What is the gospel?

[andy pandy]

Uh…NO! I quoted C Stanley then I posted Mk 16:16. That is not what I think, that is fact. C Stanley teaches false doctrine and makes stuff up. Again as a fellow PhD I would think you would want to put me in my place and show all why I am wrong and Charles is right. Im pretty sure you two believe very much the same. You are welcome to set me straight on that.

Uh....YES! And as far as I can see, everyone who does not agree with you teaches false doctrine.

 

[andy pandy]

If you are a PhD and this your idea of coming to a Bible forum to discuss the Bible then this is Pathetic! You should be all over me. Why? Because I must be a false teacher and a PhD should never let a false teacher get away with leading people astray. A PhD in bible and you wont even discuss the Bible. I asked you….At what point was Saul of Tarsus “born again”? You dont even care to study this basic Bible question. Like I said….you haven’t disappointed me.

Dear me. You are so naive. I don't answer questions that are asked to prove you are right and everyone else is wrong. Sorry, but I didn't come down in the last shower.

 

[andy pandy]

Also if what you claimed was true, that you wanted an answer about Saul of Tarsus being born again, it was answered for you.

Why carry on in strife, while ignoring you had your question answered ( without strife ) by someone.

I have a very strong feeling he has an argumentative spirit that he needs deliverance from.

 

[andy pandy]

The Gospel is Jesus Christ choosing His sheep ( they hear His voice and know His voice)

The Shepherd knows His sheep, and is known of them. ( they believe in His name)





John 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:






Paul is chosen, to glorify God ( to preach the faith he once destroyed) by suffering great things for the name of the Lord. ( Jesus Christ.)

Paul asks right away to Christ, what he should do, as right away he knows the voice of the Shepherd. The Son of God is revealed in Paul, ( the Spirit calling us) and Paul goes to Him and arises, and baptized, and wash away the sins, calling on the name of the Lord. ( born again of the Holy Spirit.)





Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Acts 22:13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.



Galatians 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Galatians 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
24 And they glorified God in me.

Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:




Then as Ephesians 3 shows, made known unto the sons of men, it is now revealed unto His Holy Apostles and prophets by the Spirit, to be of the same body and partakers of the promise of God( to Abraham of the hope of eternal life in Christ.)

An excellent post Gordon.

 

[gordon777]

I have a very strong feeling he has an argumentative spirit that he needs deliverance from.

We are delivered from the wrath to come through faith in Christ, and it is His faith He gives to us. ( don't you believe in that deliverance from wrath yourself.)


1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.



If you did believe ( we are delivered from thew wrath to come through the Son of God Jesus Christ) then you would avoid the wrath of man( his many words, and lack of being swift to hear instead.)



James 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

 

[gordon777]

An excellent post Gordon.

Thanks but no post is excellent, I am only here temporarily, as a brief testimony, then I am gone.

Hear wisdom speak, for that is what is excellent, why should we think anything else is wisdom ( excellent) there is no other voice to hear for the sons of men..



Proverbs 3:4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

 

[Cnkw3]

Uh....YES! And as far as I can see, everyone who does not agree with you teaches false doctrine.

That’s all you got to say about the doctrine of people getting to heaven without baptism (which is clearly against what Jesus said) and then regretting it in heaven? I spend all this time using the Bible to support what I say and a PhD in a week has not given me any verse of any kind to support anything? If im wrong you should be able to the passages, show how I misused them and then show me the correct way I should be using them.
You know, Im starting to question this PhD thing?

 

[gordon777]

That’s all you got to say about the doctrine of people getting to heaven without baptism (which is clearly against what Jesus said) and then regretting it in heaven? I spend all this time using the Bible to support what I say and a PhD in a week has not given me any verse of any kind to support anything? If im wrong you should be able to the passages, show how I misused them and then show me the correct way I should be using them.
You know, Im starting to question this PhD thing?

You do know the scripture of repeating being like a tinkling symbol ( when we have no charity in our heart and words)




1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

1 Corinthians 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.





Nobody gets to heaven and regrets they were not baptized, the wicked never see light. ( because they never loved their brother)




Psalm 49:19 He shall go to the generation of his fathers; they shall never see light.

1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

 

[Cnkw3]

Dear me. You are so naive. I don't answer questions that are asked to prove you are right and everyone else is wrong. Sorry, but I didn't come down in the last shower.

Yea. You dont answer ANY questions!
Ok. What questions will you answer? Lets just find one. I still can’t believe you would let such a false teaching heretic get away with any of this without any discussion whatsoever?
Jesus didnt much care for some of the questions and the motive behind them that the chief priest and the pharisees would ask but he still dealt with them.
For example…
Matt 21:23-27 And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men?
And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

He didnt much care for it but he shut them up real quick.

 

[gordon777]

That’s all you got to say about the doctrine of people getting to heaven without baptism (which is clearly against what Jesus said) and then regretting it in heaven? I spend all this time using the Bible to support what I say and a PhD in a week has not given me any verse of any kind to support anything? If im wrong you should be able to the passages, show how I misused them and then show me the correct way I should be using them.
You know, Im starting to question this PhD thing?

Keep saying over and over, phd, would you think they might be idle words to give account for one day.


Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

 

[gordon777]

Yea. You dont answer ANY questions!
Ok. What questions will you answer? Lets just find one. I still can’t believe you would let such a false teaching heretic get away with any of this without any discussion whatsoever?
Jesus didnt much care for some of the questions and the motive behind them that the chief priest and the pharisees would ask but he still dealt with them.
For example…
Matt 21:23-27 And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men?
And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

He didnt much care for it but he shut them up real quick.

The false teaching heretic after one and two admonitions, is rejected, who said they had to be answered as they demand. ( is it not hypocritical to say someone ignores your words, and yet you do that at the very same time)



Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

 

[gordon777]

And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men?
And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

He didnt much care for it but he shut them up real quick.

Jesus was asked to provide signs and gave none, and also asked to tell them plainly who He was, He did not do as they asked. ( that is dealing with them too)


Mark 8:12 And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.

John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

 

[Cnkw3]

You do know the scripture of repeating being like a tinkling symbol ( when we have no charity in our heart and words)

By standing up to false doctrine I am doing the most loving thing that anybody could do. False doctrine will send you to hell. All im trying to do is stop that.
You just posted a passage earlier that condemns this idea of regretting not being baptized in heaven
2 Cor 7:10. For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.
There is to be no regret in salvation. So how can a PhD preacher stand up and say such nonsense in front of a huge congregation and TV audience? And Im the bad unloving guy for pointing it out

 

[gordon777]

By standing up to false doctrine I am doing the most loving thing that anybody could do. False doctrine will send you to hell. All im trying to do is stop that.
You just posted a passage earlier that condemns this idea of regretting not being baptized in heaven
2 Cor 7:10. For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.
There is to be no regret in salvation. So how can a PhD preacher stand up and say such nonsense in front of a huge congregation and TV audience? And Im the bad unloving guy for pointing it out

No I showed you the verses which show we do not have to clear away again and again and again, what has been cleared by zeal of Christ ( belief in Jesus Christ rising from the dead to life in us)



2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

 

[gordon777]

By standing up to false doctrine I am doing the most loving thing that anybody could do. False doctrine will send you to hell. All im trying to do is stop that.
You just posted a passage earlier that condemns this idea of regretting not being baptized in heaven
2 Cor 7:10. For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.
There is to be no regret in salvation. So how can a PhD preacher stand up and say such nonsense in front of a huge congregation and TV audience? And Im the bad unloving guy for pointing it out

If you stood up to false doctrine, you would have some charity in you, and talk about the love of Christ( laying His life down for us) and how charity is what gives us all understanding, and without it, we can have none.

 

[gordon777]

By standing up to false doctrine I am doing the most loving thing that anybody could do. False doctrine will send you to hell. All im trying to do is stop that.
You just posted a passage earlier that condemns this idea of regretting not being baptized in heaven
2 Cor 7:10. For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.
There is to be no regret in salvation. So how can a PhD preacher stand up and say such nonsense in front of a huge congregation and TV audience? And Im the bad unloving guy for pointing it out

We can see now, if you do stand up to false doctrine or not, because if you cant, you will fall.

 

[gordon777]

By standing up to false doctrine I am doing the most loving thing that anybody could do. False doctrine will send you to hell. All im trying to do is stop that.
You just posted a passage earlier that condemns this idea of regretting not being baptized in heaven
2 Cor 7:10. For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.
There is to be no regret in salvation. So how can a PhD preacher stand up and say such nonsense in front of a huge congregation and TV audience? And Im the bad unloving guy for pointing it out

It is not right to challenge someone who does not want to be challenged, especially while ignoring one who is challenging you.

 

[Cnkw3]

Keep saying over and over, phd, would you think they might be idle words to give account for one day.


Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

I dont think you are using this correctly like many other verses you have posted. “Idle” just means useless and unprofitable.
When Jesus called the scribes and the pharisees…snakes, white washed tombs, blind leaders of the blind, fools, full of dead mens bones ( thats pretty bad). Would you consider these idle words he may one day have to answer for? I haven’t called anybody any names. He is the one that brought up his education. Why would anybody come on here and start bragging about something like that and then not back it up with a decent defense of the Bible against a clear false teacher as myself?

 

[gordon777]

I dont think you are using this correctly like many other verses you have posted. “Idle” just means useless and unprofitable.
When Jesus called the scribes and the pharisees…snakes, white washed tombs, blind leaders of the blind, fools, full of dead mens bones ( thats pretty bad). Would you consider these idle words he may one day have to answer for? I haven’t called anybody any names. He is the one that brought up his education. Why would anybody come on here and start bragging about something like that and then not back it up with a decent defense of the Bible against a clear false teacher as myself?

Firstly you label the man a bragger. ( showing yourself full of envy, or all of bitterness like Simon in Acts 8.)



Mark 15:10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.

Acts 7:9 And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him,

Acts 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

 

[gordon777]

I dont think you are using this correctly like many other verses you have posted. “Idle” just means useless and unprofitable.

Every word we speak is accountable, whether you disagree with me or not, it is easy to show, we live or die by our words, and our words have to be words of life to not die...


Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.