Understanding The Law Of Moses - With The Help Of The Prophets And The Apostles

[journeymanisnothing]

We probably agree.

The gospel is not hidden / hear gospel believe receive.

This is the way I see God dealing throughout history,

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Heb.4:2

When you look at hidden messages it may take help to get meaning. I read the law and messages are everywhere. I try and share and sometimes I get no response.

Me too. I'm finding the hidden messages speak of God doing great things so people will take notice.

eddif said:
I look at a bovine stomach and go wow, what a mighty God.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

I look at cheeseburgers and go yum, what a mighty God.

 

[gordon777]

Hi guys, great thread, but does anyone see that the way to be saved is through belief in Jesus Christ the Son of God rising again from the dead the third day, and how few find the narrow path, to be able to believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead ?

If you guys dont mind, ( or if you do) you have discussed this thread for a while now, now it is my turn ( as timing has it) to share how the law is ONLY, guiding the ones who can believe, ( in Jesus Chris rising from the dead) in their heart, ( hence the law written in the heart) by the new covenant, ( in the blood of Christ) that is why the law speaks of Jesus Christ and why Jesus Christ FULFILLED IT.

Please read the following verses, because discussion is not the same as testimony, what we are declared/testified by Jesus Christ saves us, because He came to verify what was given already, to bring it into your heart in belief.

 

[gordon777]

Contained in the law and the prophets, Psalms 40:10, begins to tell of the declaration to the great congregation of the Lords salvation which is HIs faithfulness, HIs righteousness, HIs lovingkindness and HIs truth.

John 1 begins with that fulfilment, how no man had ever seen God at any time, and is very specific, that the only begotten Son declares Him, because He is in the bosom of the Father. ( He is with God.)

John 1 continues, how the apostles were glad to have found whom Moses in the law, and the prophets wrote about, Jesus of Nazareth.

Jesus shows how those same law and prophets were until John the Baptist, because Jesus was found, who those same law and prophets ad spoken of, who had come to not conceal and hide the salvation of God, but to declare it, ( preaching the kingdom of God) Jesus prayed ( confirms) to the Father of declaring HIs name, ( for salvation) and how He would declare it for the love the Father has loved the Son may be in them ( who believe in the name of the only begotten Son) and the Son in them. ( in Spirit.)

Jesus sums up the purpose of the law of Moses and the prophets and in the Psalms concerning Him, that all things must be fulfilled that were written.

Jesus opens the apostles understanding then, to understand what the scriptures had testified about Him, how it was written, and how it had to be fulfilled for ( righteousness sake) Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name ( declaring the name of the Father.) among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. The apostles were witnesses of those things.





Psalm 40:10 I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

John 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.





The apostles continued the witness, preaching how by the Lord Jesus Christ, all who believe ( in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18.) are justified from all things, which the law of Moses could not justify them from, but to beware, of what those same prophets had also prophesised, how they are despisers, they wonder and perish: for the Lord works a work in their days, a work which they shall IN NO WISE BELIEVE, though a man ( the Son of man) declare it unto them.

Fulfilment can be seen in first Luke 4, of all in the synagogue bearing witness to the gracious words that proceeded out of the mouth of Jesus, and they concluded this was Josephs son. Jesus returns answer how the people cannot believe in the physician having healing for all.

After this Jesus tells of a truth to the people, until they were filled with wrath, (They Beheld, they despised they wondered, and they perish.) and thrust Jesus out of the city and led Him to the top of the hill to cast Jesus down headlong.

Later Jesus is casting out devils when the devil was gone out, the man who could not speak, spoke,; and the people wondered. But some of the people said, Jesus was casting out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils. and others, tempting Him, sought of Him a sign from heaven.(Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you




John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Luke 4:22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?
23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

Luke 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.

Luke 11:14 And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered.
15 But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.
16 And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven.


Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.





After this, apostle Paul has the same evil treatment done on him, and fulfilling the words of Jesus how they would be persecuted for HIs sake.

Apostle Paul confesses how it was not heresy as the people of Israel accused Paul of, but it was worshipping the God of his fathers, believing all things written in the law and the prophets, which is the hope towards God, for the resurrection of the dead, just and just, and by that the apostle exercised himself to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men. Apostle Paul had also said to those who are of the day, to be sober, to put on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

The Psalms and the prophets had told of that hope and salvation in the Lords word, hoping for His salvation and having done HIs commandments, how the salvation of Israel is in the Lord our God, for a man to both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the Lord.




Psalm 119:81 My soul fainteth for thy salvation: but I hope in thy word.

Psalm 119:166 Lord, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments.

Jeremiah 3:23 Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the Lord our God is the salvation of Israel.

Lamentations 3:26 It is good that a man should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the Lord.


Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.


Continued below.

 

[gordon777]

Paul a servant of God, called to be an apostle, was separated unto the gospel of God. The gospel of God was promised beforehand by the Lords prophets in the holy scriptures, about HIs Son Jesus Christ our Lord, made of the seed of David in the flesh, and was declared to be the Son of God with power, by the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from he dead, to give grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith, ( The Son of God declared the faithfulness of the Father.) among all nations ( to the great congregation) for HIs name. ( the Son of God declared the Fathers name.)

Paul shows how we know that the law says things to those who are under the law, to stop every mouth, and all the world may become guilty before God. The deeds of the law therefore justify nobody in the sight of God, because the law gives the knowledge of sin. ( it is known all who are in the law are in sin/guilty before God.)

But now the righteousness of God is manifested to be without that same law, ( of sin and death by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:2.) which is what was WITNESSED BY THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS, which is even the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD WITHOUT THE LAW, ( because the Son of God came declaring the righteousness of the Father. Psalm 40:10.) which is by faith of Jesus Christ, ( Christ declared the faithfulness of the Father. Psalm 40:10.) unto and upon all them that believe, ( in the name declared. John 17:26.) because all had sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. ( who were in the law of sin and death) to be justified freely by HIs grace and redemption in Christ Jesus, as God had prophesied of giving HIs Son as propitiation for faith in HIs blood, ( Isaiah 53:10. Zechariah 9:11) to declare HIs righteousness for the remission of past sins because of Gods forbearance. ( faithfulness)

Looking fuller at Psalm 40, the prophet prophesies of how God does not desire sacrifice, ( the animal sacrifices were not pleasing to God) and were not required, and how it is written in the whole book how the Son comes to do the will of the Father. He delights to do Gods will, the law in HIs heart, ( the law of faith) and He preaches righteousness in the great congregation, no refraining of HIs lips, not hiding the righteousness of God, but DECLARED HIS FAITHFULNESS AND SALVATION.

Hebrews 10, confirms all, of when Christ came into the world, ( the antichrist denies that Christ has come in the flesh/into the world.) of God not being pleased with sacrifice and offering, but a body God had prepared. ( which answers the antichrist spirit, that Christ has come into the world to receive the body necessary to give to please the Lord.)

In the volume of the book this is written ( by the law and the prophets and in Psalms) of the Son of God, to do the Lords will, as the sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin God did not want, no pleasure was in what was offered by the law. Then the Son of God comes ( into the world/in the flesh) to do Gods will, to take away the first ( that had no pleasure) to establish the second. ( to forever please God.)





Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
9 I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O Lord, thou knowest.
10 I have not hid THY RIGHTEOUSNESS within my heart; I HAVE DECLARED THY FAITHFULNESS AND THY SALVATION: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.

Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.


Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD WITHOUT THE LAW IS MANIFESTED, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 EVEN THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD WHICH IS BY FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, TO DECLARE HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;
26 TO DECLARE, I say, at this time HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS:THAT HE MIGHT BE JUST, and THE JUSTIFIER OF HIM WHICH BELIEVETH IN JESUS.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? NAY, BUT BY THE LAW OF FAITH.
28 Therefore we conclude that A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW.


Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.





Here separates the vain talkers, pretenders, who come with excellency of speech, because they are denying the declaration of the testimony of God. ( the Son declared the righteousness of God to believe in/the law of faith, to replace the law which was not of faith, the greater works/sacrifices that we may marvel/believe in Him.)

Jesus Christ and Him crucified, declares the law waxed old disappeared, any other teaching/words, are enticing in mens wisdom, not in the demonstration of the Spirit and of the power of God. ( the power of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, is the end of the law for righteousness/the righteousness of God declared.) so your faith DOES NOT STAND IN THE WISDOM OF GOD, BUT IN THE POWER OF GOD.

The TRAITORS profess belief in God but deny the POWER.






John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

Romans 1:4 And DECLARED TO BE THE SON OF GOD WITH POWER, according to THE SPIRIT OF HOLINESS, by THE RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD:

1 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, DECLARING UNTO YOU THE TESTIMONY OF GOD.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save JESUS CHRIST, AND HIM CRUCIFIED.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, BUT IN DEMONSTRATION OF THE SPIRIT AND OF POWER
5 That YOUR FAITH SHOULD NOT STAND IN THE WISDO OF MEN, BUT IN THE POWER OF GOD

Philippians 3:10 That I may KNOW HIM, and THE POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being MADE CONFORMABLE UNTO HIS DEATH;

2 Timothy 3:4 TRAITORS, HEADY, HIGHMINDED, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 HAVING A FORM OF GODLINESS, BUT DENYING THE POWER THEREOF: FROM SUCH TURN AWAY.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

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[gordon777]

Jesus opened His mouth to declare unto us what was prophesied in Psalm 40:10, and did not hide the Fathers righteousness within His heart; and declared His faithfulness and His salvation: and not concealing the Fathers lovingkindness and His truth from the great congregation.

The poor hear the declaration, the mourners hear what Jesus in mourning said, the meek hear the meek Lord, those who hunger and thirst after righteousness recognise the Fathers righteousness, His faithfulness and salvation, lovingkindness and truth they hunger after, ( every word the Son of God declared of the Fathers name, which is HIs love.) hearing the merciful shall obtain mercy, that the pure in heart do see God, ( through the Son of God declaring Him) and that the peacemakers are the children of God, ( He came to give HIs peace, not as the world gives. John 14:27.) and those who are persecuted for righteousness sake have the Kingdom of heaven, ( Jesus is persecuted for preaching the kingdom) and blessed are those who are reviled and persecuted and have evil told about them, for the Son of mans sake,. ( they rejoice as the prophets were persecuted not for the law, but from the lawless who did not see what else was in the law and Christ was reviled for fulfilling all.)



Matthew 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.





1 Timothy 1:9-10. shows the law was for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Revelation 21, is a reminder for them who are thirsty to thirst for His righteousness, ( the righteousness of God declared is the end of the law for righteousness to all who believe) to overcome to have God as their God, to be his son, because the fearful, ( who fear men not God) who are the unbelieving, are not in the law of faith, but in the law of sin and death of being abominable, ( which the law was made for) and for murderers, for whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, ( who bear false witness about Christ.) have their part in the lake of fire.


Galatians 3 tells about what was promised to Abraham about Christ, and how the law could not take those promises made before away, and that no inheritance was of the law, or there would be no purpose to the promise made before the law to Abraham.

The law we are told again, was simply added because of transgressions, ( all were transgressors) which would be the case until the seed God had promised about came. ( in the flesh which the antichrist spirit denies and cannot confess)

The scripture had concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Before faith came, ( Jesus Christ who came in the flesh which the antichrist denies and confesses not) we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. ( the law had nothing of value in it, as it was not of faith, and we were shut up in it until faith had come, the law and the prophets and the Psalms spoke of Christ of what He came to fulfil.)





Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.



Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

 

[eddif]

Hi guys, great thread, but does anyone see that the way to be saved is through belief in Jesus Christ the Son of God rising again from the dead the third day, and how few find the narrow path, to be able to believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead

gordon777
That paragraph sounds good. Your long posts after that are mainly in the New Testament (which is part of the title of the thread).

Quote the Old Testament passage and tell us how the New Testament says the same thing. Keep the OT and NT quotes as close to each other as possible. With the leading of the Holy Spirit I look forward to your posts.

eddif

 

[eddif]

gordon777
How about we do a scripture passage together. I will do the Old Testament passage and a question. You will have 100 words to answer with. Your answer must be right on target. I will be the one telling how close to the bulls eye you are.

Isaiah 53:1 kjv
1. Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2. For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

Gordon first question.
Remember just 100 words.
How many believed the report?
(In Acts chapter 1) the number is stated in parenthesis? and some may not agree.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

This is the way I see God dealing throughout history,

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Heb.4:2

Me too. I'm finding the hidden messages speak of God doing great things so people will take notice.

I look at cheeseburgers and go yum, what a mighty God.

When I say hidden:
The parable of the sower. —-Alone ——did NOT seem to tell the disciples about the word of God. The disciples ask why the parables.

Seeing they see not hearing they hear not.
Then he explains the parable to them.

The key to all parables is this:
A parable of Jesus has two levels.
1. The physical
2. The spiritual

Once presented with this concept you can work on understanding the parables of creation.

The ox is a type of walking parable (In the Law)
1. Eats word of God
2. Re-Chews the cud - meditates on what is eaten (word of God) goes over word again.
3. The things outside the flesh (bacteria in gut) try to take the nutrients
4. Digests what is trying to steal nutrition.
Proverbs 25:21 kjv
21. If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
22. For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.

The bacteria in our gut (a tube that separates them from us/our flesh) release products we need for health. That enter our blood stream.

The law is a way to learn (after the Holy Spirit leads us). We are lead into truth.
The cloven hoof of the ox:
Cracks the seed coat, not mashes the corn into a mushy mess.

I guess the chaff is eaten by ox and vitamin B3? Is concentrated in whole un-pasteurized milk.

The law hides all this, but gives hints.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

The rest of the story of seed coats.
Corn eaten without seed coat. Pellagra.

Rice eaten without seed cost beriberi

Potatoes eaten without peel.

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Jesus is the meat of the Word of God.

There may be some hidden things in the law that can help.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[gordon777]

Nobody seems to consent to what I had said, what a pity, but at the same time, interesting to know nobody disagrees, and how the thread took a slight slowing down afterwards.

I gave another thread just now in theology, about not being watered by men, and by God only, on top of not engaging any longer in deceit, I hope a few people take a look some time.

 

[eddif]

Nobody seems to consent to what I had said, what a pity, but at the same time, interesting to know nobody disagrees, and how the thread took a slight slowing down afterwards.

I gave another thread just now in theology, about not being watered by men, and by God only, on top of not engaging any longer in deceit, I hope a few people take a look some time.

We. All go through learning. I followed the Suggestions of the site. My posts are now shorter. I am trying to work with you. If we get a plan together it will help.

How many disciples in Acts chapter 1

eddif

 

[Thekjv]

Nobody seems to consent to what I had said, what a pity, but at the same time, interesting to know nobody disagrees, and how the thread took a slight slowing down afterwards.

I gave another thread just now in theology, about not being watered by men, and by God only, on top of not engaging any longer in deceit, I hope a few people take a look some time.

A lot of things you said I agree with I myself just do not respond to long post. I blame that on my computer skills. There may be 3 or 8 things in a long post I want to address. God in the old Testament said " This day I set before you life or death, choose life". After reading the Bible I seem to think he has not changed. It seems to me God keeps trying to make it easier to get into heaven and mankind keeps trying to make it harder. Today I see the same choice God stated in the old testament. Choose the New Covenant or the Old covenant for life or choose neither for death. There is no choice for mixing the two covenants one must choose.

 

[eddif]

A lot of things you said I agree with I myself just do not respond to long post. I blame that on my computer skills. There may be 3 or 8 things in a long post I want to address. God in the old Testament said " This day I set before you life or death, choose life". After reading the Bible I seem to think he has not changed. It seems to me God keeps trying to make it easier to get into heaven and mankind keeps trying to make it harder. Today I see the same choice God stated in the old testament. Choose the New Covenant or the Old covenant for life or choose neither for death. There is no choice for mixing the two covenants one must choose.

I think I can answer some of your post.

The chose life in the Old Testament was life of the Old Covenant. Physical life. Health, crops growing, victory over enemies, prosperity, etc. The eternal life hints would depend on them being in Abraham’s Bosom when Jesus preached to those in prisoned in the grave. Jesus preached the Gospel to them.

After Pentecost the Holy Spirit inside people allowed the Gospel about Jesus Christ to be presented to people (in power)

Today our choice is not the Law of Moses.
We have a new and better covenant. We chose eternal life and not the physical OT life.Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[journeymanisnothing]

When I say hidden:
The parable of the sower. —-Alone ——did NOT seem to tell the disciples about the word of God. The disciples ask why the parables.

Seeing they see not hearing they hear not.
Then he explains the parable to them.

The key to all parables is this:
A parable of Jesus has two levels.
1. The physical
2. The spiritual

Once presented with this concept you can work on understanding the parables of creation.

The ox is a type of walking parable (In the Law)
1. Eats word of God
2. Re-Chews the cud - meditates on what is eaten (word of God) goes over word again.
3. The things outside the flesh (bacteria in gut) try to take the nutrients
4. Digests what is trying to steal nutrition.
Proverbs 25:21 kjv
21. If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
22. For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.

The bacteria in our gut (a tube that separates them from us/our flesh) release products we need for health. That enter our blood stream.

The law is a way to learn (after the Holy Spirit leads us). We are lead into truth.
The cloven hoof of the ox:
Cracks the seed coat, not mashes the corn into a mushy mess.

I guess the chaff is eaten by ox and vitamin B3? Is concentrated in whole un-pasteurized milk.

The law hides all this, but gives hints.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

The seed is the word of God,

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. Jn.12:24

 

[journeymanisnothing]

But now the righteousness of God is manifested to be without that same law.....

Paul is showing how Jesus could have used the law to condemn those who sinned against him, but chose not to.

 

[eddif]

The seed is the word of God,

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. Jn.12:24

The parable of the sower is without all you posted.

If I do not have it wrong, your John 12 quote is not part of the parable of the sower.
The parable of the sower is just about physical seeds, grout condition, crop yield.

The John 12 passage is about his death and resurrection. Verse 23 turns the conversation to himself.

Yes we must die similar to Jesu, but IMHO there are some differences.

The dance through all this is tedious.

We are talking about the Law and not the death of Jesus.

eddif

 

[Thekjv]

I think I can answer some of your post.

The chose life in the Old Testament was life of the Old Covenant. Physical life. Health, crops growing, victory over enemies, prosperity, etc. The eternal life hints would depend on them being in Abraham’s Bosom when Jesus preached to those in prisoned in the grave. Jesus preached the Gospel to them.

After Pentecost the Holy Spirit inside people allowed the Gospel about Jesus Christ to be presented to people (in power)

Today our choice is not the Law of Moses.
We have a new and better covenant. We chose eternal life and not the physical OT life.Mississippi redneck
eddif

Yes the New Covenant is the best choice and my choice. Many say Jesus was in the synagogues preaching the old covenant I disagree. Imo Jesus was trying to show the old testament testified of Christ and He was the Christ many Jews did not buy it and they did not believe He was the Christ so they crucified Him. In the new testament God says he will make a way for old covenant believers to be saved. That is why I said it the way I said it. God really wants everyone to be under the new covenant.

 

[eddif]

Yes the New Covenant is the best choice and my choice. Many say Jesus was in the synagogues preaching the old covenant I disagree. Imo Jesus was trying to show the old testament testified of Christ and He was the Christ many Jews did not buy it and they did not believe He was the Christ so they crucified Him. In the new testament God says he will make a way for old covenant believers to be saved. That is why I said it the way I said it. God really wants everyone to be under the new covenant.

Jesus made the way for Old Testament saints to be saved.

1 Peter 3:18 kjv
18. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19. By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20. Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

V18 made way for salvation
V19 took Gospel solution to Old Testament saints in Abraham’s Bosom.
V20 compared being boat to being buried in Christ Jesus.
One name under heaven that brings salvation.

The Old Testament shows a shadow of salvation
Jonah in submarine (great fish)
Noah in great boat saved from flood
Today buried into the death/buried with Christ.

We are saved in Christ.

We are totally changed at the last trump

eddif

 

[eddif]

Yes the New Covenant is the best choice and my choice. Many say Jesus was in the synagogues preaching the old covenant I disagree. Imo Jesus was trying to show the old testament testified of Christ and He was the Christ many Jews did not buy it and they did not believe He was the Christ so they crucified Him. In the new testament God says he will make a way for old covenant believers to be saved. That is why I said it the way I said it. God really wants everyone to be under the new covenant.

Jesus taught in parables so he would not have to heal some stubborn people.
Hearing they hear not, seeing they see not,

Isaiah 6, Matthew 13, Mark 4, Luke 8.,,,,

eddif

 

[eddif]

Yes the New Covenant is the best choice and my choice. Many say Jesus was in the synagogues preaching the old covenant I disagree. Imo Jesus was trying to show the old testament testified of Christ and He was the Christ many Jews did not buy it and they did not believe He was the Christ so they crucified Him. In the new testament God says he will make a way for old covenant believers to be saved. That is why I said it the way I said it. God really wants everyone to be under the new covenant.

The start of this thread really came from the discussion about Halloween. Candy was mentioned in that thread. The discussion about candy is seen by some as exempt from contamination and others saw the association as relevant to some people. Others saw no association to the Law of Moses.
But
The Circumcision Party was pushing for dietary observance even after the gentile inclusion into Christianity.

The food, drink, sabbath, holy days seem to have left our discussion table. Those items were (at a historical point) very relevant to some Jews and gentiles. I see no need to force the law compliance, but do find the subject relevant to understanding parables and the Law, plus as relating to a close working relationship between Jews and gentiles.

Mississippi redneck
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