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Growth Understanding Baptism ?

Getting Baptized is the equivalent of "drinking the Christian's kool-aid".

Where we don't make you shave your head or charge your name.... But we believe that it gives you the right to handle scripture and have the opportunity to be involved in the" priesthood of every believer" where you can bring your own sins to God for forgiveness and your requests and praise....iow have a relationship on a personal level.
 
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I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

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Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

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And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

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For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

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For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
 
Again , you need to rightly divide the word of God.

And know that we follow Paul and are Gentiles now.........!
 
I suppose we could ask why should flags be hung half -mast when someone dies.Its a symbolic sign of respect and adherence. I read this same respect into what Peter is saying "... In the days of Noah while the ark was being built.In it only a few people eight in all were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also- not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God.It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ...with angels authorities and and powers in submission to him." (1 Peter 3:20-22) I am certainly not going to argue with "Da Rock" Mt 16:18 Edit. Sorry I see Peter is already referred to above Oh well no harm in driving this verse home lest I forget.
 
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Tony Hyman said:
I suppose we could ask why should flags be hung half -mast when someone dies.Its a symbolic sign of respect and adherence. I read this same respect into what Peter is saying "... In the days of Noah while the ark was being built.In it only a few people eight in all were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also- not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God.It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ...with angels authorities and and powers in submission to him." (1 Peter 3:20-22) I am certainly not going to argue with "Da Rock" Mt 16:18 Edit. Sorry I see Peter is already referred to above Oh well no harm in driving this verse home lest I forget.
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If it was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for me.
 
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This thread has some good points.
grams I am so glad you jumped into our world.

We are just rushing so much some questions and comments are getting slighted.

I am working on our clothes washer - so - the cares of this world are keeping me from bring very fruitful (the washer may make it. - if not I will be posting from the corn crib).

Hands do not think like ears, but both should recognize the other as part of the body. When I get the washer working and back into the house may I ( with permission) back up a bit, and make some comments? I realize I go from symbolism to reality so bad you need a map.

Down to the final spin cycle.

eddif
 
grams said:
Again , you need to rightly divide the word of God.

And know that we follow Paul and are Gentiles now.........!
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I Corinthians 9:20 KJV
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

Ephesians 2:14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandmentscontained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, somaking peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

I reckon I am grafted into the root. My total understanding of the branch is not totally clear yet (there are a bunch o scriptures to work through). I follow Christ (seeing how Paul is such a wretched man LOL).
grams. A nurse from Louisiana in a Burger King parking lot (sticker on her car) walked up to me told me I was called to associate with Jews and then she fled. I got here not knowing the Jewish influence, and they may wish I would go away.

eddif
 
grams said:
Sorry you just do not get it or want to understand , what was said ! And how one verse matches up with another !
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How so?

Please explain?

I gave a couple of scriptures about Baptism associated with Gentiles.

...this letter [this mail] was just meant for the Roman Christians, and does not apply to us?

Is that what you are teaching us?

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:3-4

and again


And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
Acts 10:45-48

Peter commanded them to be baptized in water, after they had received the Holy Spirit.


I would ask you to give us a little more than... Sorry you just do not get it or want to understand... in the light of these verse's.

What do these scriptures about baptism in water after the baptism of the Holy Spirit, as given to Gentiles, say to you.



JLB
 
LovethroughDove said:
I believe Peter was stating that the water and Holy Spirit are synonymous. People around him who knew of water baptism, were probably like....huh?!

Acts 19:3-6 So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?" "John's baptism," they replied. Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus." On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.

Galatians 3:26-27 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
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Yes Acts 19, shows us all three Baptism's demonstrated by Paul, as they were not baptized again in water.


JLB
 
LovethroughDove said:
I believe Peter was stating that the water and Holy Spirit are synonymous. People around him who knew of water baptism, were probably like....huh?!

Acts 19:3-6 So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?" "John's baptism," they replied. Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus." On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.

Galatians 3:26-27 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
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Yes Acts 19, shows us all three Baptism's demonstrated by Paul, as they were not baptized again in water.


JLB
 
grams said:
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I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

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Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

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And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

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For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

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For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
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This would be a good example of taking scripture out of context, and applying it to your own "doctrine" that seems to steer people away from water baptism.

What is the context of these statements by Paul?

Paul warns against division in the Church, by exhorting those to follow Christ, and not other Apostles and leaders.

Key Phrase: lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name.

10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.
1 Corinthians 1:10-14


Please consider that Paul was not teaching against water baptism, but against division through Sectarianism.


JLB
 
grams said:
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I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
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johns baptism was external Christ baptism the baptism of the spirit is eternal the moment we get saved . water baptism is symbolic along wit a statement affirming our faith. we are following Christ . show scripture that says there is no need to be baptist-ed. granted water baptism does not save us nor make us to go to heaven. but if Christ was baptized so should we
 
Proverbs 18:24 KJV
A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a friend thatsticketh closer than a brother.

I reckon we stick with each other although we ain't very friendly. That doesn't sound right. I think I need to work on ....... LOL

eddif
 
grams said:
Again , you need to rightly divide the word of God.

And know that we follow Paul and are Gentiles now.........!
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where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.
Colossians 3:11
 
ezra said:
johns baptism was external Christ baptism the baptism of the spirit is eternal the moment we get saved . water baptism is symbolic along wit a statement affirming our faith. we are following Christ . show scripture that says there is no need to be baptist-ed. granted water baptism does not save us nor make us to go to heaven. but if Christ was baptized so should we
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I saw baptism as being only external for years. I sure cut folks slack.

I Corinthians 15:46 KJV
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Repentance may be more external and then comes the internal and eternal. No one has to say it my way, and my comment is just how I deal with it. Water baptism fits with repentance (?). Romans 7:25

eddif
 
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Acts 1:5 "For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit." ~ Jesus

He is saying right here why he did the water baptism. The Holy Spirit could not baptize until Jesus did what he did.

That little (but) in the middle of the statement means something.

Jesus also states that unless he washes your feet, you can have no part in him.
John 13:8 "No," said Peter, "you shall never wash my feet." Jesus answered, "Unless I wash you, you have no part with me."

Is he literally washing our feet with literal water? That is easy, no.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

So, this scripture is taking care of the (John's baptism for repentance)......but now it is Jesus taking care of business.
 
ezra said:
not sure i understand last 2 post
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Is the following an intellectual statement of Peter, or a prophetic utterance of the Spirit?

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

If we can wipe a whole bunch of church traditions from our minds, just as Jesus spoke to the Jewish leaders about their traditions:
Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Jewish folks had some bad traditions
Gentile church folks have had 2000 years to develop some bad traditions too

So

If we can approach the last 2 posts with a Berean scripture search
Acts 17:10 KJV
And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

The Acts 2:38 passage has 3 aspects of baptism IMHO:
Repentance - John's baptism with water baptism (more human related)
Baptism into Christ Jesus (more God / Jesus work related) I Peter 2:24
Baptism into Holy Spirit (Jesus left earth and sent Holy Spirit to be in us - still God related work)

I really hate (on a human level) to push some aspects of this, but it is not from a traditional traditions standpoint. Foundations of Faith should be strongly scriptural and not human traditions. Working out salvation with Fear and trembling is hopefully our goal. I carried a huge load of traditions for years, and still discover my pockets lined with sticky notes at times.

ezra just point blank jump on me with particular questions about my posts. I may see your point. We sometimes have differences. Some plant / some water, but it is sure God who gives the growth. Whatever it takes to give me growth - even if my favorite weeds have to be chopped down. Some weeds may have to be chopped down by PM to not upset others, and tell me when I should be using PMs.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
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