a heartbeat a full list of my human type actions. Not dominated by sin, but still prone toward sin.

eddif
 
I was saying:
It ain't sore yet. Get with the program and be more specific.

I enjoy your posts. Your back is probably the one that is sore. I intend to keep on seeking a few things.
Matthew 10:27
What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

I climb up on the rooftops and start speaking.
What I often hear: eddif get down off that housetop - you know you do not know what you are talking about.

We are doing ok. On the day of the final trump the flesh will be changed.

eddif
it really does not matter to me . if you think a christian shouldn't baptized . personally i believe in baptism following salvation . i also believe in communion and foot washing.. johns baptism was eternal Christ baptism is eternal . so if you dont think baptism is a must so be it. that specific enough?
 
[[[[[[[[[grams said:
Hoping you will read this and that it helps to understand...
If you feel like watching a video that is also available
At the end of the page , you can find other things to look at...............

http://www.av-1611.com/13Baptis.htm
Click to expand...
I read the article. The article agrees on multiple points with posters here. I wil always rather hear from grams and the bible. ]]]]]]]]

Thank you very much.......... I do try ............But at times I say one thing and mean some thing else........
But I do really try. My age is showing off........ Sorry some of the time......

I do believe my bible " KJB" and try to rightly divide........ Belong to Grace Bible............
 
Sorry ! Very - Very It would not post then I tried again , and again and again and it would not do any thing..
all of a sudden I though I will just leave the forum and come back and then it worked......... all at one time....
Sorry ............................. :shock:shock:shock


All the 'double talk' is removed... :) reba & AirDancer
 
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Great word!

Since you brought it up, can we discuss this scripture you posted, concerning being saved.

Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I recently had a discussion with another person about this very thing.

Most folks believe this is what Peter is saying...

...we are saved by Jesus Christ when we repent of our sins and accept Him as our Savior.

The bible doesn't say "repent of your sins" in reference to being saved, it says repent.

Repent is the call to turn away from Satan and be translated into the kingdom of God, in which we will receive the Holy Spirit.

How can a person repent of their sins, if they don't have the Holy Spirit?

Big difference.

It is this act of obeying the Gospel, that cause's us to be "disconnected" from Satan, and be "joined to the Lord", in reconciliation.

If a person needs to repent, then by default there belong to Satan and he is their Lord.

That's why is says confessing the Lord Jesus is unto salvation.

Repent is the call to come out of Satan's kingdom of darkness.

He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:13

The way we are forgiven of our sins is by repenting, turning away from Satan as our lord, and confessing Jesus as Lord.

I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:17-18

...[so] that they may receive the forgiveness of sins.

We are not saved by repenting of our sins, which we can't do anyway, without the Holy Spirit and the new nature, we are reconciled to God by being joined to the Lord, when we repent, turn to Jesus and confess Him as Lord.

Understanding this message of the kingdom, is how we become fruitful.

But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”


Baptism in water is the open declaration of this vital truth.

That we have died to this world and are united to Him in the likeness of His death, as well as His resurrection.




JLB


To continue -

It is obeying this command of the Gospel to repent, turn away from the kingdom of darkness and it's lord, by turning to Jesus Christ by confessing Him as Lord, that grants us the forgiveness of sins.

An unsaved person does not have the capacity to repent of their sins.

This is a false message.

What we are saying to the unsaved person when we say you must repent of your sins to be saved is; first you must be "good enough" to qualify for forgiveness.

An unsaved person doesn't have a nature that can turn away from sins, their nature is a slave to sin... to do what I will not to do.


By repenting we are forgiven of our sins.


JLB
 
This is from our church Pastor Tom Bruscha

BAPTISM #5

"BAPTISM INTO CHRIST"

The fifth (5th) and final BAPTISM we shall look at is a baptism which is taught exclusively by the Apostle Paul in his epistles. It is the fact that the Apostle Paul mentions water baptism only one time in all of his epistles. This one time is found in I Corinthians 1:13-17. As water baptism continued into the New Gentile age, it brought confusion and division (just as it is doing in the churches today). Paul's solution was simple: stop water baptizing! But how could he decide to stop? Didn't Jesus Christ command him to baptize? No! After Paul thanked God and he didn't baptize more than he did, he states in verse 17:

"FOR CHRIST SENT ME NOT TO BAPTIZE BUT TO PREACH THE GOSPEL: NOT WITH WISDOM OF WORDS, LEST THE CROSS OF CHRIST SHOULD BE MADE OF NONE EFFECT."

Paul was the Apostle of a new age of God's grace. His message and ministry to the Gentiles was distinctly different from the message and ministry of the Twelve Apostles to Israel. Water baptism belonged to the message God had for the nation of Israel. However, there is a baptism taught by the Apostle that is for this age. Be careful to notice it is not water baptism. Paul writes in I Corinthians 12:13.

"FOR BY ONE SPIRIT ARE ALL BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY, WHETHER WE BE JEWS OR GENTILES, WHETHER WE BE BOND OR FREE; AND HAVE BEEN ALL MADE TO DRINK INTO ONE SPIRIT."

The baptism that the Apostle Paul taught was a baptism into Christ. This baptism is the placing of the Believer (today) into the Body of Christ. It is important for you to realize that in I Corinthians 12:13 (just quoted), the baptizer is not a minister but God the Holy Spirit. From this verse, we can also see that the Holy Spirit does not place the believer into water but into Christ! Here again, we need to remember to believe what the Bible say, and not what men say the Bible means.

This "Baptism I into Christ" is the baptism that identifies the Believer with the saving work of the Cross. Romans 6:3-5 teaches this baptism so clearly. The moment I trusted in Jesus Christ as my Savior, the Holy Spirit of God placed me into Christ's death (the cross where my sins were paid for) and into His burial (the payment is complete) and into Christ's resurrection (where I now have a new life in Christ). Since this "baptism" is the work of the Holy Spirit, some have properly termed this "Spiritual Baptism." Without a doubt it is this baptism that Paul teaches throughout his epistles as seen in Romans 6:3-5, I Corinthians 12:13, Galatians 3:27, Ephesians 4:5, and Colossians 2:10-13.

Our baptism into Christ is the basis for our forgiveness of sins. This is the real baptism that supersedes any ritual baptism previously taught. It is the reality of all that God has accomplished in my behalf through Jesus Christ!

To protect the truth of this baptism, God instructs us in Ephesians 4:1-6 to:

"KEEP (GUARD) THE UNITY OF THE SPIRIT..."

We guard this unity by holding to, and defending His sevenfold unity:

"THERE IS ONE BODY, AND ONE SPIRIT, EVEN AS YE ARE CALLED IN ONE HOPE OF YOUR CALLING; ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD, AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS ABOVE ALL, AND THROUGH ALL, AND IN YOU ALL."

According to this verse, there is only one (1) baptism today for the Believer which we are to hold and guard. This baptism is not water baptism. It is the BAPTISM BY THE SPIRIT INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST. It is the work of the Holy Spirit Himself which has created a spiritual unity all of the Believers today, in Christ. Anyone who is still water baptizing is causing confusion and division by practicing a baptism which we have not been told to continue doing in the church epistles; and by believing in at least two baptisms for today, when the Scriptures tell us to keep the unity of the Spirit by holding to His one baptism.

Putting it all together, this is what we see. John the Baptist offered the nation of Israel forgiveness of their sins through water baptism. Those of the nation who received the baptism with the Holy Kingdom and will be raised to go into the Kingdom which was promised to them and was being proclaimed by Jesus Christ in His earthly ministry. But the baptism of fire did not come as John said it would. The judgement of the baptism of fire has been postponed along with the offer of the Kingdom promised to Israel. In the meantime, God has raised up the Apostle Paul with a message of grace which goes out today to both the rejecting Jew and to Gentiles concerning an equal opportunity they have been given (through Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection) to be saved, justified, and forgiven. Upon believing this message, God the Holy Spirit is baptizing these Believers into the Body of Christ. And "IN CHRIST" we have life, and hope, and an inheritance.

Israel was offered life, and hope, and inheritance according to the promises of God in the Old Testament. But we who are saved today were never promised these things. Yet they have been given to us by GRACE
 
This is from our church Pastor Tom Bruscha

BAPTISM #5

"BAPTISM INTO CHRIST"

The fifth (5th) and final BAPTISM we shall look at is a baptism which is taught exclusively by the Apostle Paul in his epistles. It is the fact that the Apostle Paul mentions water baptism only one time in all of his epistles. This one time is found in I Corinthians 1:13-17. As water baptism continued into the New Gentile age, it brought confusion and division (just as it is doing in the churches today). Paul's solution was simple: stop water baptizing! But how could he decide to stop? Didn't Jesus Christ command him to baptize? No! After Paul thanked God and he didn't baptize more than he did, he states in verse 17:

"FOR CHRIST SENT ME NOT TO BAPTIZE BUT TO PREACH THE GOSPEL: NOT WITH WISDOM OF WORDS, LEST THE CROSS OF CHRIST SHOULD BE MADE OF NONE EFFECT."

Paul was the Apostle of a new age of God's grace. His message and ministry to the Gentiles was distinctly different from the message and ministry of the Twelve Apostles to Israel. Water baptism belonged to the message God had for the nation of Israel. However, there is a baptism taught by the Apostle that is for this age. Be careful to notice it is not water baptism. Paul writes in I Corinthians 12:13.

"FOR BY ONE SPIRIT ARE ALL BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY, WHETHER WE BE JEWS OR GENTILES, WHETHER WE BE BOND OR FREE; AND HAVE BEEN ALL MADE TO DRINK INTO ONE SPIRIT."

The baptism that the Apostle Paul taught was a baptism into Christ. This baptism is the placing of the Believer (today) into the Body of Christ. It is important for you to realize that in I Corinthians 12:13 (just quoted), the baptizer is not a minister but God the Holy Spirit. From this verse, we can also see that the Holy Spirit does not place the believer into water but into Christ! Here again, we need to remember to believe what the Bible say, and not what men say the Bible means.

This "Baptism I into Christ" is the baptism that identifies the Believer with the saving work of the Cross. Romans 6:3-5 teaches this baptism so clearly. The moment I trusted in Jesus Christ as my Savior, the Holy Spirit of God placed me into Christ's death (the cross where my sins were paid for) and into His burial (the payment is complete) and into Christ's resurrection (where I now have a new life in Christ). Since this "baptism" is the work of the Holy Spirit, some have properly termed this "Spiritual Baptism." Without a doubt it is this baptism that Paul teaches throughout his epistles as seen in Romans 6:3-5, I Corinthians 12:13, Galatians 3:27, Ephesians 4:5, and Colossians 2:10-13.

Our baptism into Christ is the basis for our forgiveness of sins. This is the real baptism that supersedes any ritual baptism previously taught. It is the reality of all that God has accomplished in my behalf through Jesus Christ!

To protect the truth of this baptism, God instructs us in Ephesians 4:1-6 to:

"KEEP (GUARD) THE UNITY OF THE SPIRIT..."

We guard this unity by holding to, and defending His sevenfold unity:

"THERE IS ONE BODY, AND ONE SPIRIT, EVEN AS YE ARE CALLED IN ONE HOPE OF YOUR CALLING; ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD, AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS ABOVE ALL, AND THROUGH ALL, AND IN YOU ALL."

According to this verse, there is only one (1) baptism today for the Believer which we are to hold and guard. This baptism is not water baptism. It is the BAPTISM BY THE SPIRIT INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST. It is the work of the Holy Spirit Himself which has created a spiritual unity all of the Believers today, in Christ. Anyone who is still water baptizing is causing confusion and division by practicing a baptism which we have not been told to continue doing in the church epistles; and by believing in at least two baptisms for today, when the Scriptures tell us to keep the unity of the Spirit by holding to His one baptism.

Putting it all together, this is what we see. John the Baptist offered the nation of Israel forgiveness of their sins through water baptism. Those of the nation who received the baptism with the Holy Kingdom and will be raised to go into the Kingdom which was promised to them and was being proclaimed by Jesus Christ in His earthly ministry. But the baptism of fire did not come as John said it would. The judgement of the baptism of fire has been postponed along with the offer of the Kingdom promised to Israel. In the meantime, God has raised up the Apostle Paul with a message of grace which goes out today to both the rejecting Jew and to Gentiles concerning an equal opportunity they have been given (through Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection) to be saved, justified, and forgiven. Upon believing this message, God the Holy Spirit is baptizing these Believers into the Body of Christ. And "IN CHRIST" we have life, and hope, and an inheritance.

Israel was offered life, and hope, and inheritance according to the promises of God in the Old Testament. But we who are saved today were never promised these things. Yet they have been given to us by GRACE

I agree that when we repent and believe, it is the Spirit that Baptizes us into Christ.

Acts 19 shows this work of the Spirit the best.

However, there are three Baptism's, and all are for the New Testament believer.

I do agree that in the context of the unity of the body of Christ, that is to say, that we all drink of the same Spirit, the is One Baptism that causes this unity of the Spirit, which is when the Spirit Baptizes us into Christ.

I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, 2 with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, 3 endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:1-6

There is One Baptism that baptizes us into one Body.

This is not saying there is only one baptism, but there is One Baptism that baptizes us into one Body.



Maybe you could clarify for us these two seemingly contradictory statements -

BAPTISM #5
and

Anyone who is still water baptizing is causing confusion and division by practicing a baptism which we have not been told to continue doing in the church epistles; and by believing in at least two baptisms for today, when the Scriptures tell us to keep the unity of the Spirit by holding to His one baptism.


How is it your Pastor has " 5 Baptism's" in his teaching here, but says there is only one.


Here are some scriptures that teach more than one Baptism.

Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. Hebrews 6:1-3

and


44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
Acts 10:44-48

These Gentile believers were water Baptized after they had been Baptized into the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.


19 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
4 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. Acts 19:1-5

Here in Acts 19, all three Baptisms are described.




JLB

 
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BAPTISM #5
and

Anyone who is still water baptizing is causing confusion and division by practicing a baptism which we have not been told to continue doing in the church epistles; and by believing in at least two baptisms for today, when the Scriptures tell us to keep the unity of the Spirit by holding to His one baptism.
so where is scripture does it say not to be baptized ?
 
so where is scripture does it say not to be baptized ?

No such scripture!

I guess some would rather listen to their Pastor explain away the truth of the bible, then read for themselves what the scripture say. :shrug


JLB
 
Col. 2:
If you really read deep into this you will understand ! If you read the bible enough , this should hit you
smacke in the brain , with the though , " why did I not see this "

Knowing and Understanding. There is a time Past ! But Now ! and Ages to come.......

Things will be different and you need to know this....................................!!!!!!!!!!!!

I SURE DO PRAY THIS WILL OPEN SOME EYE'S TO THE TRUTH.......... AND TO UNDERSTAND.......
8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19
And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

20
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
 
18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19
And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Trust me, my water baptism was none of these. :lol

You're making water baptism a sin. Jesus certainly did not have that opinion of it since he commanded that all the nations of the earth be baptized:

"19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19 NASB)

15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.16“He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned." (Mark 16:15-16 NASB)
(Why didn't he just say "he who has believed shall be saved"?)
 
Col. 2:
If you really read deep into this you will understand ! If you read the bible enough , this should hit you
smacke in the brain , with the though , " why did I not see this "

Knowing and Understanding. There is a time Past ! But Now ! and Ages to come.......

Things will be different and you need to know this....................................!!!!!!!!!!!!

I SURE DO PRAY THIS WILL OPEN SOME EYE'S TO THE TRUTH.......... AND TO UNDERSTAND.......
8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19
And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

20
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
none of these scriptures says NOT TO BAPTIZE i can show you where jesus left us a example of footwashing . i can show you scriptures that instructs to baptize . i am waiting on your scripture that says not to baptize
 
Trust me, my water baptism was none of these. :lol

You're making water baptism a sin. Jesus certainly did not have that opinion of it since he commanded that all the nations of the earth be baptized:

"19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19 NASB)

15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.16“He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned." (Mark 16:15-16 NASB)
(Why didn't he just say "he who has believed shall be saved"?)
We are somewhat of agreement with the above statement.
 
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