Unique, Not Only-Begotten

[Carry_Your_Name]

That's a false gospel so I would be careful pushing that around. The gospel states to believe that God sent his Son, the Messiah. This is what we are told to believe in the Bible. Your gospel of "believe Jesus is God to be saved" is not found in the Bible.

"For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begoten Son of God." (Jn. 3:17-18) Not "my gospel", but God's, clearly written in the bible.

 

[Runningman]

We will have to disagree. And I do have understanding from above on who Jesus actually is not just what I believe but what I know from above. Just as I have the Spirit of Christ in me and know Him not just believe in Him. But I gave you unambiguous scripture that states together that God spoke to us in these last days and created through that same Son as the writer contrasts that Son with the Angels of God. Showing the Superiority of Jesus's Sonship to the angels of God.

God was made lower than angels? Hebrews 2:7

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word

The universe was made in the last days?

He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.

This is referring to the True Light who gives light to men entering the world. The True Light is God, Jesus is a man who was in the world. Jesus was not in the world until after his birth.

John 1
9The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world.

 

[Runningman]

How do you know that since John 17:3 is part of Jesus's high priestly prayer? Since you deny his deity, why bother quoting his words? Why quoting any NT at all?

I understand Jesus, you don't, but don't misunderstand me here. I am teaching you who God and Jesus are.

John 17:3 is an explicit declaration about the only true God being the Father. That isn't Jesus.

So the picture on your driver's license is not you, you've stolen somebody else's identity? If you're Zoom or Facetime or livestreaming or a security camera, that's not you but an imaginary flat person on the screen, even though everybody sees your face knows it's you? Don't be silly, man. You're better than that.

Care to get on with your point?

 

[Runningman]

"For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begoten Son of God." (Jn. 3:17-18) Not "my gospel", but God's, clearly written in the bible.

Again, you hold a false gospel. It does not say what you say it does. I have already read it. God is the one doing the saving through Jesus. Read Matt, Mark, Luke, and John to see how God saves the world through Jesus. The doctrines, the miracles, healings, etc were all done by God with God using Jesus as a prophet and vessel. Jesus is God's chosen servant.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Keep your heresy to yourself, and repent your self righteousness.

As it is the Lord in Whom I am righteous, I admonish you to share in that righteousness too.

 

[Randy]

God was made lower than angels? Hebrews 2:7

The universe was made in the last days?

God made the creation through Jesus? You didn't ask that so it must be clear to you.

This is referring to the True Light who gives light to men entering the world. The True Light is God, Jesus is a man who was in the world. Jesus was not in the world until after his birth.

John 1
9The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world.

 

[Runningman]

God made the creation through Jesus? You didn't ask that so it must be clear to you.

Hebrews 1:2, God spoke through the son to create the universe in "these last days" beginning ~2,000 years ago? Are you sure?

Take a look at Hebrews 1:2 in a lexicon. The word they often translate as "universe" is actually aión. It refers to an age or a cycle of time. The universe wasn't created 2,000 years ago my friend. I hope this shorter post will catch your attention.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I understand Jesus, you don't, but don't misunderstand me here. I am teaching you who God and Jesus are.

John 17:3 is an explicit declaration about the only true God being the Father. That isn't Jesus.

For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need somebody to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God. And you have come to need milk and not solid food. (Heb. 5:12)

Care to get on with your point?

1 Cor. 15:40, go figure.

Again, you hold a false gospel. It does not say what you say it does. I have already read it. God is the one doing the saving through Jesus. Read Matt, Mark, Luke, and John to see how God saves the world through Jesus. The doctrines, the miracles, healings, etc were all done by God with God using Jesus as a prophet and vessel. Jesus is God's chosen servant.

There are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be ACCURSED. (Gal. 1:7-8)

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

As it is the Lord in Whom I am righteous, I admonish you to share in that righteousness too.

Everyone who partakes only of milk is UNSKILLED in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.

 

[Runningman]

For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need somebody to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God. And you have come to need milk and not solid food. (Heb. 5:12)

1 Cor. 15:40, go figure.

There are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be ACCURSED. (Gal. 1:7-8)

Oh, the irony. Ok then.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Oh, the irony. Ok then.

Since you're so staunchly against Jesus's deity, who do you say Jesus is? According to you, just another prophet, a good teacher of morality and virtues, not the one and only son of God. If that's the case, then you don't know him, and he doesn't know you.

 

[Runningman]

Since you're so staunchly against Jesus's deity, who do you say Jesus is? According to you, just another prophet, a good teacher of morality and virtues, not the one and only son of God. If that's the case, then you don't know him, and he doesn't know you.

Jesus denied being God. Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah. The only true God is the Father. Some believe it, some don't. It's between you and God at this point if you deny the testimony of the New Testament.

John 17​

3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.​

Notice there is no mention of Jesus being God as revealed by the Father. Peter had it all figured out.

Matt 16​

15“But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?”​

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16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”​

17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.​

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Jesus denied being God. Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah. The only true God is the Father. Some believe it, some don't. It's between you and God at this point if you deny the testimony of the New Testament.

Son of God is the same as God's presence on earth. God didn't personally impregnate Mary with his sperm, "son of" means incarnation or personification. If you deny the son, you deny the father.

 

[Runningman]

Son of God is the same as God's presence on earth. God didn't personally impregnate Mary with his sperm, "son of" means incarnation or personification. If you deny the son, you deny the father.

Being Son of God has absolutely nothing to do with being God. They are not the same person. The Father is God, Jesus His Son. The son is not his own Father and his own God.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Being Son of God has absolutely nothing to do with being God. They are not the same person. The Father is God, Jesus His Son. The son is not his own Father and his own God.

Then why do you still quote his words and debate on this forum? And what exactly is your point with all this squabble against his deity? As a matter of fact, God is only known as the Father through the Son. Throughout the OT God is most commonly addressed as the Lord God or the Lord of hosts, very rarely was he called the father.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Everyone who partakes only of milk is UNSKILLED in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.

Get up to speed !

 

[Runningman]

Then why do you still quote his words and debate on this forum? And what exactly is your point with all this squabble against his deity? As a matter of fact, God is only known as the Father through the Son.

This is a discussion forum open to the public.

Throughout the OT God is most commonly addressed as the Lord God or the Lord of hosts, very rarely was he called the father.

And God is never called the Son.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Get up to speed !

"For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." What you have is the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, Jesus wants a relationship with you, not self righteousness, in other words, arrogance.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

This is a discussion forum open to the public.

And God is never called the Son.

"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. " (Phil. 2:5-8)

 

[Runningman]

"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. " (Phil. 2:5-8)

Being in the "form" of God refers to the physically outward appearance. Has nothing to do with being God. Paul told the Philippians to have that same mind. He didn't tell the Philippians to believe they are God.

G3444. morphé
Strong's Concordance
morphé: form, shape
Original Word: μορφή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: morphé
Phonetic Spelling: (mor-fay')
Definition: form, shape
Usage: form, shape, outward appearance.