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Jesus is the only access to God, you don't know the God you think you're worshipping without Jesus, I told you this many times. "you worship a god you don't know," John 4:22. Denying Jesus is forgivable, but denying the power of God by which Jesus performed those miracles is the unforgivable sin.
What do you think it means that no man comes to the Father except through Jesus?
Whoever said that is what I am doing? If denying Jesus is forgivable, but denying God is not forgivable, then Jesus isn't God. Which one do you think I am doing?
It's not what I think, but what you think. Jesus was not one of the prophets, he's God in human form. Till today, Jews, muslims and many non religious people respect Jesus as a good teacher and prophet, you seem to be one of them, because if you insist Jesus is just a man, then that's the foregone conclusion.
Neither. Denying the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
The bible says Jesus is a prophet but not God in human form. He was a sinless man with a sinless soul. When he died, the soul of Jesus died with him, not just a body. The soul of God doesn't die my friend. The one and only true God, the Father, resurrected Jesus. That's sola scriptura.
Correct. Thanks for sharing.
"Soul", nephesh in Hebrew or phyche in Greek, means a living being by biblical definition, and a "soul" was formed out of the dust of the ground, see Gen. 2:7, 2:9 and 2:19. There's Spirit of God, but there's no such a thing as "soul of God", because God is not created, he was the creator of the universe.
It can be translated in various ways depending on the context. Numerous versions opted to say the soul of Jesus was made a offering for sins. Since he isn't God, the soul of Jesus dying is a valid translation. The version I quoted happened to be the ESV.
I would be interested in how you understand the following:
I am not denying Jesus and I am not denying the power of God by which Jesus performed those miracles.
Jesus is not "just a man", he is a "unique" man, "Only-Begotten", specially prepared for his role and ministry, the Son of God by birth, character and resurrection.
That's just anthropomorphism, i.e. ascribing human form to a non-human entity. Any mention of God in the OT is essentially anthropomorphism. Just because God is described as a "he" with human attributes doesn't mean he's a mortal man. Jer. 32:40 says I'll put my fear in their hearts. What does the creator of the universe fear? What does he have to be afraid of? Obviously this applies to "My people" in Jer. 32:38, not God himself. Same as "soul" and "heart" in Jer. 32:41.
"Soul" is not a composite of intelligence, memory and consciousness as most people think. In other words, "soul" is not a ghost trapped in the vessel of mortal body. This is a common misconception based on dualistic gnosticism. A good example is doubting Thomas who thought he was seeing a ghost. This view was debunked by Paul in 1 Cor. 15:35-49 where he explaiend what to expect in resurrection after death.
Peter was explaining that those 3000's baptism of the Holy Spirit is the fulfillment of OT prophecy, specifically, Joel 2:28-32 and Ps 16:8-11, not them getting drunk.
I never accused you of either.
No he isn't, and I wasn't responding to you in the post you are quoting.
You did not answer my question.
I know you were not speaking to me, but you were disagreeing with my understanding of what the Bible actually teaches.
He was like any other human, having a father and mother Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35. As such he is also the firstborn of the new creation:
Became flesh through the Spirit
There was and is considerable belief that Jesus's Sonship began before the world was made not in Mary's womb. That His nature was God. He is not the person of the Father is true. The debate was is He a Son with a beginning not a glorified Man. No church Father nor what John, the writer of Hebrews, and Paul wrote align with your theological beliefs. Yet reject all the proof texts given and you align yourself with biblical Unitarians a relatively much more modern movement. They left the church, its stated beliefs, introduced a different doctrine of stated faith statements and established what they call themselves Biblical Unitarians. By their own acts in leaving and renaming themselves they are not Christians. You make absolute false statements that nobody held the nature of the Son was the Fathers nature as we, and the early church Fathers read clearly about the eternal life who was with the Father from the beginning and "that" life appeared. He was seen, touched and heard. -Still that same life who existed from the beginning with the Father.
Yes I agree, and I have already quoted Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35 which teaches that the One God, Yahweh, God the Father was the father of Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit, not Joseph. Whose "theology is false" here?
Yes, Jesus has been exalted to the highest place, but he is also God's firstborn, both in his birth and resurrection.
