Unique, Not Only-Begotten

[7thMoon]

I realized this.
Sorry!

The Apostles taught about God?
Sure. Because they were teaching about Jesus.
Jesus sent the Apostles on the mission to teach the nations what Jesus had taught them.

Matthew 28:19-20
19“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”


Jesus told the Apostles to MAKE DISCIPLES.....not to teach them that God exists.
Although some countries were pantheistic, such as Greece, so they had to first teach them about the ONE TRUE GOD. YAHWEH.

Disciples are persons that follow Jesus.
If Jesus is not God, why would anyone want to follow Him?
This would be idolatry.


And Jesus told the Apostles to baptize in the name of THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.
THREE.

Into a name of a father, and of a son, and of a holy spirit. Ονομος meaning name is more abstract then you think it is.

3 in ONE GOD.

Pau was converting people to the Israelite Religion?
You mean Paul was trying to make Jews out of the nations?

What is an Enochian Evacuation?

Israel stopped existing after the Roman invasion. No Israelite slaves were taken. It is the power of YHWH.

When did this occur?

Close to 70 AD

Do you have scripture for this?

[Matthew 16:28 RSV] 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
[Mark 9:1 RSV] 1 And he said to them, "Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power."
[Luke 9:27 RSV] 27 But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God."
[John 8:52 RSV] 52 The Jews said to him, "Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, as did the prophets; and you say, 'If any one keeps my word, he will never taste death.'
[Hebrews 2:9 RSV] 9 But we see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

I agree with your understanding of Acts 17.29 except that you use the word GODS, I think you meant GOD....that God is not to be compared with the gods of the greeks that were made of gold, silver, concrete, marble, and whatever else.
(graven images that were worshipped).

I meant God's. oops indeed. The godhood or an action of God etc.

However I don't know how you understand from this that God is greater than Jesus.
Did they have a graven image of Jesus in Athens?

The Eastern churches have many "icons" i.e. idols.

 

[Free]

Into a name of a father, and of a son, and of a holy spirit.

No. What you have given makes the whole verse utterly meaningless and nonsensical. Do you even realize that you also have Jesus saying “Go therefore and make disciples of all a nations”? “All a nations”? Does that make any sense to you?

Each of the nouns has the definite article:

Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all [the] nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (ESV)

Jesus is obviously speaking in specifics, referring to a specific name (likely YHWH), a specific Father (his Father), a specific Son (himself), and a specific Holy Spirit (the only one, who sanctifies and comforts).

Ονομος meaning name is more abstract then you think it is.

Please, elaborate.

 

[7thMoon]

No. What you have given makes the whole verse utterly meaningless and nonsensical.

It is only one name being Emmanuel.

Each of the nouns has the definite article:

Again, I don't agree that the article is a definite one.

Please, elaborate.

Names are actually synonymous with nouns and encompass things like reputation. The ὄνομα is Emmanuel, "With us is the God"

 

[Free]

It is only one name being Emmanuel.

On what basis is the name Immanuel? That is the name applied to Jesus, but he is only the Son, not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.

Again, I don't agree that the article is a definite one.

The definite article is, by definition, definite. Your rendering of the verse is completely nonsensical and has Jesus speaking gibberish.

Names are actually synonymous with nouns and encompass things like reputation.

On this I agree. As M. R. Vincent puts it:

"The name is not the mere designation, a sense which would give to the baptismal formula merely the force of a charm. The name, as in the Lord's Prayer (“Hallowed be thy name”), is the expression of the sum total of the divine Being: not his designation as God or Lord, but the formula in which all his attributes and characteristics are summed up. It is equivalent to his person. The finite mind can deal with him only through his name; but his name is of no avail detached from his nature. When one is baptized into the name of the Trinity, he professes to acknowledge and appropriate God in all that he is and in all that he does for man. He recognizes and depends upon God the Father as his Creator and Preserver; receives Jesus Christ as his only Mediator and Redeemer, and his pattern of life; and confesses the Holy Spirit as his Sanctifier and Comforter."

It is very Trinitarian. The name is that of all three persons. To have the Father share a name with a mere creature, and whatever else you want the Holy Spirit to be (it makes no sense be the Father), would be blasphemous.

The ὄνομα is Emmanuel, "With us is the God"

Again, on what basis is that the name? Also, you just contradicted everything you’ve said about the definite article. The Greek of Matt 1:23 has ho Theos, so according to what you have been constantly arguing, Immanuel means “With us is a God.” But that is not what you wrote.

 

[7thMoon]

On what basis is the name Immanuel? That is the name applied to Jesus, but he is only the Son, not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.

It isn't applied to Jesus and isn't a personal name given its meaning.

And I typed, "With us, is the God", not "With us, is a God", but you would be correct. "With us, is a God"

 

[Runningman]

That doesn't negate that God created through and by Jesus where it is clearly shown.

Col 1:15-20 speaks for itself. It highlights the supremacy of Christ in regard to Jesus as before all things. The creation of all those things through Him, The resurrection, The Church. We take it as truth not exaggeration. I have no reason to believe the audience who first received that letter didn't accept it as Paul stated. Do you have any proof of that?
How could this be made clearer for any audience? For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

You simply do not believe what was written. Otherwise, you would be proclaiming it as so.

How about here? And if not then just as you reason not in the Supremacy of Christ either.
But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.

So Colossians 1:23 is not literally every creature but in Colossians 1:16 literally all things were created through Christ? That is the problem speaking in absolutes. It takes some measure and balance to rightly divide the word. If it can can shown at least one time that not literally all things were not created through Jesus then that should be the cue to seek a more appropriate interpretation. So I would again defer to back to Acts 4:23-31 where Jesus is demonstrably not the creator. Let's be truth seekers and fact finders rather than searching for what confirms our biases.

 

[7thMoon]

At Christ all things were made, but not by him. The Greek preposition is εν.

 

[Randy]

So Colossians 1:23 is not literally every creature but in Colossians 1:16 literally all things were created through Christ? That is the problem speaking in absolutes. It takes some measure and balance to rightly divide the word. If it can can shown at least one time that not literally all things were not created through Jesus then that should be the cue to seek a more appropriate interpretation. So I would again defer to back to Acts 4:23-31 where Jesus is demonstrably not the creator. Let's be truth seekers and fact finders rather than searching for what confirms our biases.

It is cohesive with John and Hebrews and with 1 God the Father from whom all things came and 1 Lord Jesus Christ through all things came. The problem in not in the text but in your heart as you read what it states and know what in states but don't believe in what it states. You desire for us in your outreach agenda to join your unbelief? I decline.

It is the Fathers nature in Jesus not His own hence the image of the invisible God not the invisible God. He is all that the Father is and they are one.
The Fathers nature in Christ created. In Him, by Him and through Him all things were created. Paul adds for Him as well.
As in God the Father brought into existence all things by His will and at His command through Jesus.

I am greatly influenced by the Spirit of Christ in me. My fellowship is with Him and the Father. I asked Him about the trinity, and I know exactly who He is, and I believe ALL that is written of Him and in the only true God the Father.

 

[Runningman]

It is cohesive with John and Hebrews and with 1 God the Father from whom all things came and 1 Lord Jesus Christ through all things came. The problem in not in the text but in your heart as you read what it states and know what in states but don't believe in what it states. You desire for us in your outreach agenda to join your unbelief? I decline.

I agree with in 1 Corinthians 8:6 but isn't it clear there that the one and only God is the Father?

It is the Fathers nature in Jesus not His own hence the image of the invisible God not the invisible God. He is all that the Father is and they are one.
The Fathers nature in Christ created. In Him, by Him and through Him all things were created. Paul adds for Him as well.
As in God the Father brought into existence all things by His will and at His command through Jesus.

Partaking of the divine nature, being filled with the fullness of the Deity, isn't something exclusive to Jesus. It can't be used as something that says "Ah ha! That means Jesus is God!"

2 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Ephesians 3
19of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

I am greatly influenced by the Spirit of Christ in me. My fellowship is with Him and the Father. I asked Him about the trinity, and I know exactly who He is, and I believe ALL that is written of Him and in the only true God the Father.

I've also asked God about it and God confirms what the Bible says. Jesus is God's beloved Son and servant, but not God himself. We belong to Jesus and Jesus belongs to God.

1 Corinthians 3
23and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

 

[Randy]

I agree with in 1 Corinthians 8:6 but isn't it clear there that the one and only God is the Father?

You only agree with what fits your theology not all that is stated in that statement. But you know what it states.
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Partaking of the divine nature, being filled with the fullness of the Deity, isn't something exclusive to Jesus. It can't be used as something that says "Ah ha! That means Jesus is God!"

Fullness in Christ is not Fullness of God the Fathers Deity
You think Jesus was filled with the Spirit of Christ? Even that I don't find humorous.

2 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Clearly the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 3
19of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

There is a distinction made by that same writer.
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.
And in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge

I've also asked God about it and God confirms what the Bible says. Jesus is God's beloved Son and servant, but not God himself. We belong to Jesus and Jesus belongs to God.

Yes but about that Son -Hebrews 1
And the meaning of Col 1:19 is all that the Father is was pleased to dwell in that Son who is the beginning of the creation of the Father and so that Son alone is the only like to like begotten Son of the Father and clearly stated before All things.

1 Corinthians 3
23and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

All that belongs to the Father is His as well. Yes, the Father is His God and the only true God. We are discussing the Son.

 

[Runningman]

You only agree with what fits your theology not all that is stated in that statement. But you know what it states.
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

I agree with all of it, but my primary focus is on the part you seem to be reject. Yes, there is one Lord. Jesus is Lord of the church, but the Lord of Jesus is God.

Colossians 1
18And He is the head of the body, the church;

1 Corinthians 11
3...the head of Christ is God.

Fullness in Christ is not Fullness of God the Fathers Deity
You think Jesus was filled with the Spirit of Christ? Even that I don't find humorous.

Christ isn't Jesus' name. It's an anointing that God gave him.

Acts 2
36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

Clearly the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Indeed.

There is a distinction made by that same writer.
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.
And in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge

Yes and as you may be noticing, there is a lot of overlap between who Jesus the Christ is and the members of the church who are to be Christ list. Maturing to the full measure of the stature of Christ has nothing to do with becoming God. It's an anointing.

Ephesians 4
13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ.
14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed about by the waves and carried around by every wind of teaching and by the clever cunning of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into Christ Himself, who is the head.

Yes but about that Son -Hebrews 1
And the meaning of Col 1:19 is all that the Father is was pleased to dwell in that Son who is the beginning of the creation of the Father and so that Son alone is the only like to like begotten Son of the Father and clearly stated before All things.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

All that belongs to the Father is His as well. Yes, the Father is His God and the only true God. We are discussing the Son.

All things also belong to the church. The church are heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ.

Romans 8
17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.

I hope you are beginning to see all that Jesus has we can have too. Jesus is our example, not God.

 

[Randy]

I agree with all of it, but my primary focus is on the part you seem to be reject. Yes, there is one Lord. Jesus is Lord of the church, but the Lord of Jesus is God.

No you don't agree with all of it as all things that came from God were through Jesus and you believe His life began in Mary's womb as opposed to the eternal life who was with the Father in the beginning. The very same life that appeared and was seen, heard and touched. The one John and the other Apostles are testifying about.

Colossians 1
18And He is the head of the body, the church;

Yes He has that Supremacy as well as in the creation and the resurrection but again you only select/believe in what fits your theology. Yet you know all that is stated.

1 Corinthians 11
3...the head of Christ is God.

Yes but that doesn't negate the testimony in regard to the Son who was and is now.

Christ isn't Jesus' name. It's an anointing that God gave him.

Yes but that doesn't negate the testimony in regard to the Son who was and is now. Has anyone stated Christ was His actual name yet He is referred as Christ Jesus in the NT.

Acts 2
36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

As in one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Indeed.

Yes and as you may be noticing, there is a lot of overlap between who Jesus the Christ is and the members of the church who are to be Christ list. Maturing to the full measure of the stature of Christ has nothing to do with becoming God. It's an anointing.

He is all that the Father is and only in that context is He stated as God. The eternal life in the Son is the Father. As I stated it is the Fathers nature in Him not HIS OWN. He is the image of the Father.
John 6:57
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

Ephesians 4
13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ.
14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed about by the waves and carried around by every wind of teaching and by the clever cunning of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into Christ Himself, who is the head.

I'm not tossed as I stand firm in the truth as in understanding given to me from above and the testimony. I don't just believe in Him I know Him.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

When you make such statements can not the same thing be stated of you? Or are you declaring yourself the Vicar of Christ?

All things also belong to the church. The church are heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ.

All that belongs to the Father also belongs to Jesus.
The Church of the Firstborn.
The Church is the body of Christ. In that regard Jesus stated to the Father "They were yours you gave them to me"

Romans 8
17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.

I hope you are beginning to see all that Jesus has we can have too. Jesus is our example, not God.

Jesus is the (heir) of all things by Gods will.
Hebrews 1
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe

Gal 3:29
Those who belong to Christ are heirs in regard to this promise.
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You do seem to equate having a divine nature and all the fullness of God with having the fullness in Christ.
Hmm. That doesn't bode well with a glorified man theory.

 

[Runningman]

No you don't agree

Yes I do.

with all of it as all things that came from God were through Jesus and you believe His life began in Mary's womb as opposed to the eternal life who was with the Father in the beginning. The very same life that appeared and was seen, heard and touched. The one John and the other Apostles are testifying about.

Then provide an example of Jesus saying or doing anything pre-existing his humanity. If he's God you should have a rich plethora of scripture filled with actions and quotes from the Bible. They don't exist. The evidence is solidly not in your favor. It's in my favor.

Yes He has that Supremacy as well as in the creation and the resurrection but again you only select/believe in what fits your theology. Yet you know all that is stated.

I believe the entire bible.

Yes but that doesn't negate the testimony in regard to the Son who was and is now.

"All things" or "everything" is not always literal when it can be demonstrated to not be literal.

Yes but that doesn't negate the testimony in regard to the Son who was and is now. Has anyone stated Christ was His actual name yet He is referred as Christ Jesus in the NT.

I am just pointing out that when God made Jesus the Christ, it refers to an anointing because you were talking about the spirit of Christ.

As in one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Wonderful, love that verse. And one God known as the Father. Understand?

He is all that the Father is and only in that context is He stated as God.

He isn't God. Remember, One God the Father.

The eternal life in the Son is the Father. As I stated it is the Fathers nature in Him not HIS OWN. He is the image of the Father.

The eternal life that was with the Father is called an it in 1 John 1:1,2.

John 6:57
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

Amen.

I'm not tossed as I stand firm in the truth as in understanding given to me from above and the testimony. I don't just believe in Him I know Him.

You don't have the truth about who God is.

When you make such statements can not the same thing be stated of you? Or are you declaring yourself the Vicar of Christ?

On this particular point I definitely have the scriptural backing to prove I know who God is. I am trying to help you, but it seems like everyone here just wants to debate. I will go the extra mile as necessary though.

All that belongs to the Father also belongs to Jesus.
The Church of the Firstborn.
The Church is the body of Christ. In that regard Jesus stated to the Father "They were yours you gave them to me"

Christ, the firstborn among many brothers. Firthborn isn't only in regards to rank, but also offspring.

Jesus is the (heir) of all things by Gods will.
Hebrews 1
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe

And we are co-heirs with Christ... which means we are also the heir of all things.

The universe wasn't made through the Son. That word means ages or a cycle of time. It's a corruption of the text to say universe.

Gal 3:29
Those who belong to Christ are heirs in regard to this promise.
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If we are heirs with Christ then we are not God and neither is Jesus.

You do seem to equate having a divine nature and all the fullness of God with having the fullness in Christ.
Hmm. That doesn't bode well with a glorified man theory.

You seem to equate a man with being God. That doesn't bode well with anything.

 

[Free]

It isn't applied to Jesus and isn't a personal name given its meaning.

It certainly is applied to Jesus:

Mat 1:20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
Mat 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”
Mat 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:
Mat 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us). (ESV)

Matthew wrote that under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

And I typed, "With us, is the God", not "With us, is a God", but you would be correct. "With us, is a God"

Except that is not correct; “the God” is correct.

 

[7thMoon]

It certainly is applied to Jesus:

Mat 1:20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
Mat 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”
Mat 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:
Mat 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us). (ESV)

Matthew wrote that under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Who cares? The English translation is not the scriptures.
καὶ καλέσουσιν τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἐμμανουήλ And they will a call a name of his Emmanuel. And it makes sense. It isn't the only name to exist. Emmanuel is a shared name.

Except that is not correct; “the God” is correct.

In the Aramaic, it is probably "the God". But "a God" ὁ θεός was on the side of the God-fearers, to which the gospel of John was written.

 

[Randy]

Yes I do.

If you agreed that God brought all things into existence through and by and for Jesus we would be in agreement we are not like minded in that outlook. You think Paul exaggerated the glory Jesus had with the Father before the world began.

Then provide an example of Jesus saying or doing anything pre-existing his humanity. If he's God you should have a rich plethora of scripture filled with actions and quotes from the Bible. They don't exist. The evidence is solidly not in your favor. It's in my favor.

You mean like before Abraham was born and does this offend you then what if you see me ascend to where I was before and glorify in your "presence" with the glory I had with you before the world began or that He spoke to us of things He saw in His Fathers "presence" or He was a eyewitness of Satan's fall from heaven.
You have the Apostles testimony in addition to His in many statements of His glory with the Father in the beginning.
Ephesians 4:10
He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.

I believe the entire bible.

That's a not honest statement. You are following another spirit.

"All things" or "everything" is not always literal when it can be demonstrated to not be literal.

The craftsman's context in regard to the creation through the Son is stated truth in several places in the NT and they are cohesive with one another.

I am just pointing out that when God made Jesus the Christ, it refers to an anointing because you were talking about the spirit of Christ.

Born from the Father before all things.

Wonderful, love that verse. And one God known as the Father. Understand?

Yes but again we are discussing the Son.

He isn't God. Remember, One God the Father.

He is all that the Father is and its the Fathers nature that was gifted to Him Col 1:19
And a distinction was made in the glory He received from the Father then from what we received from the Father as He blessed us with every spiritual blessing in Christ
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have come to fullness in him, who is the head of every ruler and authority

The eternal life that was with the Father is called an it in 1 John 1:1,2.

If thats included in the english translation but the witness is of the very same "life" that appeared -Jesus. The importance is in the word eternal "life"
Net Bible
This is what we proclaim to you:[a] what was from the beginning,[b] what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and our hands have touched (concerning the word of life— 2 and the life was revealed, and we have seen and testify and announce[c] to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us).[d] 3 What we have seen and heard we announce[e] to you too, so that[f] you may have fellowship[g] with us (and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ). 4 Thus[h] we are writing these things so that[i] our[j] joy may be complete.[

Amen.


You don't have the truth about who God is.

I believe in one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ
I believe it is the fullness of the Fathers Deity that was gifted to dwell in the Son. Col 1:19 God from true God. The Son's nature is all the fullness of God the "Father".

You believe in a glorified man.

On this particular point I definitely have the scriptural backing to prove I know who God is. I am trying to help you, but it seems like everyone here just wants to debate. I will go the extra mile as necessary though.

You invite me to join your unbelief. I decline. I may have to stop the debate as I have no desire to go in circles all day every day with you.

Christ, the firstborn among many brothers. Firthborn isn't only in regards to rank, but also offspring.

The firstborn from the dead means the first to rise from the dead. Given the Supremacy.
The firstborn of all creation means?
The beginning of the creation of God means?
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

And we are co-heirs with Christ... which means we are also the heir of all things.

You thing that all that belongs to the Father is yours as well? Doesn't the body of Christ belong to Him alone.
All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

The universe wasn't made through the Son. That word means ages or a cycle of time. It's a corruption of the text to say universe.

I read that is was. John, Hebrews 1; 1 Corinthians 8:6.

If we are heirs with Christ then we are not God and neither is Jesus.

Context Context
Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is
No, He has always been the Son

Jesus has life in Himself. The Fathers nature

You seem to equate a man with being God. That doesn't bode well with anything.

I never stated Jesus was a glorified man you did.
So how so?

 

[Free]

Who cares? The English translation is not the scriptures.
καὶ καλέσουσιν τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἐμμανουήλ And they will a call a name of his Emmanuel. And it makes sense. It isn't the only name to exist. Emmanuel is a shared name.

How is this relevant?

In the Aramaic, it is probably "the God". But "a God" ὁ θεός was on the side of the God-fearers, to which the gospel of John was written.

In Greek, ὁ θεός is "the God." You are promoting polytheism, which is unbiblical and anti-Christ.

 

[miamited]

Hi SolaScriptura

There are a lot of posts here and I'm not about to read through all of them. So maybe this point has been brought out previously. And if so, my apologies for bringing it out again, but...

Jesus is God's only begotten Son. It's imperative that we understand what 'begotten' means. Let's see what the Scriptures say. Adam 'begat' Seth. As we follow along with all of the begats and begottens, I think it clear that begotten refers to something that came from something/someone that previously existed. Jesus was born of a human woman. He was carried in her womb for 9 months. Then he was born. That is what 'begotten' means. To be born from another.

Adam wasn't born. He was just created as he was. God's account is that Adam was born of the earth. Jesus, the Scriptures tell us was born of a woman. That's begotten. Jesus is God's only begotten Son.

God bless,
Ted

 

[7thMoon]

How is this relevant?

I can't help it that Emmanuel is Aramaic and without article.

In Greek, ὁ θεός is "the God." You are promoting polytheism, which is unbiblical and anti-Christ.

How so? I am not promoting anything of the sort.

 

[7thMoon]

Jesus is God's only begotten Son.

Jesus is God's uniquely begotten son.