Unsaved people are judged according to their works.
When you are trying to be specific, it helps to offer a verse or two on what you are trying to say. I offered 8 links on the words , like ordained. Did you read them? If something comes to pass, it was ordained to come to pass.
That does not mean that God [causes} wicked men to sin. They sin because they desire to sin, and are accountable.
Go back and follow my back and forth with wondering. She does not react to the 8 links, looks to side step them , then resume her agenda. So she asks the same questions repeatedly, and will still be still asking the same questions years from now, unless she works through the data.
My position is derived from scripture R so you need to dismantle or correct the scriptures I offer. Scripture can contain logic.
Works of the law do not actually save. Paul in Romans 2 is explaining the fruit of the wicked, and the fruit of the righteous.
I said earlier that a scripture based thought can be logical. here your logic is being twisted to denigrate scriptural truth. Those like you at this present time, infighting the biblical truths known as Calvinism, become irrational, andoffer foolish ,emotional objections that do not stand up under scrutiny
To speak of God in this way is exceedingly profane. God has a perfect eternal plan. He does not "pull strings".
He plans and purposes what he intends to do, and He always gets it done.
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
R this is the biblical God. This is what calvinists are posting about. This is what your
'logic", and comments are opposing.
R...your rebellion is duty noted. I am not your judge, but can only offer correction and urge you to keep studying until you find the truth.
It seems that way to you and several others who lack understanding, and instead create strawmen to fight against. I cannot make you or anyone understand and believe it, I can just declare as you set your face against the God who has revealed Himself, and invent your own version who does what you think he should do.
Others who post as you do say things like ;
I cannot worship a God who- sends people to hell,who sent a worldwide flood, who ordered Israel to kill men, woman, and children.
Again, the fruit,not the root.
