Grailhunter
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That is funny. I have yet to see any intelligence in your reasoning.
The simple meaning of I am, because believing that He was born before Abraham would not save them. They had to believe in Him as Savior to be saved.
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That is funny. I have yet to see any intelligence in your reasoning.
The simple meaning of I am, because believing that He was born before Abraham would not save them. They had to believe in Him as Savior to be saved.
Grailhunter
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I have already covered the…. for I am YHWH, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me,….Now find that statement in the New Testament. Then Yahweh had a Son that was a God.
Grailhunter
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I do not understand what you saying.
It is not over the word begotten…we have already went over it in the post you just replied to.
Butch5
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The context of the passage is Paul contrasting the many gods of the pagans with the one God of the Christians. Paul says there is one God, the Father. No matter how we understand stand the phrase 'one Lord Jesus Christ'. Jesus is precluded from being God because Paul states unequivocally that the one God is the Father. Even Jesus said the Father is the only True God. If we understand Scripture any way that doesn't align with these statements we've got something wrong. How can we understand 'One Lord Jesus Christ.' In the ultimate sense the Father is the only Lord. Paul states this.
That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
The Holy Bible: King James Version.
Paul tells us that the Father is the only Lord of Lords. So why then does Paul say, 'One Lord Jesus Christ?' Because all authority has been given to Him. God has delegated all authority to Jesus. As I've stated God said that His name is in His Messinger. Thus His Messenger stands in the place of God or the One Lord.
Paul said that God would judge the world through the man Jesus Christ. He didn't say God would judge the world through the God Jesus Christ. He said man. Note that this was after Christ's resurrection. After the resurrection Paul is calling Jesus a man. Not a God. That begs the question, how can man be God? But, Jesus is the one who forgives sins. He's the one who communicates God's words to man. He stands in the place and authority of God. Thus He can be called the One Lord. Again, this is in contrast to the many gods and lords of the pagans.
Grailhunter
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How about you just talk about what you want.
Grailhunter
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So we disagree, no shock.
Again show me were Yeshua does something in the Old Testament scriptures or they say something to each other like in the New Testament. As soon as you do Judaism is no longer about believing in one God.
Grailhunter
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“agent of creation” Secret agent, hiding agent, invisible agent, MIB? But not a visible agent as in visible in the scriptures.
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"Being like God, partaking of God's divine nature, is your calling. This isn't something that was supposed to be exclusive to Jesus". Wow. I suggest you read Hebrews 1 carefully, and the following chapters. Jesus is exalted far above all angels and all men. Jesus is GOD the SON. That is what Hebrews is explaining to us. He is not an angel or any other CREATED being. The throne in Heaven in Revelation is called "the throne of God and of the Lamb". God does not share his throne or glory with ANYONE. In the OT God says that "all knees shall bow to Him and every tongue confess"--Paul states that "every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father". This is clearly teaching us that Jesus Christ is as much God as the Father is. Jesus Christ is God the SON and should be honored as such. That's as "exclusive" as one can possibly be. We will "be like Jesus" when he appears---but we will not be Jesus--He is the Son of God.
Yes, I also suggest you read Hebrews 1 carefully. What about it did you find most interesting? Did you notice all of the parts about Jesus not being God in it?
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
10 And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10
- You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.
The Son created the heavens and the earth.
The Son is called LORD.
Did God create the heavens and the earth or did man?
You’re right, and all that philosophical mumbo jumbo about “eternally begotten” and “three persons” is wrong.
I guess you are being sarcastic. But at the transfiguration when Jesus revealed who He really is (and Peter, John and James all saw it) who was the voice speaking from Heaven that said "this is my beloved Son, hear him"? Was Jesus speaking to Jesus? Hmmmmmm.
That has nothing whatsoever to do with what I posted.
The Son created the heavens and the earth.
8 But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
10 And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10
Do you believe the heavens and the earth were created by God or by a man?
Hebrews 1:8,9 is quoted from Psalm 45:6,7 where the person being anointed by God in the context is a human with a foreign queen. While it doesn't specify who exactly that is by name, we do know that God and Jesus don't have queens. One of the possible contenders for who Psalm 45 is about is Solomon considering his wives were foreign (1 Kings 7:8, 11:1)
Psalm 45:6,7 isn't about Solomon or any other man being God.
Therefore, when the author transferred Psalm 45:6,7 to Hebrews 1:8,9 he was not saying that Solomon is God. The author is applying Psalm 45 to Jesus, but it doesn't transfer from the original context that Jesus is God. The original context refers to a ruler or judge with emphatic emphasis on him being a "god" with a lower case g.
This is evidenced by the fact that God anointed him, based on the pre-requisite of loving righteousness and hating wickedness, above his companions. Means to say, that if Jesus is God then at one point he was less than or equal to his companions which isn't a description of Lord God Almighty.
Therefore, in Hebrews 1:10, the LORD who created is the same God who anointed he who is inferior to God above his companions. That means Jesus isn't God.
Anything else you see in Hebrews 1?
Right. There are a lot of these buzzwords like "God the Son" and the like which don't actually exist in Scripture. Worth its own thread examining the laundry list of Trinitarian buzzwords that don't actually exist in the Bible. As you said elsewhere, Trinitarianism is a philosophical theology not a Biblical theology.
Correct. God the FATHER (from Heaven) speaking about God the SON (being transfigured in front of his disciples on the Holy Mount). TWO PERSONS. The point I was making is that there are many places in Scripture that clearly show God is made up of THREE PERSONS (THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT). The Trinity is a Biblical Doctrine.
Butch5
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Can you give some examples fo those many places?
Sure.
"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased". (Matt. 3:16,17)
Note: The SON is in the water being baptized. The SPIRIT is descending from Heaven. The FATHER speaks from Heaven and says "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased". The THREE persons of the TRINITY are clearly shown.
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”(Matt. 28:19,20).
This is a direct command from Jesus Christ. He clearly commands that we baptize in the NAME (not "names") of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (One God made up of three persons). Oneness Pentecostalists say that Jesus is alone God who has "expressed" himself three different ways. Then why doesn't Jesus command "Baptize them in my Name"? No---he clearly commands to baptize in the NAME of THREE PERSONS.