Was Adam imparted free will from the beginning of Creation?

[brightfame52]

In John He is talking about a group of people who can't accept Jesus's truth because they think they know the truth.

If they think they know they are not going to receive anything new.

I think you are applying this to some type of election doctrine..

You are resisting, naturally men cant hear spiritually Jn 8:43

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Then Jesus tells us plainly who it is that hears God spiritually Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

To be of God means to be born of God, thats who hears spiritually.

 

[Corinth77777]

You are resisting, naturally men cant hear spiritually Jn 8:43

Sounds like judgement to me...lol as I said earlier of those who trust doctrines rather than Jesus

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Why did they not hear their hearts were not open to the truth. So they cant look to Jesus to even hear

Then Jesus tells us plainly who it is that hears God spiritually Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

You presented some truth here...for they could not look to Jesus in order to hear because they were already looking to the devil. Therefore repentance was necessary.

For this is the will of the father that everyone who looks to the son and believes will have life and be raised on the last day.

Just as John the Baptist told those who were coming to be baptized, called brood of vipers that they needed to bring forth evidence of repentance.

To be of God means to be born of God, thats who hears spiritually.

You are too quick to throw all your eggs in one basket

Is there not a process to a natural birth? Then there might be one to a spiritual birth. And all things don't always move through the whole process.

For example a woman must have egg ready and man must have sperm. And you can think about the rest without me being explicit. Now a zygote/baby yet born can still be OF the mother and father but its not yet born

There are too many proceeding and maybe even unproceeding factors when it comes to the term "of" that stops your thought from being Solid. And I'm not trying to even think about all that can and cannot go into it.

For example why were they of their father the devil because they looked to Him to hear from him and obey. Romans 6 shows this

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

Who does it say yields is referring to..? People
They're yielding to who ever they are looking to.

Going back to Moses in Numberes 21 as this to me was prefigure looking to Christ.

The LORD said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.

And weren't many of us of our father the devil
Who walked after our own nature, in which Jesus came to destroy His works.

Those same people who who looked to the devil to obey can repent. For there is only one unforgivable sin.

So they can also come to hear God and live
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Now Who is He who looks to God? A man with free will who has been presented with an option.

Regardless of what you pull up God gives just enough grace where none will be able to say we did it by ourselves.

 

[brightfame52]

Sounds like judgement to me...lol as I said earlier of those who trust doctrines rather than Jesus

Why did they not hear their hearts were not open to the truth. So they cant look to Jesus to even hear

You presented some truth here...for they could not look to Jesus in order to hear because they were already looking to the devil. Therefore repentance was necessary.

For this is the will of the father that everyone who looks to the son and believes will have life and be raised on the last day.

Just as John the Baptist told those who were coming to be baptized, called brood of vipers that they needed to bring forth evidence of repentance.


You are too quick to throw all your eggs in one basket

Is there not a process to a natural birth? Then there might be one to a spiritual birth. And all things don't always move through the whole process.

For example a woman must have egg ready and man must have sperm. And you can think about the rest without me being explicit. Now a zygote/baby yet born can still be OF the mother and father but its not yet born

There are too many proceeding and maybe even unproceeding factors when it comes to the term "of" that stops your thought from being Solid. And I'm not trying to even think about all that can and cannot go into it.

For example why were they of their father the devil because they looked to Him to hear from him and obey. Romans 6 shows this

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

Who does it say yields is referring to..? People
They're yielding to who ever they are looking to.

Going back to Moses in Numberes 21 as this to me was prefigure looking to Christ.

The LORD said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.

And weren't many of us of our father the devil
Who walked after our own nature, in which Jesus came to destroy His works.

Those same people who who looked to the devil to obey can repent. For there is only one unforgivable sin.

So they can also come to hear God and live
......

Now Who is He who looks to God? A man with free will who has been presented with an option.

Regardless of what you pull up God gives just enough grace where none will be able to say we did it by ourselves.

You ignore what Jesus says, who is it that hears the word of God ? Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Thats why they could not hear in Vs 43, they were not of God. Could not means that lacked the ability to hear.

God has to give that ability to hear in the New Birth Deut 29 4

Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.

 

[Corinth77777]

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You ignore what Jesus says, who is it that hears the word of God ? Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

I'm not ignoring 47-

He that is of God heareth God's word
And we are told why because they were of Satan

Thats why they could not hear in Vs 43, they were not of God. Could not means that lacked the ability to hear.

They had the lack because they continued to listen to Satan.

God has to give that ability to hear in the New Birth Deut 29 4

Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.

And the Gospel is the power of God unto Salvation for everyone that believes what they hear.

 

[brightfame52]

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I'm not ignoring 47-

He that is of God heareth God's word
And we are told why because they were of Satan

They had the lack because they continued to listen to Satan.



And the Gospel is the power of God unto Salvation for everyone that believes what they hear.

You still ignoring Jn 8:47 one must be born of God to hear Gods word

 

[Corinth77777]

You still ignoring Jn 8:47 one must be born of God to hear Gods word

No not ignoring it.
Scripture tells us How we are born again
This doesn't say born again, but "of God"

They were obeying Satan and served Satan when the word came to them. That is not of God

 

[Corinth77777]

You still ignoring Jn 8:47 one must be born of God to hear Gods word

John 7:7
John 7:17 says, "If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority"
This sounds more of God

.....
This only would I learn of you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? .
I like how Dallas describes grace not just as un- merrited favor..but:God acting in our lives to accomplish what we cannot do on our own.

 

[Oseas]

You said a lot, and unfortunately you did not show me that man has no free will. Its after one is born in my opinion that that scripture is speaking of God working in you for his good pleasure..etc
When man is given choices He can choose. He was not made a complete robot. After all Man chose to eat off the tree of knowledge of good and evil instead of eating off every other tree in the garden where He could choose what tree and what fruit.

Your thinking is from a human perspective, not from GOD's perspective.
Didn't you understand what GOD say? Genesis 2:16-17 -> And the Lord GOD COMMANDED(ORDAINED) the man he created, saying,... But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou SHALL NOT EAT OF IT: (Where is the freewill?), for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. GOD had created man not for to die, but to live forever, but the man was, as still is, subject to death if he ate the fruit of death, i.e. the fruit of the MOUTH of the MAN of sin, and GOD warned the man He had created of this danger a priori, I mean previously/in advance. (to understanding better read -Luke 20:35-36).-> The tree of good and evil was the MAN of sin AMONG the others trees. For better understanding, read Job 1:6 combined with 2Thessalonians 2:1-4, thiis will LITERALLY fulfill in days to come ahead. Get ready.
By the way, to understand what GOD meant it is necessary, first of all, to have the Spirit of GOD, understand? By the way, you MUST know that "The last ENEMY that shall be destroyed (ANNIHILATED) is death-1Corinthians 15:26. So ...

The scripture says and as many as received Him He gave them right to become sons of God..
No one is not saying that God doesn't have a way of openining up the mind to the blind. God gives enough of something where no one can claim they did it without God. But certainly I believe people were born with the ability to make choices, and that's what I consider free will.

The demonic theory of freewill is not of you, you have believed it is good for food and desired to make one wise, and it is pleasant to the eyes, so you have eaten of the demonic theory of freewill sowed by the man of sin. You should obey not to desobey GOD's command, so before GOD you are naked.

I didn't ate and don't eat what you offered because it is to death, the content you have posted is not yours, but it was inspired by one deceiving spirit you received from another being like you. And the spirit has power to dominate and even command you as happened in the beginning, around 6000 years ago, when the MAN of sin deceived the woman-Genesis 3:1. , who preaches the same mislead and false interpretation of Scriptures as you do, as an extension of the first who invented and preached the demonic theory of freewill, a demonic theory that leads to death, among countless others that were spread among GOD's people to kill the souls.

Remember Ephesians 6:10-12
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in HIGH places(Ephesians 1:3-8).
11 Put on the whole armour of GOD that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the Devil.-> the MAN of sin.

 

[Oseas]

Willard
"God gives enough where no one can claim they did it without God"

I think it was Him who also said something like this: There is nothing we do without Him and there is certainly nothing going to be down without Him. I have to find the quote.

Why are you go to invoke Willard, a defunct? What is the chaff of his mouth for?

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?
My Lord GOD said: He that hath my Word, let him speak my Word faithfully.

What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord.

Is not my Word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

And my Lord JESUS makes it clear, when He says: Matthew 25:29 - unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

 

[Corinth77777]

Your thinking is from a human perspective, not from GOD's perspective.
Didn't you understand what GOD say? Genesis 2:16-17 -> And the Lord GOD COMMANDED(ORDAINED) the man he created, saying,... But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou SHALL NOT EAT OF IT: (Where is the freewill?),

free will was when He chose to eat off the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. GOD had created man not for to die, but to live forever, but the man was, as still is, subject to death if he ate the fruit of death, i.e. the fruit of the MOUTH of the MAN of sin, and GOD warned the man He had created of this danger a priori, I mean previously/in advance. (to understanding better read -Luke 20:35-36).-> The tree of good and evil was the MAN of sin AMONG the others trees. For better understanding, read Job 1:6 combined with 2Thessalonians 2:1-4, thiis will LITERALLY fulfill in days to come ahead. Get ready.
By the way, to understand what GOD meant it is necessary, first of all, to have the Spirit of GOD, understand? By the way, you MUST know that "The last ENEMY that shall be destroyed (ANNIHILATED) is death-1Corinthians 15:26. So ...

The demonic theory of freewill is not of you, you have believed it is good for food and desired to make one wise, and it is pleasant to the eyes, so you have eaten of the demonic theory of freewill sowed by the man of sin. You should obey not to desobey GOD's command, so before GOD you are naked.

I didn't ate and don't eat what you offered because it is to death, the content you have posted is not yours, but it was inspired by one deceiving spirit you received from another being like you. And the spirit has power to dominate and even command you as happened in the beginning, around 6000 years ago, when the MAN of sin deceived the woman-Genesis 3:1. , who preaches the same mislead and false interpretation of Scriptures as you do, as an extension of the first who invented and preached the demonic theory of freewill, a demonic theory that leads to death, among countless others that were spread among GOD's people to kill the souls.

Remember Ephesians 6:10-12
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in HIGH places(Ephesians 1:3-8).
11 Put on the whole armour of GOD that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the Devil.-> the MAN of sin.

 

[Corinth77777]

Why are you go to invoke Willard, a defunct?

because I agree with Willard

What is the chaff of his mouth for?

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?
My Lord GOD said: He that hath my Word, let him speak my Word faithfully.

What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord.

Is not my Word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

And my Lord JESUS makes it clear, when He says: Matthew 25:29 - unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

 

[brightfame52]

No not ignoring it.
Scripture tells us How we are born again
This doesn't say born again, but "of God"

They were obeying Satan and served Satan when the word came to them. That is not of God

One cannot believe, hear until born again. And of God means born of God, the word of is the greek word ek and means

1. out of, from, by, away from

How is one out of God ? or from God ? John has already stated earlier Jn 1:13

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Peter xplains born of incorruptible seed 1 Pet 1

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

So to be of God is to be already saved, thats how we can hear the word of God, believe the word of God

 

[brightfame52]

John 7:7
John 7:17 says, "If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority"
This sounds more of God

.....
This only would I learn of you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? .
I like how Dallas describes grace not just as un- merrited favor..but:God acting in our lives to accomplish what we cannot do on our own.

You still ignoring Jn 8:47 one must be born of God to hear Gods word

 

[Oseas]

free will was when He chose to eat off the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

No, that was not a freewill, that was a desobedience of the command of GOD, a rebellion against GOD, rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry, understand?
The things you have been posting and insisting on writing them is because your light is going off. You should not to enquire he that has a familiar spirit to interpret the Word of GOD.There are three that testify in heaven-1John 5:7. -> in heaven? Ephesians 1:3-8)
The theory of freewiil is a demonic tares,it will be cast out from heaven and be burned with everlasting fire,understand? The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing.

Be careful my brother in Christ, or else get ready. 1Corinthians 3:13-15

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. (the Day is the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or last Millennium)

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

[Corinth77777]

No, that was not a freewill, that was a desobedience of the command of GOD, a rebellion against GOD, rebellion

Free will as I described my definition is the ability to choose.
He chose to eat off the tree- He chose to rebell, be disobedient..etc..

Any time a person is presented with choice and they choose that proves they have free will.

is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry, understand?
The things you have been posting and insisting on writing them is because your light is going off.

That's like a bald headed man telling me how to grow hair.

You should not to enquire he that has a familiar spirit to interpret the Word of GOD.There are three that testify in heaven-1John 5:7. -> in heaven? Ephesians 1:3-8)

I have a feeling that you believe you are right.

The theory of freewiil is a demonic tares,it will be cast out from heaven and be burned with everlasting fire,understand? The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing.
Be careful my brother in Christ, or else get ready. 1Corinthians 3:13-15

You haven't proved man does not have choice
And you can call people what you want but in the end you've proven nothing.

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. (the Day is the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or last Millennium)

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

[Corinth77777]

John 7:7
John 7:17 says, "If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority"
This sounds more of God

.....
This only would I learn of you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? .
I like how Dallas describes grace not just as un- merrited favor..but:God acting in our lives to accomplish what we cannot do on our own.

John 8
Says "of God"


We dont know how God chooses but its possible that He chooses those doing His will.

Can a none believer cross over to the will of God when He has compassion for his child?

If so can He be exposed to life ,( in the kingdom)...and with that life hear the gospel.

Especially sense the kingdom is Righteousness, peace, and joy.


John 7:17 says, "If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority"
This sounds more of God

For example my children do not know they are in my will when they are playing tag together in the back yard. That's exactly where I want them to be.

What I am saying is "of God" can be part of the process by which one is born from above. But doesn't have to be the whole.

I believe that grace is more than unmerrited favor, but God doing what we cannot do on our own.

Some of my thoughts

 

[Oseas]

Free will as I described my definition is the ability to choose.

What GOD commands to the man created in His image and likeness, it is to him obey Him. Your demonic definition does not invalid what GOD commands to the man do, although being tempted by the Devil to desobey GOD. Who is of GOD speaks as GOD speaks and does not invent false interpretations of GOD's Word .

He chose to eat off the tree- He chose to rebell, be disobedient..etc..

No, there was not any chose, Adam and the woman were drawn by the Devil to desobey GOD in the way he likes. As the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your mind also was corrupted of the same manner.

Any time a person is presented with choice and they choose that proves they have free will.
That's like a bald headed man telling me how to grow hair.

You try to justify your demonic theory with foolish comparison, don't you perceive? Your thinking is from a human perspective, a demonic STUMBLING, not from GOD's perspective.

I have a feeling that you believe you are right.

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand? His witness is greater than yours, your demonic interpretation of Scriptures in this case is of the Devil, and it is impossible you draw me in your mortal trap/ pitfall.

You haven't proved man does not have choice
And you can call people what you want but in the end you've proven nothing.

To understand what GOD says, it is necessary first of all to have the Spirit of GOD. Without the Spirit of GOD it is impossible to understand what GOD said and says. But GOD is also a consuming fire, understand?

 

[Corinth77777]

What GOD commands to the man created in His image and likeness, it is to him obey Him. Your demonic definition does not invalid what GOD commands to the man do, although being tempted by the Devil to desobey GOD. Who is of GOD speaks as GOD speaks and does not invent false interpretations of GOD's Word .

No, there was not any chose, Adam and the woman were drawn by the Devil to desobey GOD in the way he likes. As the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your mind also was corrupted of the same manner.

You try to justify your demonic theory with foolish comparison, don't you perceive? Your thinking is from a human perspective, a demonic STUMBLING, not from GOD's perspective.

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand? His witness is greater than yours, your demonic interpretation of Scriptures in this case is of the Devil, and it is impossible you draw me in your mortal trap/ pitfall.

To understand what GOD says, it is necessary first of all to have the Spirit of GOD. Without the Spirit of GOD it is impossible to understand what GOD said and says. But GOD is also a consuming fire, understand?

I can't read what you say- who throws demonic out there all the time. You sound Cultic.

 

[Corinth77777]

Yes I believe anytime man is given an option He has the ability to choose...

Even before the fall Adam had the ability to name all the animals.

When given an option that He could eat off the tree but shouldn't He had a choice.

Reference To rather one can choose:
Duet 30
call heaven and earth to record this day against you that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live,

I want to choose life everyday
.......
Ezekiel 33

When a righteous man turns from his godliness and commits iniquity, he will die for it.

 

[Corinth77777]

What GOD commands to the man created in His image and likeness, it is to him obey Him. Your demonic definition does not invalid what GOD commands to the man do, although being tempted by the Devil to desobey GOD. Who is of GOD speaks as GOD speaks and does not invent false interpretations of GOD's Word .

No, there was not any chose, Adam and the woman were drawn by the Devil to desobey GOD in the way he likes. As the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your mind also was corrupted of the same manner.

You try to justify your demonic theory with foolish comparison, don't you perceive? Your thinking is from a human perspective, a demonic STUMBLING, not from GOD's perspective.

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand? His witness is greater than yours, your demonic interpretation of Scriptures in this case is of the Devil, and it is impossible you draw me in your mortal trap/ pitfall.

To understand what GOD says, it is necessary first of all to have the Spirit of GOD. Without the Spirit of GOD it is impossible to understand what GOD said and says. But GOD is also a consuming fire, understand?

I have to put you on ignore your words are inflammatory. You remind me of Grace Road Church people. Where their leader was put in jail for brain washing and abuse.