The disciples of Jesus also did healings and casted out demons.
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Carry_Your_Name
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You know how that worked? Because even demons acknowledge Jesus's authority, they admit he's God, while you don't. Also, the disciples performed those miracles on behalf of Jesus, not by their own authority and their own power.
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The Word is with God and was God, not a characteristic of God. You write your own scripture, and cannot see the actual text veiled by it.
I'm done.
GodsGrace
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There is nothing to suggest that it is a mere personification. The Word is God in nature, as John 1:1 states and 1:2-18 support, in addition to other passages:
Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.
Mat 1:19 And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly.
Mat 1:20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
Mat 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”
Mat 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:
Mat 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us). (ESV)
Luk 1:34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God. (ESV)
Jhn 8:23 He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
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Jhn 8:42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.
1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. (ESV)
Php 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. (ESV)
Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
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Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
Heb 1:10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;
Heb 1:11 they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment,
Heb 1:12 like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.” (ESV)
While additional verses could be added, there simply is no way to understand the totality of the evidence other than saying that the Son has always existed, being God in nature and the eternal, pre-existent Word.
There is much support for the Son being the eternally pre-existent Word and God in nature. There is not one verse to suggest the Word is personification.
It was a miracle in Acts 2.
Carry_Your_Name
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The way I see it, what's really a miracle is that they were spontaneously praising God and testifying the mighty works of God altogether. It's the content of their speech, not the form.
They were speaking in languages that they didn’t know, only being able to do so by the Holy Spirit:
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. (ESV)
Carry_Your_Name
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No, you're just playing word game. "Son of God" is the same as "God the Son". But to be honest, I don't like the rhetoric of "God the Son" as much as you do, it sounds awkward.
Then why does Paul say an interpreter is expected?
Carry_Your_Name
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Then we better agree to disagree. Perhaps, a more accurate description of that miracle on the day of Pentecost is that everybody was HEARING in their native tongue, not speaking in foreign language. Those people were pilgrims and also very likely all Jewish proselytes, everybody at the time could speak some simple Aramaic or Greek for communication purpose, Paul spoke in Greek throughout his whole missionary journey except when he testified at Jerusalem, that's hardly qualified as a miracle.
... we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God. (Acts 2:11)
Carry_Your_Name
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Because we're called to preach the gospel and discern the signs of time to the whole world. An interpreter is expected and required when your audience don't understand much English.
There is only one way to understand verse 4: “…began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
The only understanding of this verse is that it was the speaking of other languages that was enabled by the Spirit. Whereas verse 11 (and 6 and 8) is about hearing what was spoken. There is not only nothing to suggest the Holy Spirit enabled the hearing of other tongues, but it doesn’t make sense to suggest it.
Verse 4 clearly states the disciples spoke in other languages, enabled by the Holy Spirit. Yet, in verses 6, 8, and 11 all have the listeners saying that they were hearing in their own languages. Hearing something in one’s own language isn’t a miracle when someone else is speaking in that language.
[Acts 2:8 ESV] 8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? Carry_Your_Name
None of them believed Jesus is God. What you have is called a bias. You make an exception for one person that you don't make for the others who did the exact same things.
Anyway, your premise was debunked. Care to take another swing at something Jesus did that allegedly made him God?
The disciples were the ones speaking in other languages, as enabled by the Holy Spirit. It really can’t be more clear than that.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 2:5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
Act 2:6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language.
Act 2:7 And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? (ESV)
You have head knowledge of what the plain text of most Bible say, but you didn't actually look into it beyond the surface level.
John 1:1 is actually a mistranslation, likely motivated by bias. This is evident by the mass of scripture that contradicts it.
In John 1:1 he absence of the article (“the”) before “God” in the Greek makes the word “God” qualitative, which can be understood as “the Word had the character of God,” meaning that it was godly. There literally isn't a scholarly or academic way to make the word literally God Himself.
Let's ask a question of self-reflection.
If "Son of God" is equal to "God the Son" then it is your belief is that people who are resurrected become Lord God Almighty?
Luke 20
34Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. 36In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God.
You’re fallaciously begging the question. This is made all the more apparent since Thomas clearly thought Jesus was God:
Jhn 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” (ESV)
That is in addition to what John writes in his prologue and records of what Jesus says about himself. The disciples also worshiped Jesus on several occasions, and believed he came from God, as he said.