Bible Study WELCOME TO A DEEP LOOK AT GENESIS

[Chopper]

For a long time I accepted the gap theory. I don't know when it happened exactly, but one day I realized that Gen 1:1 was a synopsis, within the context of Gen 1, of the instant God created the universe. Then I saw that V2 takes up the details of the six days of creation after the physical was in place.
V2-31 are the six days. Then 2:1-3 details day 7. Now this is where Moses goes into even more detail. In 2:4-25, he details the setting in which God made Adam and Eve that Moses loosely touched on in 1:26-27. Then in 3:1 the chronological story is picked up and moves on though history.
I would like to note one thing. When God created Adam and Eve, they were fully mature human beings, and able to pro-create. IMO, God did the same thing when He created the universe. It was fully mature. In reality Adam and Eve were one second old but for all intents and purposes, they looked and were in their late teens, early twenties. The universe was the same thing. Now I'm NOT a scientists, but I have faith that God knew what He was doing when He created the universe, and as He also created ALL the laws that have EVER been discovered by man or Einstein!
In our still limited ability today, we cannot KNOW what it took to have a fully mature universe come into existence in one day, but God does. I choose to believe that WE, as human beings, are limited in our understanding, NOT God.

Thank you Stan for adding to our study on Genesis. Yea, we have thrown around the gap theory but our feeling is if God wnated us to know, he'd have told us. But it does give our imagination a jolt....I hope you continue to help us explore this foundation Book.

 

[Stan1953]

Thank you Stan for adding to our study on Genesis. Yea, we have thrown around the gap theory but our feeling is if God wnated us to know, he'd have told us. But it does give our imagination a jolt....I hope you continue to help us explore this foundation Book.

Definitely.

 

[jasonc]

I'd really like to see it.

ok its short, and easy as its meant for kids, but it works.

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/682064/jewish/The-Otifier.htm

tie that into the idea of all things are made by him and Christ sustains all things. hmm interesting they say that about the letters.

 

[agua.]

Day 3 Genesis 1:11-13 4/19/14 Vegetation and Seed.

When I look at these verses I see an important fact. In V.11,12 "whose seed is in itself" this means that the grass? herbs, & fruit trees, would produce seed after its own kind....like produces like. The species are fixed and don't mix with the others on their own.

Now, if they are putting forth seed, they must be fully grown and mature, which answers a lot of questions to wondering minds. Someone once said that everything that God created is in its mature state, even the earth which with its age marks, which throws off the scientist who believes the earth is millions of years old. And what about Man, 33yrs old?

It also appears that the earth has been transformed from a waste to a moist ground capable of nourishing plant & tree life.

Here answers the question, which came first, the chicken or the egg. Or the seed or the apple tree.

There's an interesting subtle variation here I think Chop concerning " which came first the seed or the apple tree"

Gen 1:11-12 KJV And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. (12) And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

" Let the Earth bring forth " gives the impression of growing from seed or something to me what do you think ?

 

[jasonc]

There's an interesting subtle variation here I think Chop concerning " which came first the seed or the apple tree"

Gen 1:11-12 KJV And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. (12) And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

" Let the Earth bring forth " gives the impression of growing from seed or something to me what do you think ?

its a command from god telling the earth to make.

 

[Stan1953]

There's an interesting subtle variation here I think Chop concerning " which came first the seed or the apple tree"

Gen 1:11-12 KJV And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. (12) And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

" Let the Earth bring forth " gives the impression of growing from seed or something to me what do you think ?

It was God's genetic law being put in place. Species begets species. Just as He created all life in verses 20-27.
Also note the water canopy God creates in verse 6-7, that covered the earth. This is what later flooded the earth in Noah's day.

 

[agua.]

its a command from god telling the earth to make.

Yeah this is interesting considering the language used esp "and God said". This bring forth command seems to be used for every living thing in Creation aside from 1.

 

[jasonc]

Yeah this is interesting considering the language used esp "and God said". This bring forth command seems to be used for every living thing in Creation aside from 1.

see my otifier video

 

[th1b.taylor]

th 1b. taylor said:

Which is what they were attempting to do "imo" in a place called Babel way up in chapter 10 verse 10..

The Lord saw what they were up to in chapter 11 and said enough is enough..

Genesis 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

tob

AMEN!

 

[th1b.taylor]

For a long time I accepted the gap theory. I don't know when it happened exactly, but one day I realized that Gen 1:1 was a synopsis, within the context of Gen 1, of the instant God created the universe. Then I saw that V2 takes up the details of the six days of creation after the physical was in place.
V2-31 are the six days. Then 2:1-3 details day 7. Now this is where Moses goes into even more detail. In 2:4-25, he details the setting in which God made Adam and Eve that Moses loosely touched on in 1:26-27. Then in 3:1 the chronological story is picked up and moves on through history.
I would like to note one thing. When God created Adam and Eve, they were fully mature human beings, and able to pro-create. IMO, God did the same thing when He created the universe. It was fully mature. In reality Adam and Eve were one second old but for all intents and purposes, they looked and were in their late teens, early twenties. The universe was the same thing. Now I'm NOT a scientists, but I have faith that God knew what He was doing when He created the universe, and as He also created ALL the laws that have EVER been discovered by man or Einstein!
In our still limited ability today, we cannot KNOW what it took to have a fully mature universe come into existence in one day, but God does. I choose to believe that WE, as human beings, are limited in our understanding, NOT God.

that's great Stan, I had to study ancient customs for a long time to discover that the Jews would surmise and then detail. God bless.

 

[Chopper]

There's an interesting subtle variation here I think Chop concerning " which came first the seed or the apple tree"

Gen 1:11-12 KJV And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. (12) And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

" Let the Earth bring forth " gives the impression of growing from seed or something to me what do you think ?

You bring up a very interesting subject of thought my friend. It seems that everyone that I have read seem to think that God created everything in a mature state, ready to give forth its seed. But, I see what you're saying. The only question that I would have is, everything happening here is in one day. Of course, there could be supernatural growth, so at the end of the day, the apple tree could be mature.

 

[Chopper]

ok its short, and easy as its meant for kids, but it works.

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/682064/jewish/The-Otifier.htm

tie that into the idea of all things are made by him and Christ sustains all things. hmm interesting they say that about the letters.

Wow, thank you, I watched it and read other subjects as well.

 

[Chopper]

its a command from god telling the earth to make.

OK, I can see that as well. God could tell the earth to make an apple tree, it would spring up a mature tree.

 

[Chopper]

Day 4 Genesis 1:14-19 Lights 4/20/14.

As we start speaking of light, the question arises in 1:3, God said "let there be light". Where did that light come from before He created the sun? Could it be that He allowed the light of His Glory to shine out, as it is in Revelation 22:5 "for the Lord God will be their light". OR, as some theologians believe, he created the sun and then in V.16 "and God MADE" they say that the word made is different than the word create, so God fashioned the sun at this point to not only produce light, but also the orbit system for days, months, etc.

So, the light of the sun, moon, and stars have their main function to be signs for the seasons, and for days & years. I can think of one sign, red sky in the morning, sailor take warning, red sky at night, sailor delight. For seasons, it tells the farmer when to till the ground, plant the seeds, how to manage the garden, when to reap the harvest, when to prepare for the cold of Winter by stocking up his wood, by cutting hay and storing it for his cattle, etc.

All over the world, whether a warm or cold climate, the seasons dictate to man his life cycles. For the Hebrews, their festivals were regulated by seasons.

I should note that the sun and moon has been created by God Himself, not some pagan god for worship. They were created for distinguishing hours, days, months, and years, and make up the Hebrew calendar. The heat of the sun is crucial for the comfort of man as well as for plant and tree life.

 

[JLB]

Day 3 Genesis 1:11-13 4/19/14 Vegetation and Seed.

When I look at these verses I see an important fact. In V.11,12 "whose seed is in itself" this means that the grass? herbs, & fruit trees, would produce seed after its own kind....like produces like. The species are fixed and don't mix with the others on their own.

Now, if they are putting forth seed, they must be fully grown and mature, which answers a lot of questions to wondering minds. Someone once said that everything that God created is in its mature state, even the earth which with its age marks, which throws off the scientist who believes the earth is millions of years old. And what about Man, 33yrs old?

It also appears that the earth has been transformed from a waste to a moist ground capable of nourishing plant & tree life.

Here answers the question, which came first, the chicken or the egg. Or the seed or the apple tree.

The chicken came first.

Adam and Eve came first.

Then they reproduced after their own kind.

In order for kind to reproduce after its own kind, then kind what have to exist first.


JLB

 

[reba]

JLB just solved an age old question
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He brings new life every day and the SON never sets. He does not leave us while we are sleeping He sends the calm

 

[Deborah13]

Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the
earth: and it was so.
Mat_12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Rom_4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The Seed can only bring forth seed of His kind.

 

[turnorburn]

The sun the moon the stars were made to give light upon the earth.. doesn't say for the entire universe.. although it could have.. it says "The Earth"

Genesis 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

tob

*edit: always forgetting something this time its the version I'm using "KJV"

 

[Deborah13]

Chapter 1:14-19
YLT
Gen 1:14 And God saith, `Let luminaries be in the expanse of the heavens, to make a separation between the day and the night, then they have been for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years,

Mat 2:2 saying, `Where is he who was born king of the Jews? for we saw his star in the east, and we came to bow to him.'

Luk 23:44 And it was, as it were, the sixth hour, and darkness came over all the land till the ninth hour,
Luk 23:45 and the sun was darkened, and the vail of the sanctuary was rent in the midst,
Luk 23:46 and having cried with a loud voice, Jesus said, `Father, to Thy hands I commit my spirit;' and these things having said, he breathed forth the spirit.

 

[turnorburn]

Can anyone tell us why all that light was meant to shine on us?

tob