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What does abiding in Christ refer to?

I said this:
"That's exactly what a jailer asked Paul.

This is the question he asked in Acts 16:
"30He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

This is Paul's answer to the jailer:
31They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

That's how anyone gets saved."
It's unbelievable and inexcusable for a professing believer to boooo any Scripture, even when it refuted one's opinions.

It occurred to me that you would try to wiggle out of this with this lame diversion.
I have never ever viewed the jailer's question or Paul's answer as any kind of diversion.

I responded to your question with an answer FROM SCRIPTURE. And there was a big booooo.

So, no more diversion.
There never has been any diversion from me.

You have to show us how it is that unfruitful, child of the devil branches are in actuality saved, children of God branches.
I've done that many times, but you've just rejected the answer.


Eternal life is a gift of God, per Rom 6:23. God's gifts are irrevocable, per Rom 11:29. Therefore, eternal life is irrevocable, regardless of anything presented to the contrary.

As it is right now, you're arguing that unfruitful branches being cut out of the vine are actually saved, children of God branches, in complete contradiction to John who says unfruitful people are obviously children of the devil, not children of God (1 John 3:10 NASB).
Actually, you've NOT proven any contradiction in my responses. Just claims and opinions.

I exegeted 1 John 3:9, which explains v.10, which you've not commented about in any way.

Why not just interact with my answers?
 
I said this:
"I've provided very clear verses about the FACT that eternal life is a gift of God (Rom 6:23) and that God's gifts are irrevocable (Rom 11:29)."
What does God not revoking the promise of Abraham's blessing from the Jews, even though they rejected the Messiah, have to do with a believer never being able to lose their salvation? Nothing, of course.
Seriously? When did anyone prove by exegesis that Rom 11:29 is even about any promise of Abraham's blessings from the Jews? No one has done that. Just another claim. The gifts of God in Rom 11:29 are about actual gifts, NOT merely a promise about something.

And Paul actually described 3 of God's gifts, that are available to both Jews and Gentiles, just as God's call is for both Jew and Gentile, and is also a part of Rom 11:29.

So to try to force Rom 11:29 into the little box you've created is not intellectually honest.

Rom 11:29 is about two things; God's call and God's gifts. And NOT about any kind of promise.

You're using a verse that has nothing to do with proving that a believer can never lose their salvation.
This is just another denial of the obvious. Which is that God's gifts (not promises) are irrevocable, and that one of God's gifts is eternal life.

But those who don't want to face those facts simply won't see them.
 
I said this:
"The phrase "remain in Me" obviously indicates action on the part of the believer. So that, IN AND OF ITSELF removes any reference to salvation, because we are saved by grace through faith, and NOT OF WORKS. Eph 2:8,9."
sigh - Once again, "proof-texting" leads you off down your favorite rabbit trail.

Please provide a reasonable explanation of how Eph 2:8,9 is a "rabbit trail", since it is part of God's inerrant Word. It seems to me this is just a rejection or dismissal of Scripture that disproves your views.

I ask, therefore, what ELSE did Paul say in Ephesians 2?
He said:
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. (Eph 2:10 NKJV)
Those works would be the fruit that we are to bear in order to remain in Christ.
Except Eph 1:13 and 14 contradict your view that remaining in Christ requires ANYTHING from us. We have been sealed with the Holy Spirit, which is a promise, and a guarantee for the day of redemption.

v.10 tells us WHY we were created in Christ: FOR good works. It doesn't say that all believers WILL produce good works. But that's WHAT we were created for. But please don't ignore the clear meaning of Eph 1:13 and 14, and 4:30.

I am convinced that these 3 verses clearly teach eternal security, and no one YET has explained from the conditional security side what these 3 verses actually teach, which clearly shows WHY they AREN'T about eternal security.

In contrast, Paul repeatedly prescribes "good works" as normal for believers.

I certainly agree!! It would be abnormal for believers to fail to do good works. In fact, it would be rebellious. For which they will face God's divine discipline, which includes: weakness, sickness, and even physical death, per 1 Cor 11:30.

But no one has yet provided any verses that plainly state that salvation can be lost.


In this verse, Paul identifies "bearing fruit" with "good works
:"And let our people also learn to maintain good works, to meet urgent needs, that they may not be unfruitful. (Tit 3:14 )
What a perfect place to state your view that salvation can be lost, yet it doesn't go there. If salvation could be lost, the second blue bolded phrase SHOULD HAVE READ: "that they may not lose their salvation".

But, instead, it says "that they may NOT BE unfruitful". The EXACT SAME subject of John 15:1-6. Bearing fruit.
 
OP: "So, the command to "remain in Him" or "abide in Him" cannot refer to how to maintain one's salvation, but rather, how to bear much fruit. Or "participating in the divine nature"."
That "point" has been refuted over and over and over and again and again and again.
Actually, it's ONLY been disagreed with over and over, etc.

Anybody home????
When will someone from your side actually exegete any of the verses I've shared to show me WHY and HOW they don't teach what I believe they teach?

Apparently nobody's home.
 
You have to show us how it is that unfruitful, child of the devil branches are in actuality saved,

Who said there were any devil branches attached to Him in the first place?

John 15:2-3 (NASB) Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.

Nope, no devil branches here. Just a bunch of clean branches attached to Him. Some that produce fruit, some that don't. But never the less clean.

So let's repeat 10 times; You [every branch in Me] are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.

Now... is every branch in Him already clean, Yes or no??? Yes. Excellent! Good job.
Now for bonus points; why is it that every branch in Him is already clean??? Because of Christ's word spoken to them! Excellent!

I have a question though for my studies; Can you show us how much fruit a clean branch is expected to produce each year to maintain my salvation? My copy of the Eternal Life owners manual doesn't say how much I'm required to produce each year to maintain my Eternal lifetime warranty. I mean, I love Christ and love His brothers and sisters as best I can, but I sure do need to know my yearly fruit production quota now that I've been told my Eternal Life being gifted to me has been 'refuted' and all.

I also was not aware that my being clean was because of my yearly fruit production level.

I wonder what will happen with my Eternal Life and cleanliness when I'm to old to produce enough fruit each year...??? Or for that matter fall asleep??? Do I become unclean at night while I'm unproductive and asleep???

Can I work real hard and produce double my fruit quota each year now and put some into a 401k fruit basket for retirement savings???

I wonder, can I donate some fruit I've produced to other neighborhood branches that are not in Him and clean that vine up with some of my fruit versus God's Word??? Or donate some of mine to less productive branches in His vine that are shaded from the Sunlight and not producing as much as they should???

All these questions... Such confusion...
Man, I thought salvation was as simple as believing in His Word. Who knew it was really a system of yearly fruit production after all.
 
This thread again? Doesn't Romans 11 explain it good enough for you all? Grafted in, pruned off, grafted in again...it's pretty self explanatory to me.
 
This thread again? Doesn't Romans 11 explain it good enough for you all? Grafted in, pruned off, grafted in again...it's pretty self explanatory to me.
Actually, Rom 11:29 explains its perfectly clearly. God's gifts are irrevocable. And Paul had already described 3 of them before he penned 11:29.

1. spiritual gifts, 1:11
2. justification, 3:24, 5:15,16,17
3. eternal life, 6:23

The actual words "gift of God" is found in 6:23.

Between 6:23 and 11:29, there is NO MENTION of any kind of gift.

So it should be perfectly clear that the gifts (plural) of God that are irrevocable from 11:29 DO INCLUDE these 3 gifts, at the least.
 
Doesn't Romans 11 explain it good enough for you all?

What does abiding in Christ refer to?

Can you be more specific? Where does Romans 11 mention "abiding in Christ"?

One thing I remember from Romans 11 is that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

Is that what you were remembering?
 
Yep, Edward, it's all very self explanatory.
Fruitful branches are saved branches. They get to stay.

Unfruitful branches are unsaved branches: "10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother." (1 John 3:10 NASB)

They get cut off: "20...they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith... if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off." (Romans 11:20,22 NASB bold and underline mine)
 
This is impossible, since the Bible TELLS US that eternal life is a gift of God in Rom 6:23 and God's gifts are irrevocable in Rom 11:29.

There is no scripture in the Bible that says the gifts of God are irrevocable.

But you know that, which is why you don't post the scripture for all to see and examine, but rather you post your man made opinion and tag it with a scripture reference as if your opinion is scripture.


This is the mark of a heretic and those who promote false doctrine.

For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Romans 11:29

This does not say "all the gifts of God are irrevocable", as you falsely promote.

This scripture plainly states the gifts and calling are irrevocable.

These two things together are irrevocable as the context dictates.

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.
Romans 11:28-31


The unbelieving Jews who have rejected Jesus as Messiah still have the call of the Gospel available to them.


Unbelieving Jews do not posses eternal life, the connection is unmistakable, so your claim is impossible, since the context concerns unbelieving Jews.


Unless you can prove from the scriptures that unbelieving Jews who are enemies of the Gospel, have eternal life, then you are falsely promoting a doctrine that is from man, and not from the bible.



JLB
 
This is impossible, since the Bible TELLS US that eternal life is a gift of God in Rom 6:23 and God's gifts are irrevocable in Rom 11:29.


There are not any verses in Scripture that describe anyone being "removed from Christ". That, too, is an impossibility, since Eph 1:13 and 14 teach that those who believed are sealed with the Holy Spirit, a GUARANTEE for the day of redemption.

“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:1-6


Jesus teaches us that abiding in Him is likened to a branch that is connected or joined to a vine, in which the branch receives the "life" that the vine provides.

We who are "in Christ", are joined to Him as a branch is joined to the vine, in which we who are joined to Him, receive the eternal life from which He provides.


Jesus says those who do not remain or continue to be joined to Him, will wither and be cast into the fire and burned, no longer having access to the eternal life He once provided.


Those who are "in Him" have eternal life.
Those who are not "in Him" do not have eternal life.

In Him = Eternal life
Removed from Him = Eternal death; cast into the fire and burned.



JLB
 
I exegeted 1 John 3:9, which explains v.10, which you've not commented about in any way.

Why not just interact with my answers?
What is it about "children of the devil" that you do not understand?
"8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother." (1 John 3:8-10 NASB bold mine)

Per the above, fruitless branches are unsaved branches. Contrary to what you claim, they do not belong to Christ and do not have eternal life in them. And Paul says branches are cut out of the tree by reason of their fruitless unbelief (Romans 11:20 NASB). But your doctrine says John is wrong and fruitless branches are NOT obviously children of the devil but are really children of God with eternal life (Jesus) in them.
 
There is no scripture in the Bible that says the gifts of God are irrevocable.
Still wanting to play words games, eh?

OK, consider Rom 11:29 - for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.

Black.and.white. Just because I don't include "His call" every time doesn't change anything. There are TWO things in 11:29 that are mentioned as being IRREVOCABLE: God's gifts and God's call.

Or, are you going to argue about this? Your statement at the beginning of your post is blatantly wrong.

But you know that, which is why you don't post the scripture for all to see and examine
Is this really an insinuation that everyone who reads these posts is too stupid to find the verse for themselves??? I believe that those who read these posts easily have the skills necessary to find the verse for themselves.

And as has been noted by one of the mods, all one has to do is to hold the cursor over the citation and the actual verse pops up for the reader to see. So your claim here is bogus. I believe you can to better than this.

but rather you post your man made opinion and tag it with a scripture reference as if your opinion is scripture.
Since Rom 11:29 actually SAYS that "God's gifts and His call are irrevocable", your statement is patently false. It is only your own opinion that there is no Scripture that says that "God's gifts are irrevocable". I've PROVEN otherwise.

This is the mark of a heretic and those who promote false doctrine.
Yes, you've done that many times.

For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Romans 11:29
OK, I took the liberty to highlight your own false claim.

This does not say "all the gifts of God are irrevocable", as you falsely promote.
Where did I say "all" of God's gifts?? Please CEASE your false statements.

I have pointed out that Paul described 3 of God's gifts within the CONTEXT of the epistle to the Romans. And, in case you're not aware, 3 items fits withing the PLURAL (giftS), and therefore, cannot be dissociated from 11:29, as you'd seem to prefer.

This scripture plainly states the gifts and calling are irrevocable.
What is your point? Does the call of God eliminate the gifts of God from being irrevocable? Of course not.

These two things together are irrevocable as the context dictates.
Except they aren't equivalent, as it seems you are insinuating. Matt 22:14 says "many are called, but few are chosen". So OBVIOUSLY they aren't equated.

And Paul not only mentioned 3 specific gifts of God in Romans BEFORE he penned 11:29, he also noted that God's call is for the Gentiles as well as the Jews, just as the gift of eternal life is for all who believe, whether Jew or Gentile.
Rom 1:5 - Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake.
Rom 9:25 - As he says in Hosea: “I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people; and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”

So, what does one gain by trying to deny my point that God's gifts are irrevocable by adding His call? Nothing.

[QUOT]28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.
Romans 11:28-31[/QUOTE]
Where in this context does Paul describe ANY gift of God? Or mention the call of God?

The unbelieving Jews who have rejected Jesus as Messiah still have the call of the Gospel available to them.
As I have shown, Rom 1:5 and 9:25 include Gentiles as well. So your point is not taken.

Unbelieving Jews do not posses eternal life, the connection is unmistakable, so your claim is impossible, since the context concerns unbelieving Jews.
What is impossible is your misunderstanding of 11:29. Of course unbelieving Jews don't have eternal life. It is given ONLY to those who have believed. And we know exactly WHEN they receive this free and irrevocable gift: WHEN they believe. Jesus said so.

John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Notice WHEN one HAS eternal life. Those who believe. This means that the moment they believe they HAVE eternal life. It cannot be taken any other way. Or prove it.

Also, Jesus adds 2 other guarantees for those who believe, WHEN they believe: will not be judged (future tense), and has passed from death to life (eternal life, obviously), past tense.

Unless you can prove from the scriptures that unbelieving Jews who are enemies of the Gospel, have eternal life, then you are falsely promoting a doctrine that is from man, and not from the bible.
Since I've NEVER claimed that any unbeliever has eternal life, your challenge is bogus.

I really don't understand why this line of thinking continues, since there is no justification for it. Are you just not reading my posts?
 
“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:1-6

Jesus teaches us that abiding in Him is likened to a branch that is connected or joined to a vine, in which the branch receives the "life" that the vine provides.

We who are "in Christ", are joined to Him as a branch is joined to the vine, in which we who are joined to Him, receive the eternal life from which He provides.

Jesus says those who do not remain or continue to be joined to Him, will wither and be cast into the fire and burned, no longer having access to the eternal life He once provided.

Those who are "in Him" have eternal life.
Those who are not "in Him" do not have eternal life.

In Him = Eternal life
Removed from Him = Eternal death; cast into the fire and burned.JLB
Since you seem focused on being "in Him" which can cease, we MUST consider Eph 1:13,14 and 4:30, which tells us HOW and WHEN we are placed "in Him".

And it's described as a seal. Now, the challenge for your position is to prove that anyone either HAS BEEN or CAN BE removed from being "in Him". That would include a statement from Scripture about this sealing with the Holy Spirit being removed, broken, etc.

As a good Berean, I look forward to whatever Scripture there is that supports your claim.

If there is any, it would seem you've been holding back. So, hold back no longer and provide whatever Scripture speaks about breaking or losing this sealing with the Holy Spirit.
 
What is it about "children of the devil" that you do not understand?
Not one thing.

So, let me ask this: when you sin personally, are you acting like a child of God, or a child of the devil?

This is not a trick question. It's a legitimate one.

"8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother." (1 John 3:8-10 NASB bold mine)

I have already exegeted v.9. If there is disagreement, please provide your exegesis of v.9, which explains v.10.

Thanks.
 
"8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother." (1 John 3:8-10 NASB bold mine)

As if the above was not clear enough, here John makes it clear he isn't talking about saved people acting like they are "of the devil", "children of the devil", and "not of God" (that's so ludicrous I can't believe you have the audacity to even suggest it, lol).

"14We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. 15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:14-15 NASB bold and underline mine)

He isn't suggesting for a moment that unfruitful people are 'really' saved and are just acting like the devil. He plainly says the one who hates DOES NOT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE IN THEM. So this is hardly a matter of unfruitful 'branches' only appearing to be of the devil. They ARE of the devil. That's why they get cut out of the tree and burned. They do not belong to Christ and do NOT have eternal life in them.
 
He isn't suggesting for a moment that unfruitful people are 'really' saved and are just acting like the devil.
If salvation were dependent upon bearing fruit, please cite every verse or any verse that makes that claim.

However, Eph 2:8,9 makes clear how anyone and everyone is saved: by grace through faith, and NOT of works (fruit).
 
If salvation were dependent upon bearing fruit, please cite every verse or any verse that makes that claim.

However, Eph 2:8,9 makes clear how anyone and everyone is saved: by grace through faith, and NOT of works (fruit).


11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. 14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity. 15 But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience. Luke 8:11-15

The message of eternal life through Christ Jesus, begins as a seed, in which it must come to fruition, in each of those who hear.

The seed must be kept, and brought to fruition in order for those who hear and receive the word to benefit from the seed that is planted in their heart.

Those who believe for a while, will not benefit from the seed, as it will not produce the fruit of eternal life, because they did not "hold fast" or keep it, until it fulfill's it's intended purpose.


Paul called this... believing in vain.

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2



JLB
 
I said this:
"If salvation were dependent upon bearing fruit, please cite every verse or any verse that makes that claim.

However, Eph 2:8,9 makes clear how anyone and everyone is saved: by grace through faith, and NOT of works (fruit)."
11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. 14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity. 15 But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience. Luke 8:11-15

The message of eternal life through Christ Jesus, begins as a seed, in which it must come to fruition, in each of those who hear.
Thats quite a stretch. Once again, only those believers who "keep it" will bear fruit.

This does not satisfy my request for any verse that claims that salvation is dependent upon bearing fruit.

As I pointed out, such a notion is directly, bluntly, and plainly refuted by Eph 2:8,9.

Salvation is by grace, through faith, and NOT OF WORKS (fruit).

The seed must be kept, and brought to fruition in order for those who hear and receive the word to benefit from the seed that is planted in their heart.
One is saved when one believes in Christ. That is biblical.

Here is the biblical proof:

Luke 8:12 "Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.

Acts 4:12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

Acts 11:14 and he will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.'

Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Rom 10:9, 10
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

1 Peter 1:5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.

2 Thess 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

Those who believe for a while, will not benefit from the seed, as it will not produce the fruit of eternal life, because they did not "hold fast" or keep it, until it fulfill's it's intended purpose.
Except there are no verses that speak of "producing the fruit of eternal life". That is just a man made word.

Paul called this... believing in vain.

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2
It seems your claim is that believing in vain means no fruit production.

But that goes against the very Greek word; which means "without purpose", not "lack of fruit production".
 
If salvation were dependent upon bearing fruit, please cite every verse or any verse that makes that claim.
Fruit bearing is what justifiying faith looks like.
That's the connection.

Even Paul points out that it is the faith that works through love (the fruit of the Spirit) that justifies.

"6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything (toward justification--see context), but faith working through love." (Galatians 5:6 NASB bold and parenthesis mine)

If you ain't got no fruit, you ain't got the faith that justifies/saves.
Fruit is how you know if the branch belongs to the tree.
 
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