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Was reproduction a part of the world prior to the fall?

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Kathi

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Genesis 1:26-28 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
 
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As it states in Genesis, there was no reproduction until after the fall, as the first offspring were Cain and Abel, the first two sons of Adam and Eve.
 
We serve an all-knowing, all-wise God who thinks of everything and He would not have created an earth we can overpopulate or ultimately destroy. The conditions of the original creation were far different than our experience. We suffer from a lack of information, but one thing that is for sure, they were living in a supernatural environment and not only that but the topography of the earth was far different than it is now. Many scholars believe that there was far, far more land mass than we have today.
God micromanages creation and so there is nothing that takes Him by surprise and so overpopulation would not be problem over which He has no control. So while we may not have all of the answers to exactly how things would have turned out if man had never sinned, it's not like God wouldn't be managing and sustaining the world He made. God is always an active participant in everything regarding this planet and the universe.
 
There were no need of reproductive organs, for God created all the beings up until Eve was deceived into eating of the wrong tree. Part of Eve's punishment was to now birth the children in her own body, in pain and in sorrow due to them being fallen beings just as all mothers suffer their lost children's wayward ways and even loss of physical life.
We shall not bear children in the resurrection either, for we shall be as the angels. Adam and Eve were naked and not ashamed for until God covered them in skin, they had no genitals.
Luke 20:34-36
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
KJV
All souls belong to God, not to us.
 
4afaithfulone said:
There were no need of reproductive organs, for God created all the beings up until Eve was deceived into eating of the wrong tree. Part of Eve's punishment was to now birth the children in her own body, in pain and in sorrow due to them being fallen beings just as all mothers suffer their lost children's wayward ways and even loss of physical life.
We shall not bear children in the resurrection either, for we shall be as the angels. Adam and Eve were naked and not ashamed for until God covered them in skin, they had no genitals.
Luke 20:34-36
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
KJV
All souls belong to God, not to us.
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"There were no need of reproductive organs, for God created all the beings up until Eve was deceived into eating of the wrong tree".

Would you please explain the above sentence to me.Are you saying that there was reproduction before the fall but they had no reproductive organs? :shrug
 
Knotical said:
As it states in Genesis, there was no reproduction until after the fall, as the first offspring were Cain and Abel, the first two sons of Adam and Eve.
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Kathi said:
I agree with you Knotical.
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I'm not sure what definition you are using for "reproduction" (human sexual reproduction?, animal sexual reproduction?, plant reproduction?, God's reproduction of another human, God's reproduction of the Earth's firmament, etc,)

For example, prior to The Fall, God reproduced another human:
Genesis 2:22-23 (LEB) And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
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Also, I'm not sure if your definition fits within the Text that describes God's reproduction of the Earth's form or not in day two:

Genesis 1:2, 7 (LEB) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. ... And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

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Also, it is not our natural children whom are our children, Unless they are saved. It is our spiritual children whom ever we raise up in the Word of God for Christ whom are the children. In the OT God suffered the children for their father's prior sins to keep the father's from sinning and hindering their future generations to pay for them.
But now, God knows that man does not think about their future children and grand children, so He has made our covenant one of the Soul who continues to sin, they shall die.
Ezek 18:1-4
18:1 The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,
2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
3 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
KJV
 
Gen 2:9
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
Gen 3:3-5
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
KJV
 
Kathi said:
What do you think?

Genesis 1:26-28 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
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Which fall?
Satan and his angels?
No
Fall of man?
I believe so.
As stated in Gen.1:28
Be fruitful and multiply...all races..mankind Adam
And I believe the animals also.
Why did God tell them that , then, in Gen.3:7 they didn't even know they were naked before the fall?
Thus, I believe the man Adam, ( through which the Christ seed would eventually come through,) was a husbandman. A tiller of the ground. A farmer...

My belief, which I know I will get scolded for, lol.
But that be OK.
 
dianegcook said:
Which fall?
Satan and his angels?
No
Fall of man?
I believe so.
As stated in Gen.1:28
Be fruitful and multiply...all races..mankind Adam
And I believe the animals also.
Why did God tell them that , then, in Gen.3:7 they didn't even know they were naked before the fall?
Thus, I believe the man Adam, ( through which the Christ seed would eventually come through,) was a husbandman. A tiller of the ground. A farmer...

My belief, which I know I will get scolded for, lol.
But that be OK.
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If it is Genesis I believe it is the fall of man.
 
Kathi said:
Any kind of reproduction.Because as the Bible states nothing came into existence until Genesis 1.
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In the beginning was God, His Word and the Holy Ghost who is the wisdom of God whom was by His side. God created all things through His Word, whom is Jesus. There is nothing that was created without Christ, for the Father God does all things by His own Right Hand The Word is the Right Hand of God whom all things come into existence.
Prov 8:22-31
22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
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4afaithfulone said:
Also, it is not our natural children whom are our children, Unless they are saved. It is our spiritual children whom ever we raise up in the Word of God for Christ whom are the children. In the OT God suffered the children for their father's prior sins to keep the father's from sinning and hindering their future generations to pay for them.
But now, God knows that man does not think about their future children and grand children, so He has made our covenant one of the Soul who continues to sin, they shall die.
Ezek 18:1-4
18:1 The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,
2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
3 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
KJV
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I am sorry but this makes no sense to me :chin
 
Kathi said:
I am sorry but this makes no sense to me :chin
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Remember, flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God, it is the children born of the Spirit who are the children of God. In other words, you must be born again having the Spirit and Word of Truth indwelling you!
Rom 9:6-10
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
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Kathi said:
But what does that have to do with the OP?
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Are you not talking about reproduction before the fall? Well this is how the reproduction of God's true children are now, are going to be in the end, and were in the beginning. God created them, not by the way of man fleshly birth, but by the will of God. See who Jesus claims as his family?
Mark 3:33-35
33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
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John 1:12-14
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
KJV
 
4afaithfulone said:
There were no need of reproductive organs, for God created all the beings up until Eve was deceived into eating of the wrong tree. Part of Eve's punishment was to now birth the children in her own body, in pain and in sorrow due to them being fallen beings just as all mothers suffer their lost children's wayward ways and even loss of physical life.
We shall not bear children in the resurrection either, for we shall be as the angels. Adam and Eve were naked and not ashamed for until God covered them in skin, they had no genitals.
Luke 20:34-36
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
KJV
All souls belong to God, not to us.
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Adam and Eve were naked and not ashamed for until God covered them in skin, they had no genitals
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. What is your scripture backing for this claim?
 
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