How many things have you said wrong here, your logic and conclusions are both train wrecks. The only thing you have done here is keep me busy correcting you.
That's one way to yet again avoid addressing the logic of the two arguments I presented. You anti-Trinitarians have all sorts of ways of dismissing things without addressing them. It's shameful, actually. On this particular point--the two logical arguments from 1 Cor 8:6--neither you nor any other anti-Trinitarian has even tried to show where my logic is wrong; not once.
Once again:
1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. (ESV)
First,
if "one God, the Father" precludes the Son from also being God,
then it necessarily follows that "one Lord, Jesus Christ" precludes the Father from also being Lord. That is basic logic and sound reasoning. Yet, we know that the Father is also Lord.
Second,
if "from whom are all things" speaks of the Father's absolute existence,
then it necessarily follows that "through whom are all things" speaks of the Son's absolute existence. Again, basic logic and sound reasoning.
If you disagree, then please show me where my reasoning is wrong. You claiming my "logic and conclusions are both train wrecks" doesn't mean they are. You have to actually show they are; show where the errors are.
As far as how the Apostle referring to Yahweh as God and Yeshua as Lord.
They did that even in the scripture that you gave. Here is some more….
Acts 20:21,
Romans 5:1,
5:11,
15:6,
1st Corinthians 15:57,
2nd Corinthians 1:3,
2nd Corinthians 11:31,
Galatians 1:3 ,
Galatians 6:14,
Ephesians 1:3,
Ephesians 1:17,
Ephesians 3:14,
Ephesians 5:20,
Colossians 1:3,
1st Thessalonians 1:3,
1st Thessalonians 3:11,
1st Thessalonians 3:13,
1st Thessalonians 5:23,
2nd Thessalonians 1:8,
2nd Thessalonians 1:12,
2nd Thessalonians 2:16,
Hebrews 13:20,
1st Peter 1:3,
Jude 1:21
I did 1st Corinthians 8:6 as one of those few scriptures that support the one God formula.
Your grammar in a couple of places makes it difficult to understand what your point is.
But for every scripture you give me that supports the one God formula I can give you 50 that do not.
This is the type of poor reasoning that has led you to tritheism. It becomes a numbers game of what you feel different texts are supporting in this discussion. But, that is to take everything out of context. It is never a matter of the side which appears to have more support is the truth.
All must be taken together.
God the Father and God the Son are both Gods. The Apostles were just showing a distinction between the two....showing difference.
He's showing they are distinct, yes, but he absolutely
cannot be showing that they are both Gods.
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.
'I am" getting hungry....But I am not God. Just because the word I am appear in scripture does not mean they are referring to God I AM.
I hope you realize what the text actually states here: "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am
He, you will die in your sins.” This is important because "He" doesn't appear in the Greek.
Joh 8:23 He said to them, “You are from below;
I am from above. You are of this world;
I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” (ESV)
So, immediately before Jesus says "unless you believe that I am you will die in your sins," he clearly claims to be "from above" and "not of this world." Besides claiming preexistence, it strongly suggests that unless one believes he is I Am, they will die in their sins. Both of those verses then support what he says in verse 58.
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.”
Joh 8:57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” (ESV)
At least here the translators didn't add "He," since, once again, it isn't in the Greek. Perhaps they left it out because here it grammatically makes no sense to say "I am He;" it would make Jesus say nonsense.
Jesus is addressing the question: “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” His response is, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
First, if Jesus was to say "before Abraham was, I am
he," would that mean he is claiming to be Abraham? But, that wouldn't be true and it would be nonsense to claim that before Abraham was, he was Abraham. Or, would it mean he is claiming to be someone else, such as the Messiah? But, that doesn't make sense either, since the question posed wasn't about who he was. So, in both cases, he would neither answer the question nor would his answer make sense grammatically.
Second, if Jesus meant "before Abraham was, I am
he," then why did the Jews pick up stones to stone him? What blasphemy did he seemingly commit that demanded his death?
What we can plainly see is that the question is one of chronology and age. So, Jesus answers that with chronology and age, or better, with the nature of being. Jesus contrasts the limited existence of Abraham in time, with his own eternal preexistence. That actually answers the question and makes sense grammatically. It also makes sense of why the Jews wanted to stone him--they (falsely) saw his claim to be I Am as blasphemy.
