What Gifts from God are revocable?

[JLB]

JLB. Love ya, but you openly admit that you are not saved at this time. You need to get saved and get the Spirit.

Acts 16:31. The Lord Jesus Christ died and rose again for you and your sins...........trust in His work. Get the indwelling of the Spirit and we can talk.

Please show me a scripture in the Bible with the word "revoked" in it.

 

[JLB]

No. Go back. Where did God give an individual or a specific person a GIFT and later revokes it.

If God said," JohnDB, I give to you perfect health and perfect wealth.....forever."........can you give an example from scripture that he later revokes that gift or promise.

Please show us where the Bible uses the word "revoked" in a scripture with context.


JLB

 

[dirtfarmer]

hello gr8grace, dirtfarmer here

The land that was promised to Abraham is in the hands of Israel, or at least part of it is, but during the millennium they will possess all of it. Israel is the only people that were estranged from their land for about 3000 years and then returned in 1948.

 

[Edward]

Can anyone name a gift from God, that He has given to an individual that is revocable?.

You've been given several so far and don't seem to hear them.

Here's another....What about Adam & Eve? They got booted out of the Garden of Eden. Specific people, specific gifts revoked.

 

[FreeGrace]

Eyesight...I believe that in Romans Paul talks about a "veil" that the Jews were going to have concerning the Gospel...
And not everyone is born blind.

Interesting comment. Let's see what Paul said about a veil in 2 Corinthians:
13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away.
14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.
15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.
16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

So, it's clear that God removes the veil after one turns to the Lord. That means anyone can turn to the Lord even when the veil covers their hearts.

The list is long and mighty...these are but a few. Sampson, Annanias, Sapphira, Gehazi, and several others would say that they all lost gifts from God as a result of their sins.

Is there Scripture about losing gifts as a result of sins?

 

[FreeGrace]

Gen_15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
2Ki 17:23 Until the LORD removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day.

Gifts?

 

[FreeGrace]

1Ki 1:30 Even as I sware unto thee by the LORD God of Israel, saying, Assuredly Solomon thy son shall reign after me, and he shall sit upon my throne in my stead; even so will I certainly do this day.


1Ki 11:11 Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.

Was Solomon's kingdom a gift to him? He inherited the kingdom from his father.

One might better consider the kingdom of David a gift, since he was a shepherd. Or Saul.

But I don't find Scripture describing being a king as a gift of God.

 

[FreeGrace]

gr8grace3 said this:
"14 The Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him, “Now lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward;

for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your descendants forever."

Do they have it?

If one takes the word of the Lord at face value, then the only answer is YES. And they will have it forever, just as the Lord said they would.

God didn't take the land from the Jews. He took the Jews from the land, many times, as discipline for their sins.

Are the Jews now IN the land or not?

 

[FreeGrace]

So forever is not really for ever

So God doesn't really mean what He says???!!

I recommend reading Rev 21. The New Jerusalem has 12 gates, one for each of the tribes.

Where will the New Jerusalem settle when it descends from heaven? Israel.

So, yes, the Lord really meant forever.

 

[FreeGrace]

Romans 11:29King James Version (KJV)
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. if one fails to use / exercise the gift God gave you (spiritual ) it just will not happen

Possession of a gift does not require its use or exercise. Whatever that means. Possession is the issue regarding gifts.

The OP is about what gifts has God removed (loss of possession) from people.

No evidence from Scripture that the gift of eternal life has been, or will be, removed from anyone.

 

[FreeGrace]

Job...
God blessed him and took it all back.

Not really. It was satan who took from Job his wealth, family and health. God let him, sure, but God didn't do it.

 

[FreeGrace]

Again i ask do they have the land

Yes, they are IN the land, right now. Not all of what has been promised, but we know from Scripture that they WILL.

 

[FreeGrace]

they lost it via disobedience

They are IN it right now.

 

[FreeGrace]

No mention of Salvation in your scripture.

He already noted Eph 2:8.

Faith is the gift mentioned here in Ephesians 2:8-9

Nope. The "it" refers back to "you are saved". The gift is salvation, just as eternal life is a gift. They are synonymous.

Furthermore the word irrevocable is the Bible, which is also rendered without repentance, simply means -
"Without regret" in the Greek.

To give a gift "without regret" clearly means not to take it back.

When one takes back a gift, they obviously regretted giving it in the first place.

 

[FreeGrace]

Please show us where the Bible uses the word "revoked" in a scripture with context.
JLB

Wouldn't this prove that God DOESN'T revoke His gifts? Lack of evidence for it.

Great question, JLB.

 

[FreeGrace]

You've been given several so far and don't seem to hear them.

Here's another....What about Adam & Eve? They got booted out of the Garden of Eden. Specific people, specific gifts revoked.

Where is the Garden of Eden described or referred to as a gift to A & E?

You mentioned "specific gifts", so I ask for a specific reference about the Garden being a gift to them.

 

[Edward]

Where is the Garden of Eden described or referred to as a gift to A & E?

You mentioned "specific gifts", so I ask for a specific reference about the Garden being a gift to them.

Allright Brother, the word gift isn't in there. But uh, what makes you think that it wasn't? Life was a gift. Daily fellowship with the Lord was a gift, dominion over the Earth was a gift...how could you not see that? And...when they disobeyed...it was revoked. Most of it. No more fellowship, no more dominion, and then they had to work and toil for a living and their sustenance.

The word gift not being in there does not mean they were not gifts. :wink

 

[JLB]

He already noted Eph 2:8.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of GodEphesians 2:8.

No gift of salvation mentioned in Ephesians 2:8.

The gift mentioned is faith.

Nope. The "it" refers back to "you are saved". The gift is salvation, just as eternal life is a gift. They are synonymous.

The "it" is not in the original scriptures as indicated by the italics.

Even if it was, it refers back to the previous mentioned subject which is faith.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, Ephesians 2:8

No gift of salvation mentioned in Ephesians 2:8

The gift mentioned is faith.

To give a gift "without regret" clearly means not to take it back.

Not at all.

If I give a gift to my son, and have to take it back, I can certainly do so, even if I don't regret it.


The bottom line is, irrevocable doesn't mean it in the way you are trying to uses it, since God certainly does remove what He gives us that leads to salvation.

Forgiveness or covenant relationship.




Case closed.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Gifts?

Yes the "gift" of covenant relationship was removed, as she so plainly gave you the scripture.

Covenant breakers don't remain in covenant.

Just as a man divorces an unfaithful wife who breaks the marriage covenant by committing adultery.


Case closed.


JLB

 

[WIP]

Thanks John.

But I am looking for a gift that He has given a person, and He later revoked.
Not the common grace gifts he gives to all. But a gift He gives a person. Like the gift of eyesight he gave to the blind man. Can you or anyone specify a gift that he later 'took back?'

Just throwing this out there and not in a position to argue one way or another but what about the gift of life to Adam and Eve?

“Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” Genesis 2:16-17 NKJV