Bible Study WELCOME TO A DEEP LOOK AT GENESIS

[Chopper]

Sorry, will make this quick. Jews used a tetragrammaton, which in English is transliterated as YHWH. Jews did not have vowels.
Here is a good link for that issue: http://www.bible.ca/jw-YHWH.htm

Thank you Stan, that web site is very helpful.

 

[Chopper]

Day 9 Genesis 2:4-7 4/25/14 Man Appears.

My Quote comes from the "Newberry Reference Edition" of the KJV. "These are the generations of the heavens and earth when they were created, in day that Jehovah Elohim made earth and heavens, and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for Jehovah Elohim had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And Jehovah Elohim formed man dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils breath of lives; and man became a living soul."

The ground is dry before the creation of man, without any plant of the field, or herb of the field. This condition was there because there was no man to work it or irrigate the land.

God "formed" man from the dust of the ground, much like a potter would fashion a clay pot.

"breathed into his nostrils the breath of life"....Dr. M.R. DeHaan in his book, "Chemistry of the Blood" said this. "Here was Adam formed from the dust, a lump of matter without life. God breathed into his nostrils and, lo, he became alive. Since the 'life is in the Blood', it was Blood which God added to that body when He breathed into him the breath of life. Adams body was of the earth, but his Blood was directly from God."

In another section of his book he states, the blood of the mother never intermingles with the foetus. In Howell's textbook of Physiology, Second Edition, pages 885 and 886, I read: "For the purpose of understanding its general functions it is sufficient to recall that the placenta consists essentially of vascular chorionic papillae from the foetus (the unborn child) bathed in the large blood spaces of the decidual membrane of the mother. The foetal and maternal blood Do Not Come Into Actual Contact. They Are Separated From Each Other by the walls of the foetal blood vessels and the epithelial layers of the chorionic villae."

I cite these facts for two reasons. One, so that we all know how Adam obtained the Perfect, sinless, innocent, and incorruptible Blood that he shed on Calvary, and Second, so we all know how Mary, the Mother of Jesus received, by the Holy Spirit, the baby Jesus with His perfect Blood in her womb.

I finish this day's study with a little of Choppers humor. Since man was created out of the ground, that makes Chopper just a dirt bag.

 

[brother Paul]

I realize I am coming in late but I thought I would give this....

Genesis 1:1 contains all 22 letters and thus also all the numbers one could conjure in their mind....

Therefore all possibilities of all else that would ever be said or described, all future history of course, and all possibilities of mathematics are all contained therein...

 

[brother Paul]

Day 9 Genesis 2:4-7 4/25/14 Man Appears.

My Quote comes from the "Newberry Reference Edition" of the KJV. "These are the generations of the heavens and earth when they were created, in day that Jehovah Elohim made earth and heavens, and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for Jehovah Elohim had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And Jehovah Elohim formed man dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils breath of lives; and man became a living soul."

The ground is dry before the creation of man, without any plant of the field, or herb of the field. This condition was there because there was no man to work it or irrigate the land.

God "formed" man from the dust of the ground, much like a potter would fashion a clay pot.

"breathed into his nostrils the breath of life"....Dr. M.R. DeHaan in his book, "Chemistry of the Blood" said this. "Here was Adam formed from the dust, a lump of matter without life. God breathed into his nostrils and, lo, he became alive. Since the 'life is in the Blood', it was Blood which God added to that body when He breathed into him the breath of life. Adams body was of the earth, but his Blood was directly from God."

In another section of his book he states, the blood of the mother never intermingles with the foetus. In Howell's textbook of Physiology, Second Edition, pages 885 and 886, I read: "For the purpose of understanding its general functions it is sufficient to recall that the placenta consists essentially of vascular chorionic papillae from the foetus (the unborn child) bathed in the large blood spaces of the decidual membrane of the mother. The foetal and maternal blood Do Not Come Into Actual Contact. They Are Separated From Each Other by the walls of the foetal blood vessels and the epithelial layers of the chorionic villae."

I cite these facts for two reasons. One, so that we all know how Adam obtained the Perfect, sinless, innocent, and incorruptible Blood that he shed on Calvary, and Second, so we all know how Mary, the Mother of Jesus received, by the Holy Spirit, the baby Jesus with His perfect Blood in her womb.

I finish this day's study with a little of Choppers humor. Since man was created out of the ground, that makes Chopper just a dirt bag.

An interesting point Chopper...so the blood of the first Adam cannot really mingle with his offsprings blood...so the corruption is not by physical inheritance from the father to the offspring....

 

[Chopper]

An interesting point Chopper...so the blood of the first Adam cannot really mingle with his offsprings blood...so the corruption is not by physical inheritance from the father to the offspring....

The blood of the father is passed on to his offspring. Thus, the Blood that was miraculously "breathed" into Adam's lifeless body at his creation, was Heavenly Blood. I guess we could say that it was perfect Blood. BUT, when Adam sinned, that Heavenly blood became blood tainted with sin, no more perfect blood. The origin of the blood of every child born is from the father. You probably already know this. So I don't agree with your statement "so the blood of the first Adam cannot really mingle with his offspring's blood" The offspring's blood WAS the fathers blood.

 

[brother Paul]

The blood of the father is passed on to his offspring. Thus, the Blood that was miraculously "breathed" into Adam's lifeless body at his creation, was Heavenly Blood. I guess we could say that it was perfect Blood. BUT, when Adam sinned, that Heavenly blood became blood tainted with sin, no more perfect blood. The origin of the blood of every child born is from the father. You probably already know this. So I don't agree with your statement "so the blood of the first Adam cannot really mingle with his offspring's blood" The offspring's blood WAS the fathers blood.

Sorry brother, that was the point you made....that the two bloods do not mingle. You went to lengths to describe why that is so. So are you saying that that part of the child's DNA which makes the child's blood is from the father? I am not being disagreeable but I wanted to clarify (for me) why you had made this point.

The bible is clear that it is God who makes the spirit in a person...

Job 10:8, “Your hands shaped me and made me.”

In Psalm 139, he wrote, “For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise you; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are your works; and that my soul knows right well.”

Psalm 199:3, “Know ye that the Lord is God; it is He that has made us, and not we ourselves.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Isaiah 42:5 Thus says God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which comes out of it; he that gives breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk in it.

Isaiah 57:16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

Zech.12:1 This is the word of the LORD concerning Israel. The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the spirit of man within him.

Your thoughts?

Thanks and the Lord bless...

brother Paul

 

[brother Paul]

You say "the Blood that was miraculously "breathed" into Adam's lifeless body"...but I cannot find this in scripture...now surely the "life" is "IN the blood" but the Bible does not say the blood was breathed....where did you get this understanding? Thanks...

 

[Chopper]

I realize I am coming in late but I thought I would give this....

Genesis 1:1 contains all 22 letters and thus also all the numbers one could conjure in their mind....

Therefore all possibilities of all else that would ever be said or described, all future history of course, and all possibilities of mathematics are all contained therein...

Welcome to our study Paul, I don't understand what you're saying. Could you explain?

 

[Sinthesis]

Mixing metaphors can be problematic. Sometimes we take them too far and they just break down. Symbols rely on specific similar qualities to simplify and translate an aspect of the unseen (spiritual) into a language we are familiar with (physical). Blood and breath can both be symbolic of 'spirit' in scripture. Both have qualities that help us understand the idea of 'spirit'. However, each also have qualities that are not applicable to the idea of 'spirit'. Identifying which specific qualities are pertinent can be a struggle.

 

[Chopper]

Sorry brother, that was the point you made....that the two bloods do not mingle. You went to lengths to describe why that is so. So are you saying that that part of the child's DNA which makes the child's blood is from the father? I am not being disagreeable but I wanted to clarify (for me) why you had made this point.

The bible is clear that it is God who makes the spirit in a person...

Job 10:8, “Your hands shaped me and made me.”

In Psalm 139, he wrote, “For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise you; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are your works; and that my soul knows right well.”

Psalm 199:3, “Know ye that the Lord is God; it is He that has made us, and not we ourselves.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Isaiah 42:5 Thus says God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which comes out of it; he that gives breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk in it.

Isaiah 57:16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

Zech.12:1 This is the word of the LORD concerning Israel. The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the spirit of man within him.

Your thoughts?

Thanks and the Lord bless...

brother Paul

What I said was, the MOTHER'S blood does not mingle with the infants blood. Therefor the origin of the infant's blood is from the FATHER.

 

[Chopper]

You say "the Blood that was miraculously "breathed" into Adam's lifeless body"...but I cannot find this in scripture...now surely the "life" is "IN the blood" but the Bible does not say the blood was breathed....where did you get this understanding? Thanks...

I'll answer your question with a question, just where did Adams blood come from. If he was made alive, and the life is in the blood, didn't he receive his blood from the breath of God? And his Spirit? and his soul? The Scripture clearly states that Adam's life, and all that makes life out of the dust, came from God's breath.

 

[brother Paul]

What I said was, the MOTHER'S blood does not mingle with the infants blood. Therefor the origin of the infant's blood is from the FATHER.

That would seem like a logical conclusion and I am not disagreeing, but are you sure the physical aspects of the blood (that the life God gives resides in) are not a product of the egg rather than the sperm? Did the physical blood of Jesus body come from OUR Father or Mary? It is an interesting prospect to inquire about...I will look into it and see what science has to say (not that I rely on that)...

Welcome to our study Paul, I don't understand what you're saying. Could you explain?

Yes! It was just an observation...all twenty two letters of the Hebrew Aleph-beth (which are also all their numbers) are included in Genesis 1:1....all that could be described or expressed in linguistic symbols or expressed and contemplated mathematically are included (potentially) "Bereshith"....

Simply one more amazing signature that only God could have inspired such statement!

brother Paul

 

[brother Paul]

I'll answer your question with a question, just where did Adams blood come from. If he was made alive, and the life is in the blood, didn't he receive his blood from the breath of God? And his Spirit? and his soul? The Scripture clearly states that Adam's life, and all that makes life out of the dust, came from God's breath.

Well again my brother, not to be contrary, but it says "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." The word "formed" is the Hebrew "yatzar", to give form to, as in his material make up...so it is entirely possible the form was complete (possibly blood and all) and God breathing spirit into the form making him alive...but I cannot derive God breathing in the very blood itself from this passage...

Anyway the point is really insignificant to the greater study at hand for which I am grateful I may be included so it is not a point I would be dogmatic about but it is an interesting perspective you have given for me to consider....so if I find out more I will get back to you on it but thank you Chopper, I love it when I am made to re-think any passage...the Lord bless....

 

[brother Paul]

Dr. DeHann's article answered the question and you are correct...the blood develops only after fertilization...if left alone the egg remains without blood....hence the missing element? The father...

I realize it is not a major point for the passage but it speaks volumes to the rest of scripture...thanks for the challenge and the edification brother...

In His love

brother Paul

 

[Chopper]

That would seem like a logical conclusion and I am not disagreeing, but are you sure the physical aspects of the blood (that the life God gives resides in) are not a product of the egg rather than the sperm? Did the physical blood of Jesus body come from OUR Father or Mary? It is an interesting prospect to inquire about...I will look into it and see what science has to say (not that I rely on that)...



Yes! It was just an observation...all twenty two letters of the Hebrew Aleph-beth (which are also all their numbers) are included in Genesis 1:1....all that could be described or expressed in linguistic symbols or expressed and contemplated mathematically are included (potentially) "Bereshith"....

Simply one more amazing signature that only God could have inspired such statement!

brother Paul

Amen to that Brother Paul. I did not no that and it certainly is, as you say, a signature of the Almighty! Wow, thank you very much.

Oh boy, my friend, You are really digging into a realm of theology that I haven't thought about in many years, so let me run some thoughts by you. These would simply be my opinion and thoughts.

Since Jesus' Blood was perfect and a propitiation or payment to our Holy Creator, Father, for our sins, it had to come solely from the Father by the Holy Spirit. Now as to His body. Since He had a human body, like ours, it would seem to me having its origin from Mary. The Blood from the Father, His Body from Mary. Lets go with that. What do you think, my wonderful theological friend.

If you would like more statements from specialists in the field of Psysiology, I will be happy to quote a few more.

 

[Chopper]

Well again my brother, not to be contrary, but it says "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." The word "formed" is the Hebrew "yatzar", to give form to, as in his material make up...so it is entirely possible the form was complete (possibly blood and all) and God breathing spirit into the form making him alive...but I cannot derive God breathing in the very blood itself from this passage...

Anyway the point is really insignificant to the greater study at hand for which I am grateful I may be included so it is not a point I would be dogmatic about but it is an interesting perspective you have given for me to consider....so if I find out more I will get back to you on it but thank you Chopper, I love it when I am made to re-think any passage...the Lord bless....

I especially want to thank you Brother for joining us in this study. I love to be challenged the way you are doing to me. This is great for my 74 year old mind. I also love it when a serious student of the wonderful Word of God jumps into our studies. Iron does sharpen iron. I guess we could be called "Iron Workers."

 

[brother Paul]

Amen to that Brother Paul. I did not no that and it certainly is, as you say, a signature of the Almighty! Wow, thank you very much.

Oh boy, my friend, You are really digging into a realm of theology that I haven't thought about in many years, so let me run some thoughts by you. These would simply be my opinion and thoughts.

Since Jesus' Blood was perfect and a propitiation or payment to our Holy Creator, Father, for our sins, it had to come solely from the Father by the Holy Spirit. Now as to His body. Since He had a human body, like ours, it would seem to me having its origin from Mary. The Blood from the Father, His Body from Mary. Lets go with that. What do you think, my wonderful theological friend.

If you would like more statements from specialists in the field of Psysiology, I will be happy to quote a few more.

That will not be necessary since i am a Clinical Trial Assistant trained in biochem and lab procedures...I can find this information if needed...so I concur that His blood was created by the Father but that still does not address the "breathed in blood" concept. It seems to me to be a bit of eisegesis, though thought provoking to say the least.

 

[brother Paul]

I especially want to thank you Brother for joining us in this study. I love to be challenged the way you are doing to me. This is great for my 74 year old mind. I also love it when a serious student of the wonderful Word of God jumps into our studies. Iron does sharpen iron. I guess we could be called "Iron Workers."

yeah but we oldsters do get a bit rusty now and then...(in my 60s)....

So where (what passage) is the study looking at now?

 

[agua.]

Gen 2:7 KJV And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

This is usual stumbling scripture in the debate over what a soul is. If man became a living soul what is a soul ?

 

[Chopper]

yeah but we oldsters do get a bit rusty now and then...(in my 60s)....

So where (what passage) is the study looking at now?

Tomorrows study will be Genesis 2:8 & 9 Two Trees.