Was Adam imparted free will from the beginning of Creation?

[Oseas]

I can't read what you say- who throws demonic out there all the time. You sound Cultic.

The time is of harvest, I'm a reaper. My Lord JESUS commanded: Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. The harvest is the END of the world(Matthew 13:39),the current world of the Devil, understand?

Matthew 25:34&41-&46

34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his messengers:
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Revelation 11:15-18 combined with 1Corinthians 15:24-28
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?
Get ready - Matthew 25:6&10

 

[brightfame52]

Corinth77777

When given an option that He could eat off the tree but shouldn't He had a choice.

But it was Gods choice of purpose that he did eat, so Adams choice was determined by Gods choice of purpose, so he had no other option but to choose to disobey.

 

[Corinth77777]

Corinth77777



But it was Gods choice of purpose that he did eat, so Adams choice was determined by Gods choice of purpose, so he had no other option but to choose to disobey.

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[Corinth77777]

Corinth77777



But it was Gods choice of purpose that he did eat, so Adams choice was determined by Gods choice of purpose, so he had no other option but to choose to disobey.

He did have an option- lol to eat off all the other trees in the garden

 

[Corinth77777]

He did have an option- lol to eat off all the other trees in the garden

I believe the idea is this:

Allowing man the choice and knowing what He will do when presented with a choice does not mean He doesn't have free will.

It seems that it's probable God just knows what will happen in different situations.

For example, and my analogy is from a human perspective, My children playing in the back yard are not likely to get ran over by a car, bit by a stray dog, or kidnapped by someone in a car.

God made humans that already had a connection to God, It is fairly possible when the devil temps people He temps them with what has developed in their own heart.

I actually believe that the key is to get a place where in your ability to sin you do not go against your newly developed character. Seeing that scripture says:be transformed by the renewing of the mind.

God created man in His own image

 

[Corinth77777]

Spirituality Made Hard

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There is enough depravity where no one will ever be able to say "I did it." God will not pour holiness upon our heads. God will cooperate with us, but we cannot make it on our own. Total depravity means there is nothing we can do about evil. That is not true. There is just enough depravity so that we must cooperate with God.

 

[Corinth77777]

"The argument states that if God is all-powerful, then he necessarily has the power to sin. However, God must also be all-good, and if he sins he ceases to be God. Therefore, God can be either all-powerful, or all-good, but cannot be both. But ceasing to be either of these also means that he ceases to be God.

Theologians have developed typical arguments to solve this challenge, the primary one being that God, at no expense to his omnipotence, cannot perform “logical contradictions” (such as making a “square circle”). Since a it would be logical contradiction for a being who is perfectly good to commit a sin, God does not compromise his omnipotence by being unable to sin."

The theological response is correct. Also, from the conclusion, this is false:

"In conclusion, this paper has sought to show that while God has the ability to sin (through his omnipotence and creative power), he is certain not to exercise this power because he is perfectly virtuous."

Again, for the very same reason I gave previously: it's based on a misconception of omnipotence that can easily be refuted. God's omnipotence necessarily precludes the ability to do the logically impossible--to perform logical contradictions or go against his nature. It's not a matter of God choosing to not go against his nature, he cannot, or he ceases to be God.

Read this then tell me what you think

Was Christ Capable of Sin?

Tonight’s question for the Question Box is, “Was Christ capable of sinning?” The issue is this – if Christ was not able to sin then he was not really human as we are. In this case, Jesus does not really know what it is to be in our situation, and his perfect obedience before the Father was not a...

www.tenth.org

 

[Corinth77777]

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[brightfame52]

He did have an option- lol to eat off all the other trees in the garden

No he had no other option than to wilfully disobey God and bring sin and death into the world. Jesus was already ordained before the world was created and before adam was created to be the redeemer from sin. 1 Pet 1:20

Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

So Adam had to sin

 

[Corinth77777]

No he had no other option than to wilfully disobey God and bring sin and death into the world. Jesus was already ordained before the world was created and before adam was created to be the redeemer from sin. 1 Pet 1:20

Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

So Adam had to sin

No He did not have to he chose to.
Just because God knew did not mean He didn't have a choice.

 

[brightfame52]

No He did not have to he chose to.
Just because God knew did not mean He didn't have a choice.

Yes Adam had to sin, Jesus was already setup to come into the world and die for sin that Adam would commit. So Adam had to make the choice to sin and incur condemnation Rom 5:18

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

 

[Corinth77777]

Yes Adam had to sin, Jesus was already setup to come into the world and die for sin that Adam would commit. So Adam had to make the choice to sin and incur condemnation Rom 5:18

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Good luck at proving that! Just because God knows what man would do put in a certain situation does not prove Adam had to make that choice.

 

[Oseas]

No he had no other option than to wilfully disobey God and bring sin and death into the world. Jesus was already ordained before the world was created and before adam was created to be the redeemer from sin. 1 Pet 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
So Adam had to sin

Did Adam have to sin? or could he otherwise sin because of his nature in which he was created? But what kind of sin? sin is not imputed when there is no Law, so what kind of sin was committed by Adam? Furthermore, there was a population in the garden of Eden, ruled by a powerful Cherubim-Ezekiel 28:12-15-, and he is the MAN of sin in Genesis 3:1.--> What is hapenning here is that you have been and still is TEMPTED to commit sin like happened with Eve in the beginning-1Timothy 2:14-, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

Be careful, do not give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons.

 

[brightfame52]

Good luck at proving that! Just because God knows what man would do put in a certain situation does not prove Adam had to make that choice.

I Don't have to prove it, scripture declares that Christ was foreordained to die for sin before the world began 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

So adam had no choice but to go along with Gods foreordained purpose.

 

[brightfame52]

Oseas

Did Adam have to sin?

Yes, and wilfully !

But what kind of sin? sin is not imputed when there is no Law, so what kind of sin was committed by Adam?

Gen 2:15-17

15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

[Corinth77777]

I Don't have to prove it, scripture declares that Christ was foreordained to die for sin before the world began 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

So adam had no choice but to go along with Gods foreordained purpose.

There is no "so" Adam had to sin...all there is is that God knew before hand...you can't add what's not there. Lol you can but it still would be false..

 

[follower]

There is no "so" Adam had to sin...all there is is that God knew before hand...you can't add what's not there. Lol you can but it still would be false..

Right, good. Likewise Cain was given a choice - "sin is (or was) crouching at the door" or something like that , eh ?
And later
"Who-so-ever" knows what is right to do, and does not do it, sins. (with whatever consequences as God determines).

 

[brightfame52]

There is no "so" Adam had to sin...all there is is that God knew before hand...you can't add what's not there. Lol you can but it still would be false..

Yes it is a so Adam had to sin, Christ was already preordained to come and die for the sin that Adam would bring into the world 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Free]

Read this then tell me what you think

Was Christ Capable of Sin?

Tonight’s question for the Question Box is, “Was Christ capable of sinning?” The issue is this – if Christ was not able to sin then he was not really human as we are. In this case, Jesus does not really know what it is to be in our situation, and his perfect obedience before the Father was not a...

www.tenth.org

I think this is error: "Jesus Christ, though capable of sinning in his human nature, possessed a divine nature that made such a thing unquestionable. Not because he could not sin, but because he would not sin."

 

[Corinth77777]

Yes it is a so Adam had to sin, Christ was already preordained to come and die for the sin that Adam would bring into the world 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

It doesn't say Adam was ordained to sin..and you can't make it say what it doesn't because you want it to.