Bible Study WELCOME TO A DEEP LOOK AT GENESIS

[reba]

There is something in this verse 11 And their father Israel said vnto them, If it must bee so now, doe this: take of the best fruits in the land in your vessels, and carie downe the man a Present, a litle balme, and a litle honie, spices, and myrrhe, nuts, and almonds.

that is catching me... The good fruits the best of what Israel had... is being offered ... ..

 

[Chopper]

There is something in this verse 11 And their father Israel said vnto them, If it must bee so now, doe this: take of the best fruits in the land in your vessels, and carie downe the man a Present, a litle balme, and a litle honie, spices, and myrrhe, nuts, and almonds.

that is catching me... The good fruits the best of what Israel had... is being offered ... ..

I'm with you Reba, I wondered the same thing for awhile. I didn't come up with anything but since you have mentioned it, hmmm me too. This must have been a rare treat for Joseph since he has been away from where these are grown approx. 20 years. God may have put this into Jacob's mind to reward Joseph a little. It may have been a bribe to get on the good side of the lord of the land?....still

 

[reba]

We live in His kingdom we are not of this world... Israel offered the best fruit of his kingdom ... we are to offer the the fruit of His kingdom

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

This gift of Israels was given to gain life... to put together what the world had take apart... Israel wanted Simon back... He wanted food for his tribe... the number of people under Israel roof , so to speak... was huge... Israel wanted restoration

 

[jasonc]

he wanted Benjamin back not simon. darn it, my great grandpa is named Jacob on both sides of my grandparents on my jewish side. every time I read about Jacob I cant stop thinking about that.

 

[Sinthesis]

remember his son reuben slept with his mother, and also the blessing and cursings. Racheal is whom Jacob loved and she gave him two sons. of which one was dead in Jacob's eyes. a broken family , yes but do take that into consideration.

Reuben didn't sleep with his own mother, rather he slept with his father's concubine.

Gen 35:22 - And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reubenwent and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve:

This sin will be revisited by Absalom, and attempted in a roundabout way by Adonijah.

 

[reba]

Jacob did not love Racheal enough to be true

 

[Sinthesis]

I wonder if they see the return of their money as a bad thing from God, when really it wasn't, because they know they don't deserve God's kindness. We know that the love (kindness) of God brings one to repentance.

They thought the 'Godfather' had just blindsided them with a 'favor', thus instead of a fair transaction they were in debt. Only fools want to be in debt to the mafia.

 

[Sinthesis]

I'm with you Reba, I wondered the same thing for awhile. I didn't come up with anything but since you have mentioned it, hmmm me too. This must have been a rare treat for Joseph since he has been away from where these are grown approx. 20 years. God may have put this into Jacob's mind to reward Joseph a little. It may have been a bribe to get on the good side of the lord of the land?....still

Jacob is still trying to buy salvation from the famine because he doesn't yet know that the only one who can save him already loves him.

 

[Willie T]

Curious...... About Jacob not trusting God with the boy's safety. Was he even trusting in God, in the first place, to send the family off to Egypt to get food instead of simply trusting God to come through, and provide for them in the land they were given to live in? I mean, didn't he just take it into his own hands to decide on that whole trip?

 

[agua.]

Jacob did not love Racheal enough to be true

Considering Leah was his first wifey I suggest he didn't love Leah enough to be true :D After marrying Rachel he then became obligated to 2 wifeys.

 

[follower]

Curious...... About Jacob not trusting God with the boy's safety. Was he even trusting in God, in the first place, to send the family off to Egypt to get food instead of simply trusting God to come through, and provide for them in the land they were given to live in? I mean, didn't he just take it into his own hands to decide on that whole trip?

based on what Joseph said later, no, Jacob wasn't wrong.

nor were Josephs brothers blamed by Joseph nor punished by him for selling him into slavery.

it is written that all along this was Yhwh's Plan, and as Creator Owner Ruler King, He can do what He wants to.

 

[Sinthesis]

Jacob did not love Racheal enough to be true

Because we don't worship the patriarchs, we can see them as they were, but we should probably withhold condemnation because theirs was a different pre-Christian world. We also learn, thus benefit, from their failures.

 

[follower]

plus, Yhwh the Creator blessed Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
and blesses anyone who blesses them (and their descendants)
and curses anyone who seeks to hurt them.

and i think King David warned sternly (as a man after Yhwh's Own Heart) not to speak offhandedly or judgmentally of Yhwh's Chosen Ones/the Ones He Anointed and Picked.

 

[jasonc]

Reuben didn't sleep with his own mother, rather he slept with his father's concubine.

Gen 35:22 - And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reubenwent and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve:

This sin will be revisited by Absalom, and attempted in a roundabout way by Adonijah.

mother in law. same thing.

 

[Willie T]

based on what Joseph said later, no, Jacob wasn't wrong.

nor were Josephs brothers blamed by Joseph nor punished by him for selling him into slavery.

it is written that all along this was Yhwh's Plan, and as Creator Owner Ruler King, He can do what He wants to.

Doesn't that thinking put a whole different light on the Jews and Romans who crucified Christ? After all, the entire crucifixion was also God's plan from the beginning.

And, in history, Pharaoh, too..... and Eve and the serpant?

I'm more into seeing this as a personal responsibility thing.

 

[Sinthesis]

Curious...... About Jacob not trusting God with the boy's safety. Was he even trusting in God, in the first place, to send the family off to Egypt to get food instead of simply trusting God to come through, and provide for them in the land they were given to live in? I mean, didn't he just take it into his own hands to decide on that whole trip?

The precedents Jacob had were to trust God and not flee to Egypt. Joseph, in his role as proto-messiah, changed everything concerning the way God would provide for His people.

 

[Willie T]

The precedents Jacob had were to trust God and not flee to Egypt. Joseph, in his role as proto-messiah, changed everything concerning the way God would provide for His people.

But, Jacob, in his day-to-day life had no inkling of this.

 

[reba]

he wanted Benjamin back not simon. darn it, my great grandpa is named Jacob on both sides of my grandparents on my jewish side. every time I read about Jacob I cant stop thinking about that.

He wanted them both... Ben more so...

 

[jasonc]

is that pride I detect? or that grandma hmmph?

 

[reba]

Considering Leah was his first wifey I suggest he didn't love Leah enough to be true :biggrin After marrying Rachel he then became obligated to 2 wifeys.

She was not his choice but the poor baby couldn't say no