What does the term "flesh" mean?

[Deborah13]

'Human nature" as it is in the flesh is sinful. I denied He had the sin that dwells in the flesh and nature of all other men.

So then do you believe that God created the first Adam with a sinful nature? Because when God created him, He said His work (creation) was 'good'.

Gee Deb have you ever heard of "the fall" and the tree of knowledge? Are you really trying to have an honest discussion? And act as if you don't know this most basic of biblical truths?

I ask you the same thing?
When God created man (Adam) God said,
Genesis 1 KJV
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

God created everything and man and He said it was, what George, VERY GOOD.

So what have I misunderstood in this scripture? Did God create man with a sinful nature and then call it very good? Man before he sinned did not have a sinful nature, it was his sin that caused the curse. Now man is born with a sinful nature, tainted by sin.
Jesus, being born with the nature of man, not tainted, but as the first Adam was before he sinned, He came as the second Adam but with the nature of God, as well. 100% man, 100% God.
He overcame sin, in His life, in His death, and in His resurrection.

Don't you find it so amazing, so much love, that God Himself would come as a man and overcome satan and sin, for us, sinful man?
To walk on this earth with us, to allow satan to tempt Him as a man? There is no God like Him. No other religion, no other belief of any kind, that has such a god, as our God.
So by His example, how should we be overcoming satan, sin, the same way He did. By the Word of God and by His Spirit, He lives in us.

 

[George Muller]

'Human nature" as it is in the flesh is sinful. I denied He had the sin that dwells in the flesh and nature of all other men.

So then do you believe that God created the first Adam with a sinful nature? Because when God created him, He said His work (creation) was 'good'.

Gee Deb have you ever heard of "the fall" and the tree of knowledge? Are you really trying to have an honest discussion? And act as if you don't know this most basic of biblical truths?

I ask you the same thing?
When God created man (Adam) God said,
Genesis 1 KJV
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

God created everything and man and He said it was, what George, VERY GOOD.

So what have I misunderstood in this scripture? Did God create man with a sinful nature and then call it very good? Man before he sinned did not have a sinful nature, it was his sin that caused the curse. Now man is born with a sinful nature, tainted by sin.
Jesus, being born with the nature of man, not tainted, but as the first Adam was before he sinned, He came as the second Adam but with the nature of God, as well. 100% man, 100% God.
He overcame sin, in His life, in His death, and in His resurrection.

Don't you find it so amazing, so much love, that God Himself would come as a man and overcome satan and sin, for us, sinful man?
To walk on this earth with us, to allow satan to tempt Him as a man? There is no God like Him. No other religion, no other belief of any kind, that has such a god, as our God.
So by His example, how should we be overcoming satan, sin, the same way He did. By the Word of God and by His Spirit, He lives in us.

Yes, deb there was that "tree" and the "fall" To act as if that is not the point where the flesh of man became corrupt is just to miss the "WHOLE" biblical account and might I add to fail to see the true purpose and need for Christ to come and suffer in the flesh for us.

Ro 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned--

2Co 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

 

[JCitoL]

No mention of "yoga" but sin that came into the flesh of all men through the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Don't be deceived all flesh is corrupt not just the devil worshippers.

and what is the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" except occultism/esotericism and human(666) spirituality/religion in general?!, and isn't (it) "yoga" the greatest occult/esoteric/human(666) doctrine?!, and (why) must the guiltless people be vitiated/defiled/corrupted because of the spiritual/religious iniquity of others?!

Jeremiah 31:29-31 "In those days they(i.e. the Prophets of the God's/Lord's testament) shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:"

God is spiritual and His Kingdom is spiritual as well, satan is also spiritual and its kingdom is spiritual too, and exactly the spiritual is the basis of all things in the universe, so the original/very sin is also spiritual, because there is no way any other thing to be the cause of so great evils/ills

Blessings

 

[George Muller]

and what is the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" except occultism/esotericism and human(666) spirituality/religion in general?

Its all mans sin, not just this group or that group, its hatred and selfishness, its the lie in every mans heart and mouth. See the purpose of the 10 Commandments is so that ALL OF US would see that we are in this fallen and sinful condition. The fact that some point to the sin and error in others and seem unwilling or unable to see their own condition, proves one is still under the power and deception of that tree. None are righteous "no not one" all have sinned and fallen short of Gods Glory. See the first Adam walked in the glory of God, and was covered and clothed in that glory, it was this forbidden knowledge from this tree that brought man into the condition of sin, and in the eyes of the Lord, we are all the same in this respect. Those who think they are better than others, or those who point to the fault in the flesh of others are always the very worst of sinners themselves, these are those that Christ called "vipers" and children of the devil. For they are worse than the harlot who can admit her sin and need for grace.

 

[gr8grace]

I think what theologians call the 'hypostatic union', which is the wondrous union of the divine and human natures in the Person of Christ, we can simply acknowledge it as an established fact. I don't think it would help to start to say, for example: 'As God He did this and that, but as man he did the other, etc.'

Hello Brother.

I do believe that Christians need to see some of the Distinctions of the Hypostatic union at certain points in their walk.(maybe not on this site or thread)

For example:

As a Christian we should know that Jesus went into the desert as 100% Human. He did not use his Deity to overcome Satan And the temptations. He used the Word and the Spirit to overcome all the Temptations. And we, as Christians Have the exact same word and Spirit to overcome those temptations.

Jesus is our perfect example of How to overcome in this "desert" and we have the exact same power at our finger tips and we can be just as successful at overcoming temptation and sin....His Spirit and His word.

I think it is vital for a maturing Christian to perceive and metabolize when Jesus was speaking or acting through his humanity(Jesus) or His deity(Christ).

Thoughts?

 

[gr8grace]

'Human nature" as it is in the flesh is sinful. I denied He had the sin that dwells in the flesh and nature of all other men.

So then do you believe that God created the first Adam with a sinful nature? Because when God created him, He said His work (creation) was 'good'.

Gee Deb have you ever heard of "the fall" and the tree of knowledge? Are you really trying to have an honest discussion? And act as if you don't know this most basic of biblical truths?

I ask you the same thing?
When God created man (Adam) God said,
Genesis 1 KJV
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

God created everything and man and He said it was, what George, VERY GOOD.

So what have I misunderstood in this scripture? Did God create man with a sinful nature and then call it very good? Man before he sinned did not have a sinful nature, it was his sin that caused the curse. Now man is born with a sinful nature, tainted by sin.
Jesus, being born with the nature of man, not tainted, but as the first Adam was before he sinned, He came as the second Adam but with the nature of God, as well. 100% man, 100% God.
He overcame sin, in His life, in His death, and in His resurrection.

Don't you find it so amazing, so much love, that God Himself would come as a man and overcome satan and sin, for us, sinful man?
To walk on this earth with us, to allow satan to tempt Him as a man? There is no God like Him. No other religion, no other belief of any kind, that has such a god, as our God.
So by His example, how should we be overcoming satan, sin, the same way He did. By the Word of God and by His Spirit, He lives in us.

Great post Deb.

 

[George Muller]

Gee Deb have you ever heard of "the fall" and the tree of knowledge? Are you really trying to have an honest discussion? And act as if you don't know this most basic of biblical truths?

I ask you the same thing?
When God created man (Adam) God said,
Genesis 1 KJV
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

God created everything and man and He said it was, what George, VERY GOOD.

So what have I misunderstood in this scripture? Did God create man with a sinful nature and then call it very good? Man before he sinned did not have a sinful nature, it was his sin that caused the curse. Now man is born with a sinful nature, tainted by sin.
Jesus, being born with the nature of man, not tainted, but as the first Adam was before he sinned, He came as the second Adam but with the nature of God, as well. 100% man, 100% God.
He overcame sin, in His life, in His death, and in His resurrection.

Don't you find it so amazing, so much love, that God Himself would come as a man and overcome satan and sin, for us, sinful man?
To walk on this earth with us, to allow satan to tempt Him as a man? There is no God like Him. No other religion, no other belief of any kind, that has such a god, as our God.
So by His example, how should we be overcoming satan, sin, the same way He did. By the Word of God and by His Spirit, He lives in us.

Great post Deb.

yes she seems to want to claim some portion of the nature of Adam (before the fall) and then try to lecture back to others that which she denied (or seemed to deny) over and over in other post? Yes this seems very common also on these forums, some are caught in the error of their doctrine and then turn around and act as if they are preaching to the very ones that exposed their error in the first place. Also be sure to notice the pride it takes to try to attempt to include part of their previous error, and some how mix it all together as if they where not in error to begin with? I tell you that dishonesty in the Word of God hinders many, and keeps many from knowing the blessings and sure promises of God. If one cannot be humble in the Word, and be honest in their discussions of its truth? That man or woman is in need of putting their flesh to death, for it is the flesh that works such pride in believers.

 

[Deborah13]

yes she seems to want to claim some portion of the nature of Adam (before the fall) and then try to lecture back to others that which she denied (or seemed to deny) over and over in other post?

I don't remember stating any such thing, George. Please show me where I did that.
I have been corrected many times by other brothers and sisters in Christ, right here on this forum. When they can clearly point out my error and show me scripture, I am grateful. I do not want to be in error.
However, I am never PREACHING to anyone, God has not called me to preached. He has not anointed me to preach.
But this is an open forum where we discuss our opinions and we don't always agree. Frankly, there is only ONE person on this forum that I consider as anointed to PREACH and I take his posts very seriously. There are others that I consider as teachers, elders with you will, and they have taught me and corrected me and brought joy to my heart. They brought me, GRACE.

 

[George Muller]

yes she seems to want to claim some portion of the nature of Adam (before the fall) and then try to lecture back to others that which she denied (or seemed to deny) over and over in other post?

I don't remember stating any such thing, George. Please show me where I did that.
I have been corrected many times by other brothers and sisters in Christ, right here on this forum. When they can clearly point out my error and show me scripture, I am grateful. I do not want to be in error.
However, I am never PREACHING to anyone, God has not called me to preached. He has not anointed me to preach.
But this is an open forum where we discuss our opinions and we don't always agree. Frankly, there is only ONE person on this forum that I consider as anointed to PREACH and I take his posts very seriously. There are others that I consider as teachers, elders with you will, and they have taught me and corrected me and brought joy to my heart. They brought me, GRACE.

Your words;

Oh but Jesus was born with the nature of man, we all agree that He was 100% man and 100% God. Because He was born with the nature of man, He could be tempted. God cannot be tempted, so scripture says. This is the very reason that He could be a sacrifice for our sin. Because He overcame the nature of man by the nature of God. He walked in the Spirit not in the flesh.
The problem is this idea that when man is born he is sinful because of Adam's sin. No he is born with the nature of Adam. With the capability to sin and he will for sure. But Jesus came with that nature of Adam and never sinned.
This is the lesson of walking in the Spirit of God and not the 'flesh' the nature of man.
We grow from faith to faith and glory to glory, as we are transformed into the image of the Son.

The Lord was not born with the nature of Adam after the fall of man, "sin" dwells in the flesh of all men, Jesus was born from the seed of the Holy Spirit and not that of Adam, it is not correct to suggest that He had this sin in His flesh as we do. This was the point that was made to you over and over. Do you still hold that Christ Jesus had the condition of sin in His flesh as all other men?

 

[farouk]

In relation to the Lord Jesus and His mother, I believe the usual Protestant summary is that he was born 'of her substance, sin apart'. (He did not inherit the sinful Adamic nature from Joseph, who was 'supposed' to be his father, but was not.)

Blessings.

 

[Deborah13]

The problem is this idea that when man is born he is sinful because of Adam's sin. No he is born with the nature of Adam

Yep, man is born with the nature of Adam, human nature. Before Adam sinned did he have the same human nature before he sinned? It seems to that he was capable of sinning, because HE DID. But Adam was a man and only a man, he was NOT God in the flesh, he had no claim as DEITIY, and neither do we.

Jesus was both. Jesus had two separate natures. Human nature and God's nature.

Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

The following are quotes from articles by Matt Slick

This is the union of the two natures (Divine and human) in the person of Jesus. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8).

GOD MAN He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33)He worshiped the Father (John 17)He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5)He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)He is prayed to (Acts 7:59)He prayed to the Father (John 17)He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)He knows all things (John 21:17)He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)He gives eternal life (John 10:28)He died (Rom. 5:8)All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)

He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)​

 

[farouk]

The problem is this idea that when man is born he is sinful because of Adam's sin. No he is born with the nature of Adam

Yep, man is born with the nature of Adam, human nature. Before Adam sinned did he have the same human nature before he sinned? It seems to that he was capable of sinning, because HE DID. But Adam was a man and only a man, he was NOT God in the flesh, he had no claim as DEITIY, and neither do we.

Jesus was both. Jesus had two separate natures. Human nature and God's nature.

Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

The following are quotes from articles by Matt Slick

This is the union of the two natures (Divine and human) in the person of Jesus. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8).

GOD MAN He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33)He worshiped the Father (John 17)He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5)He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)He is prayed to (Acts 7:59)He prayed to the Father (John 17)He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)He knows all things (John 21:17)He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)He gives eternal life (John 10:28)He died (Rom. 5:8)All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)

He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)​

[MENTION=93058]Deborah13[/MENTION]:

Yes, I think everything you've written here would be my understanding of Scripture also.

Blessings.

 

[George Muller]

The problem is this idea that when man is born he is sinful because of Adam's sin. No he is born with the nature of Adam

Yep, man is born with the nature of Adam, human nature. Before Adam sinned did he have the same human nature before he sinned? It seems to that he was capable of sinning, because HE DID. But Adam was a man and only a man, he was NOT God in the flesh, he had no claim as DEITIY, and neither do we.

Jesus was both. Jesus had two separate natures. Human nature and God's nature.

Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

The following are quotes from articles by Matt Slick

This is the union of the two natures (Divine and human) in the person of Jesus. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8).


GOD MAN He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33)He worshiped the Father (John 17)He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5)He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)He is prayed to (Acts 7:59)He prayed to the Father (John 17)He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)He knows all things (John 21:17)He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)He gives eternal life (John 10:28)He died (Rom. 5:8)All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)

He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)​

Not sure how you copied a portion of my post to take it out of its context and meaning, but I hope you are proud of your ability to do such things, I am sure the Lord is well pleased with such ability, The Lord did not have "sin in the flesh" as we do, His nature was not that of fallen man, if you choose to promote such things by deception and twisting of the scriptures as you have with my own post, then may God grant you repentance from such things. I can not rebuke you (as I should) for my affection for you and the goodness and love of the truth that I have seen in the past in your post, will not allow me to treat you as the others who do such things. My only recourse seems to be to pray that the sincerity I have witnessed in the past would return to your heart. As far as the discussion of this issue with you, I must reject your ability to be honest on this issue and account that a discussion with you cannot be fruitful.

 

[gr8grace]

The problem is this idea that when man is born he is sinful because of Adam's sin. No he is born with the nature of Adam

Yep, man is born with the nature of Adam, human nature. Before Adam sinned did he have the same human nature before he sinned? It seems to that he was capable of sinning, because HE DID. But Adam was a man and only a man, he was NOT God in the flesh, he had no claim as DEITIY, and neither do we.

Jesus was both. Jesus had two separate natures. Human nature and God's nature.

Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

The following are quotes from articles by Matt Slick

This is the union of the two natures (Divine and human) in the person of Jesus. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8).

GOD MAN He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33)He worshiped the Father (John 17)He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5)He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)He is prayed to (Acts 7:59)He prayed to the Father (John 17)He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)He knows all things (John 21:17)He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)He gives eternal life (John 10:28)He died (Rom. 5:8)All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)

He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)​

From my understanding, you are spot on.

 

[George Muller]

Ro 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 ¶ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Now anyone who believes this is the condition of the Lord and His flesh, is in the greatest of errors. Anyone who does not accept that this is true of themselves, is just deceived by the same flesh they "think" is not in a state of utter and complete corruption. Be deceived if you like, form another religious group whereby through the deception of religion you can get your ears of flesh "tickled" and believe that you and others are better than the harlot on the street or the drug-addict. No! your best religious efforts are but dung, and many harlots will see and know God before the religious who trust in the flesh.

 

[gr8grace]

The problem is this idea that when man is born he is sinful because of Adam's sin. No he is born with the nature of Adam

Yep, man is born with the nature of Adam, human nature. Before Adam sinned did he have the same human nature before he sinned? It seems to that he was capable of sinning, because HE DID. But Adam was a man and only a man, he was NOT God in the flesh, he had no claim as DEITIY, and neither do we.

Jesus was both. Jesus had two separate natures. Human nature and God's nature.

Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

The following are quotes from articles by Matt Slick

This is the union of the two natures (Divine and human) in the person of Jesus. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8).


GOD MAN He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33)He worshiped the Father (John 17)He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5)He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)He is prayed to (Acts 7:59)He prayed to the Father (John 17)He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)He knows all things (John 21:17)He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)He gives eternal life (John 10:28)He died (Rom. 5:8)All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)

He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)​

Not sure how you copied a portion of my post to take it out of its context and meaning, but I hope you are proud of your ability to do such things, I am sure the Lord is well pleased with such ability, The Lord did not have "sin in the flesh" as we do, His nature was not that of fallen man, if you choose to promote such things by deception and twisting of the scriptures as you have with my own post, then may God grant you repentance from such things. I can not rebuke you (as I should) for my affection for you and the goodness and love of the truth that I have seen in the past in your post, will not allow me to treat you as the others who do such things. My only recourse seems to be to pray that the sincerity I have witnessed in the past would return to your heart. As far as the discussion of this issue with you, I must reject your ability to be honest on this issue and account that a discussion with you cannot be fruitful.

I say calm down my friend. Did you read Debs post # 88. If that is not humility and a willingness to take a step back to listen. That is a true act of grace from our friend Deb.

You can do what ever you want, but if I wrote that to Her I would be on my knees.

I do not read anywhere that deb says "our Lord had sin in His Flesh"

 

[Deborah13]

"Man before he sinned did not have a sinful nature, it was his sin that caused the curse. Now man is born with a sinful nature, tainted by sin."

You know what George, I'm glad you have been reading my posts. I just reread something I wrote that was not clear as to what I believe. I don't believe man is born with a "SINFUL" nature. I believe man is born with a "human nature" that is corruptible and man will sin against God.

Without Jesus, the Holy Spirit, in us, we are bound to be lost in sin.

Hebrews 2:18
For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

Do you still hold that Christ Jesus had the condition of sin in His flesh as all other men?

George, where did I say the Jesus had the condition of sin in His flesh, as all other men?
Give me the direct quote and post #. Thank you

Jesus was born from the seed of the Holy Spirit

Jesus was the seed of the Father and Genesis says the seed of the woman. Which I gave you that scripture, and through her, the virgin Mary (a very special woman indeed) He was the seed of Abraham.
This says to me, that God has jumped through hoops to get man saved!

Oh and by the way, discussion not about my nature, but about JESUS and Him being 100% man and 100% God. Which I see you do not believe.


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[gr8grace]

"Man before he sinned did not have a sinful nature, it was his sin that caused the curse. Now man is born with a sinful nature, tainted by sin."

You know what George, I'm glad you have been reading my posts. I just reread something I wrote that was not clear as to what I believe. I don't believe man is born with a "SINFUL" nature. I believe man is born with a "human nature" that is corruptible and man will sin against God.

Without Jesus, the Holy Spirit, in us, we are bound to be lost in sin.

Hebrews 2:18
For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

Do you still hold that Christ Jesus had the condition of sin in His flesh as all other men?

George, where did I say the Jesus had the condition of sin in His flesh, as all other men?
Give me the direct quote and post #. Thank you

Jesus was born from the seed of the Holy Spirit

Jesus was the seed of the Father and Genesis says the seed of the woman. Which I gave you that scripture, and through her, the virgin Mary (a very special woman indeed) He was the seed of Abraham.
This says to me, that God has jumped through hoops to get man saved!

Oh and by the way, discussion not about my nature, but about JESUS and Him being 100% man and 100% God. Which I see you do not believe.


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Deb look into this if you want. God imputed Adams sin to every man. Every man is born condemned. It is a blessing in Disguise. God did it this way so everyone ever born could be an object of salvation.

That way , all Children and people that do not have the mental capacity to believe, Can be imputed with Christs righteousness and Be saved. Gods Justice was satisfied on the Cross for all of our personal sins.

God bless.

 

[George Muller]

"Man before he sinned did not have a sinful nature, it was his sin that caused the curse. Now man is born with a sinful nature, tainted by sin."

You know what George, I'm glad you have been reading my posts. I just reread something I wrote that was not clear as to what I believe. I don't believe man is born with a "SINFUL" nature. I believe man is born with a "human nature" that is corruptible and man will sin against God.

Without Jesus, the Holy Spirit, in us, we are bound to be lost in sin.

Hebrews 2:18
For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

Do you still hold that Christ Jesus had the condition of sin in His flesh as all other men?

George, where did I say the Jesus had the condition of sin in His flesh, as all other men?
Give me the direct quote and post #. Thank you

Jesus was born from the seed of the Holy Spirit

Jesus was the seed of the Father and Genesis says the seed of the woman. Which I gave you that scripture, and through her, the virgin Mary (a very special woman indeed) He was the seed of Abraham.
This says to me, that God has jumped through hoops to get man saved!

Oh and by the way, discussion not about my nature, but about JESUS and Him being 100% man and 100% God. Which I see you do not believe.


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Do you believe that Jesus was 100% the same as Paul describes in Romans 7? You will no doubt say no? Then He was not the same we are in nature, right? So the term 100% man as it relates to the "flesh" is not true right? We have a "flesh" as Paul describes and He has a "flesh" that was without sin, right? Please just answer these simple questions without taking my words out of context.

 

[George Muller]

Deb look into this if you want. God imputed Adams sin to every man

Ro 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 ¶ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Does these scripture imply that "sin" is just "imputed" or is a fact that makes man unable to keep the Commandments of the law? Is this sin that dwelleth in Paul, in all of us?