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Unique, Not Only-Begotten

Think out of the box sure, but don't go too far outside the box because outside the box is also sin.

Is worshipping a human being as God rank idolatry?
Jesus is the only access to God, you don't know the God you think you're worshipping without Jesus, I told you this many times. "you worship a god you don't know," John 4:22. Denying Jesus is forgivable, but denying the power of God by which Jesus performed those miracles is the unforgivable sin.
 
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Jesus is the only access to God, you don't know the God you think you're worshipping without Jesus, I told you this many times. "you worship a god you don't know," John 4:22.
What do you think it means that no man comes to the Father except through Jesus?
Denying Jesus is forgivable, but denying the power of God by which Jesus performed those miracles is the unforgivable sin.
Whoever said that is what I am doing? If denying Jesus is forgivable, but denying God is not forgivable, then Jesus isn't God. Which one do you think I am doing?
 
What do you think it means that no man comes to the Father except through Jesus?
It's not what I think, but what you think. Jesus was not one of the prophets, he's God in human form. Till today, Jews, muslims and many non religious people respect Jesus as a good teacher and prophet, you seem to be one of them, because if you insist Jesus is just a man, then that's the foregone conclusion.
Whoever said that is what I am doing? If denying Jesus is forgivable, but denying God is not forgivable, then Jesus isn't God. Which one do you think I am doing?
Neither. Denying the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
 
It's not what I think, but what you think. Jesus was not one of the prophets, he's God in human form. Till today, Jews, muslims and many non religious people respect Jesus as a good teacher and prophet, you seem to be one of them, because if you insist Jesus is just a man, then that's the foregone conclusion.
The bible says Jesus is a prophet but not God in human form. He was a sinless man with a sinless soul. When he died, the soul of Jesus died with him, not just a body. The soul of God doesn't die my friend. The one and only true God, the Father, resurrected Jesus. That's sola scriptura.

1 Thessalonians 1
9For they themselves report what kind of welcome you gave us, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God 10and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.

Isaiah 53
10Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him;
he has put him to grief;
when his soul makes an offering for guilt,
he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;
the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong,
because he poured out his soul to death
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and makes intercession for the transgressors.
Neither. Denying the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
Correct. Thanks for sharing.
 
The bible says Jesus is a prophet but not God in human form. He was a sinless man with a sinless soul. When he died, the soul of Jesus died with him, not just a body. The soul of God doesn't die my friend. The one and only true God, the Father, resurrected Jesus. That's sola scriptura.
"Soul", nephesh in Hebrew or phyche in Greek, means a living being by biblical definition, and a "soul" was formed out of the dust of the ground, see Gen. 2:7, 2:9 and 2:19. There's Spirit of God, but there's no such a thing as "soul of God", because God is not created, he was the creator of the universe.
 
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"Soul", nephesh in Hebrew or phyche in Greek, means a living being by biblical definition, and a "soul" was formed out of the dust of the ground, see Gen. 2:7, 2:9 and 2:19. There's Spirit of God, but there's no such a thing as "soul of God", because God is not created, he was the creator of the universe.
It can be translated in various ways depending on the context. Numerous versions opted to say the soul of Jesus was made a offering for sins. Since he isn't God, the soul of Jesus dying is a valid translation. The version I quoted happened to be the ESV.

And yes God does have a soul. Jeremiah 32:41
 
The bible says Jesus is a prophet but not God in human form. He was a sinless man with a sinless soul. When he died, the soul of Jesus died with him, not just a body. The soul of God doesn't die my friend. The one and only true God, the Father, resurrected Jesus. That's sola scriptura.

so you believe that Jesus Christ is Created just like you and I?
 
Greetings again Carry_Your_Name,
You need to think out of the box, man. Jesus is God not because he said so or any Scripture said so, but all the works of miracle he performed. A man can't calm a storm, instantly heal disease or cast out demon, only God can. In John 10 Jesus didn't repeatly and relentlessly quote OT verses like you do, he let his works speak for himself.
I would be interested in how you understand the following:
Acts 2:22–24 (KJV): 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Could you show me from Acts 2 where Peter taught the same as you claim and did the 3000 Jews who were baptised by the Apostles also believe the same as you.
Denying Jesus is forgivable, but denying the power of God by which Jesus performed those miracles is the unforgivable sin.
I am not denying Jesus and I am not denying the power of God by which Jesus performed those miracles.
if you insist Jesus is just a man
Jesus is not "just a man", he is a "unique" man, "Only-Begotten", specially prepared for his role and ministry, the Son of God by birth, character and resurrection.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
And yes God does have a soul. Jeremiah 32:41
That's just anthropomorphism, i.e. ascribing human form to a non-human entity. Any mention of God in the OT is essentially anthropomorphism. Just because God is described as a "he" with human attributes doesn't mean he's a mortal man. Jer. 32:40 says I'll put my fear in their hearts. What does the creator of the universe fear? What does he have to be afraid of? Obviously this applies to "My people" in Jer. 32:38, not God himself. Same as "soul" and "heart" in Jer. 32:41.
It can be translated in various ways depending on the context. Numerous versions opted to say the soul of Jesus was made a offering for sins. Since he isn't God, the soul of Jesus dying is a valid translation. The version I quoted happened to be the ESV.
"Soul" is not a composite of intelligence, memory and consciousness as most people think. In other words, "soul" is not a ghost trapped in the vessel of mortal body. This is a common misconception based on dualistic gnosticism. A good example is doubting Thomas who thought he was seeing a ghost. This view was debunked by Paul in 1 Cor. 15:35-49 where he explaiend what to expect in resurrection after death.
 
I would be interested in how you understand the following:
Peter was explaining that those 3000's baptism of the Holy Spirit is the fulfillment of OT prophecy, specifically, Joel 2:28-32 and Ps 16:8-11, not them getting drunk.
I am not denying Jesus and I am not denying the power of God by which Jesus performed those miracles.
I never accused you of either.
Jesus is not "just a man", he is a "unique" man, "Only-Begotten", specially prepared for his role and ministry, the Son of God by birth, character and resurrection.
No he isn't, and I wasn't responding to you in the post you are quoting.
 
Greetings again Carry_Your_Name and SolaScriptura,
Peter was explaining that those 3000's baptism of the Holy Spirit is the fulfillment of OT prophecy, specifically, Joel 2:28-32 and Ps 16:8-11, not them getting drunk.
You did not answer my question.
I never accused you of either.
No he isn't, and I wasn't responding to you in the post you are quoting.
I know you were not speaking to me, but you were disagreeing with my understanding of what the Bible actually teaches.

so according to you, Jesus Christ is Created?
He was like any other human, having a father and mother Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35. As such he is also the firstborn of the new creation:
Psalm 8:3–6 (KJV): 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

Kind regards
Trevor
 
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Greetings again Carry_Your_Name and SolaScriptura,

You did not answer my question.


I know you were not speaking to me, but you were disagreeing with my understanding of what the Bible actually teaches.


He was like any other human, having a father and mother Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35. As such he is also the firstborn of the new creation:
Psalm 8:3–6 (KJV): 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

Kind regards
Trevor

In the first place, read Luke 3:23

"Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the Son of Joseph, the son of Heli"

Do you see the word SUPPOSED here? that is because Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus Christ, but ADOPTIVE

Secondly, the term FIRSTBORN means to hold the HIGHEST place, as is very clear of David, "Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth" (Psalm 89:27)

Again, your theology is proven FALSE from the Holy Bible!
 
There was no belief about Jesus being God in the New Testament. They all clearly understood Jesus was a man through whom God acted.

Acts 2
22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.
There was and is considerable belief that Jesus's Sonship began before the world was made not in Mary's womb. That His nature was God. He is not the person of the Father is true. The debate was is He a Son with a beginning not a glorified Man. No church Father nor what John, the writer of Hebrews, and Paul wrote align with your theological beliefs. Yet reject all the proof texts given and you align yourself with biblical Unitarians a relatively much more modern movement. They left the church, its stated beliefs, introduced a different doctrine of stated faith statements and established what they call themselves Biblical Unitarians. By their own acts in leaving and renaming themselves they are not Christians. You make absolute false statements that nobody held the nature of the Son was the Fathers nature as we, and the early church Fathers read clearly about the eternal life who was with the Father from the beginning and "that" life appeared. He was seen, touched and heard. -Still that same life who existed from the beginning with the Father.

This is a craftsman's context in regard to Jesus and the creation , the life who appeared. Who through the Spirit was made flesh.
The did not recognize Him. They crucified Him.
John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
 
Greetings again SolaScriptura,
In the first place, read Luke 3:23
"Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the Son of Joseph, the son of Heli"
Do you see the word SUPPOSED here? that is because Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus Christ, but ADOPTIVE
Yes I agree, and I have already quoted Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35 which teaches that the One God, Yahweh, God the Father was the father of Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit, not Joseph. Whose "theology is false" here?
Secondly, the term FIRSTBORN means to hold the HIGHEST place, as is very clear of David, "Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth" (Psalm 89:27)
Yes, Jesus has been exalted to the highest place, but he is also God's firstborn, both in his birth and resurrection.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Became flesh through the Spirit
and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

Or was declared with power to be the Son of God
Yes, the same Holy Spirit that overshadowed Mary.
 
Greetings again SolaScriptura,

Yes I agree, and I have already quoted Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35 which teaches that the One God, Yahweh, God the Father was the father of Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit, not Joseph. Whose "theology is false" here?

Yes, Jesus has been exalted to the highest place, but he is also God's firstborn, both in his birth and resurrection.

Kind regards
Trevor

You reject what the Bible actually says because it disagrees with your personal opinion. It is a waste of time discussing with you
 
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