When it's time to realize you're dealing with a lying spirit?

[YosefHayim]

Thing is, we are told not to judge someone else servant, and what we judge, Jesus said it's measured back to us. I take that very seriously, and I don't need to set out and expose anyone. My not agreeing with them, does not make me the one to set them out and expose them.

We have to ask how we would want to be treated. Once we get perfect knowledge, and become like Jesus, then we can expose away. Otherwise, where I miss it, am wrong, I want grace to help me see truth and would rather people pray for me, and not make me look bad.

A righteous judge, has authority to judge and change something with authority. Employee's under us are certainly people we have a right to judge and fire or compliment. Those we have no authority, then judgement is just without power, and makes us a unrighteous judge. It's just talking and speaking evil of those we are not Lord over.

We can decided for our own selves, if we need to listen or not listen. It's a whole other matter when we disgrace someone, and not have perfect knowledge of all things ourselves. This, I avoid.

be blessed.

What about Eph 5:11?

 

[Sinthesis]

People can be sincerely wrong about all kinds of stuff without technically lying. Why do they believe what they believe? There is usually a resistance to give on one point for fear their whole interconnected belief system could start to unravel. Sense we are talking about Christianity, we should not be surprised at the effort put into defending what some believe is important to their faith. It's further complicated if they believe certain things have been directly revealed to them by the Holy Spirit. Accept those things were in error and admit you've been deceived? Perhaps by another spirit? Scary.

Also, some people just like to argue.

 

[JLB]

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:6-9

Paul placed a curse on those who perverted the Gospel.

Specifically the context is about those whose preach the Gospel and add that keeping the law of Moses is required.

What does being cursed mean?

Here is one example.

Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41


JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

To me, there is a big difference between a "lying spirit" and someone who is simply standing up for their beliefs, even when their beliefs are wrong.

Yes, there is a difference. I agree.
A lying spirit is someone who is sure the sky is green, likes to make sure everybody knows it, then when you show them the scripture that says "the sky is blue" continues to insist the sky is green and they spend limitless time explaining why the sky is green, not blue. It's not that they were purposely lying in the beginning. It's just that after they became more informed about what the Bible says they chose to lie, and twist the truth instead of conforming to the truth.

In time God will turn them over to the lie and they won't be able to know the truth and they become the victim of their own deceit. It's actually at that point, IMO, that they become the vessel of a lying spirit. But before that they continue in their ways of creating of enough doubt and confusion to rationalize what they know in their heart is a lie. That's actually the lying spirit I'm addressing in this thread. It's the spirit of the narcissist.

None of us has access to the full knowledge of God, so none of us know it all, even though some act ike they do.

I make it a point to not talk too much about things I know little to nothing about, like end-times stuff.

I don't think most people will come to a forum like this to deliberately and knowingly tell a bunch of lies, and that's more the kind of thing I think of when I hear the term "lying spirit".

I agree. It seems most of the time the person is simply choosing to lie instead of be corrected. It's a pride thing.

 

[evenifigoalone]

A lying spirit is someone who is sure the sky is green, likes to make sure everybody knows it, then when you show them the scripture that says "the sky is blue" continues to insist the sky is green and they spend limitless time explaining why the sky is green, not blue. It's not that they were purposely lying in the beginning. It's just that after they became more informed about what the Bible says they chose to lie, and twist the truth instead of conforming to the truth.

That's difficult to apply to all but the most fundamental of Biblical truths, imo. There are different ways to interpret a lot of scripture, like the end times. I doubt anyone has those doctrines 100% correct, they're just that complicated. Though, I wouldn't say most doctrines are so complex as that. End times is probably the most difficult-to-decipher stuff in the Bible.

 

[Deborah13]

In regard to the right to 'judge' other's salvation I was keying off these scriptures:

15 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector." (Matthew 18:15-17 NASB)

6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6 NASB)

Jesus gives us the room to decide who should be regarded as an unbeliever. We are to do that when someone in the church refuses reconciliation. And when we are sharing the Word of God. Somewhere along the line we have to decide who is a 'gentile' (one without God), a 'tax collector' (an enemy of the people of God?), and a 'dog', and a 'sow'.

This is the way I understand these scriptures...
In the first scripture, one person is not making a decision, about another person sin, on their own. It is the elders that make the decision as to how that person will be treated. Even then it does not say that they are not saved, it is judging their behavior at that point in time.
In the second scripture, it is talking about giving someone kindness because of the Gospel and they continue to reject the Gospel and even to slander the Lord, then we shake the dust from our feet and move on.

 

[Brother Mike]

What about Eph 5:11?

That is a good question. How do we reconcile not judging others publicly with let what we speak be with grace to the hearers and Judging not, so that we might not be judged. Then told to reprove works of darkness?

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
(2Ti 4:2-3)

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; (Or Benny Hinn) with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
(1Co 5:11-12)

Judging, What did Jesus say and what is our instruction?
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
(Luk 6:36-37)

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.
(Luk 6:41-42)

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
(Mat 7:2)

Before we get to putting down people's doctrines, or calling them heretics and false teachers, we have to ask if this is what we want others to do to us. Jesus did not say, "Don't Judge" Jesus did not say that. Jesus said that it will come back the same. It does come back, in the form of trying to find a job, trying to get favor to rent, whatever you try to do, at some point that same measure will come back.

So before we judge, or put someone down, no matter how goofy they seem to us, we have to accept the same type of judgement will be given to us. I certainly don't want others speaking bad about me that I don't even know. I would rather people come up to me and explain things to me if I am wrong in a loving way that will help me.

Right correction, Right Judgement.
Rom_14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

We don't judge another mans servant. We can trick ourselves into saying that Benny Hinn, or Peter Ruckman, or Kenneth Copeland, can't possibly be the "LORD'S" servant, because we don't agree with what they are doing and teaching.

What if the Lord is working with the people we don't agree with? What if the Lord has called them, is correcting them, does have plans for them? What if their doctrine is right, and it's us that need corrected?

We don't know, and even Jim Baker who did wrong, still had a call, a plan, and when He needed support the most, others where tearing him down. He lost everything, His wife, battled cancer in prison. After He repented, the Lord gave back a studio, and let him continue his work for the Lord. He is a lot different now. We don't want to judge someone the Lord has actually called. They may have gotten off, but that don't remove the calling on their life.

Right correction, Judge within.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
(1Co 5:11-12)

We don't judge folks that are not within our range. Even Paul did not judge others that were not part of what He was doing. Even in Church, If I see someone messing up, I am not their Pastor. If the Holy Spirit says talk to them, then I will, but most the time I just know something and have to watch them get out of the will and plan of God. Correction only helps if someone is willing to receive it, other wise it just makes them upset at you. I would rather they not be upset at me, and maybe the Lord can use me later to help them.

Judge by our light and conviction of doing good.
We have the Holy Spirit, who is with us, reproving the World of sin.

For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
(Eph 5:8-14)

What is reproving here? It's not us opening our mouth, or writing articles on how bad someone is. The Light on us and how we walk does the reproving. The Works are manifest by that light.

Amplified:
Take no part in and have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds and enterprises of darkness, but instead [let your lives be so in contrast as to] expose and reprove and convict them.
(Eph 5:11)

This is why I don't put other ministers down. Me agreeing with them or not does not give me the green light to bash them to others. No matter how irritated I am, I don't put my mouth on someone the Lord may have called and is trying to fix.

Even so, someone my say that Benny Hinn helped them, and got them healed and helped their family. Well, it could be, God used a Donkey to save a Prophet, I don't want to put down someone that someone else had gotten help from, even if it's in their mind. It's real enough to them, good enough for me.

Blessings.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I tend to think that the motives of others isn't so easily determined

Yes, but does that mean we are never allowed to decide a person is simply being a liar? Obviously, 'no'. So when can we decide a person is simply being a liar to avoid being wrong?

What's a hinnway though. Two and a half pounds, but exactly what's a hinnway?

Well, I don't know what a 'hinna weighs', but I'll assume Kenny_ms knows what he's talking about.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Yes, but does that mean we are never allowed to decide a person is simply being a liar? Obviously, 'no'. So when can we decide a person is simply being a liar to avoid being wrong?


Well, I don't know what a 'hinna weighs', but I'll assume Kenny_ms knows what he's talking about.

I can't think of any specific examples though I'm sure they exist. Though rather than calling them a liar I would most likely say something like "I think you're wrong, but I don't think you're going to change your mind. Thanks for the discussion, I'll back out now."

 

[evenifigoalone]

This is the way I understand these scriptures...
In the first scripture, one person is not making a decision, about another person sin, on their own. It is the elders that make the decision as to how that person will be treated. Even then it does not say that they are not saved, it is judging their behavior at that point in time.
In the second scripture, it is talking about giving someone kindness because of the Gospel and they continue to reject the Gospel and even to slander the Lord, then we shake the dust from our feet and move on.

I imagine those would refer to major sins, too, that affect others as well as one's witness. Like theft, adultery...can anyone clarify this more?

 

[Kenny_ms]

A hen weighs about 2 1/2 pounds....sheesh!

Well, I don't know what a 'hinna weighs', but I'll assume Kenny_ms knows what he's talking about.

Well, at least someone got close.

Thing is, we are told not to judge someone else servant, and what we judge, Jesus said it's measured back to us. I take that very seriously, and I don't need to set out and expose anyone. My not agreeing with them, does not make me the one to set them out and expose them.

I think if a man is preaching lies, they need to be exposed, At the very least, the lies need to be exposed, but if we expose lies, does that make us judgmental hence, we should just sit quietly and let lies happen? We just have a difference of opinion there and we aren't the only ones who differ on that.

I do think you missed the point of my post though. My/anyone exposing someone, in my view does not automatically mean we're judging them or maybe it does, I'm in no position to judge anyone. Is telling the truth, judging? Is telling someone they are wrong, judging them? Where are the lines?

My not agreeing with them, does not make me the one to set them out and expose them.

But it means you are judgmental of what they think or how they act and if you are judgmental of what they think/how they act, are you not judging them? Are you judging me right now? (not that I feel you are)

See how touchy this can be?

 

[Deborah13]

I imagine those would refer to major sins, too, that affect others as well as one's witness. Like theft, adultery...can anyone clarify this more?

I think, we can see this in the man who was having an affair with his father's wife. If he is allowed to continue to meet with the congregation, in order to not appear to be condoning his sin, something has to be said or done. Every time he shows up, should they make a spectacle of him and his sin by rebuking, or is better for both the congregation and him to not allow him to be present until he repents? This is not to be seen as excommunication but hopefully temporary. Paul says when he repents allow him to return, so that he doesn't become overly sorrowful. If we refuse to forgive and keep holding someone's bad behavior over their head, we can harm them, and it could be permanent. Instead be joyful with them, in their turning back to God.
I think sometimes we don't realize how powerful our witness is. If we don't forgive someone, that could lead them to believe that God hasn't forgiven them either, especially in immature believers and children. So God says forgive even as I have forgiven you.

 

[Brother Mike]

A hen weighs about 2 1/2 pounds....sheesh!

Well, I don't know what a 'hinna weighs', but I'll assume Kenny_ms knows what he's talking about.

Well, at least someone got close.




I think if a man is preaching lies, they need to be exposed, At the very least, the lies need to be exposed, but if we expose lies, does that make us judgmental hence, we should just sit quietly and let lies happen? We just have a difference of opinion there and we aren't the only ones who differ on that.

I do think you missed the point of my post though. My/anyone exposing someone, in my view does not automatically mean we're judging them or maybe it does, I'm in no position to judge anyone. Is telling the truth, judging? Is telling someone they are wrong, judging them? Where are the lines?

My not agreeing with them, does not make me the one to set them out and expose them.

But it means you are judgmental of what they think or how they act and if you are judgmental of what they think/how they act, are you not judging them? Are you judging me right now?

See how touchy this can be?

My only hope is to get people to Avoid judgement for something they don't fully understand yet. You reap what you sow, God is not mocked, it really does come back, is real, and the Word never returns void.

Folks right now are frustrated that things are not going right, can't figure out why God is not answering prayers, and don't even realize they are getting the harvest off what they have judged others.

Not judging and asking the Lord to show them and help them brings reward. I want people to have good things in their life.

Some kid stole my bike at work, I was mad and had to walk home. It was a cheap 10 speed, I paid under 100.00 for it, but it was what I had. On the way home I see this kid ridding my bike. He is just doing circles in the street and ridding it around. My first thought was to knock him off it and get my bike back.

I said, "Lord, I forgive that kid, and I am sowing that bike into his life. I ask you not to hold anything against him."

So, I just walked to work the rest of that week. The next week I get a call from someone to come to the Salvation Arm thrift shop. I knew the guy, so I went to see him and he had a 15 speed someone had sold to him, new condition and valued over 500.00. He told me the Lord had put me in his heart and that He was suppose to give that bike to me.

Preaching Lies:
Attacking doctrine, is not the same as attacking the man with the doctrine. Keep in mind though, truth is only in our limited thinking, and what the Lord has revealed to us. All of us think we believe right, otherwise we would have changed what we thought was not right. It's still not always right though. Bringing up a Doctrine is not judging a person. Trinity, Oneness, Modalism, OSAS, Serpent Seed, Monilism, On and on. We can discuss away.

Judge/Judgmental:
Also take no heed unto all words that are spoken; lest thou hear thy servant curse thee: For oftentimes also thine own heart knoweth that thou thyself likewise hast cursed others.
(Ecc 7:21-22)

When I am hearing Junk, I think, that don't sound right to me Lord. If it's close to being right, I might check it out in scriptures. I try to avoid putting the person down, or thinking they are rock stupid. I don't what that in my heart, and I don't know everything, and they don't know everything.

Not everyone is going to make everyone happy. I am not a fan of the Modern Trinity Doctrine, Lots of Oneness folks would jump on my side and say preach it. Their happy until I tell them I am not a fan of the Oneness doctrine either. Now I have JW's, Mormon's and Trinity Purist shouting for me. The rest are screaming Heretic and writing blogs on how evil I am.

Your not going to win with everyone. See what they think about your Jesus doctrine in Iran. Are you wrong, and the thousands in Iran looking to hang you right? They would believe so, though you are convinced your correct.

As scripture says, there is a Judge, and unless that person is under us, we have no business setting out others in a bad light. We are not exposing anything, and not changing anyone's mind, but sowing bad things to come back to us in the future.

Be blessed.

 

[jasonc]

Yes, there is a difference. I agree.
A lying spirit is someone who is sure the sky is green, likes to make sure everybody knows it, then when you show them the scripture that says "the sky is blue" continues to insist the sky is green and they spend limitless time explaining why the sky is green, not blue. It's not that they were purposely lying in the beginning. It's just that after they became more informed about what the Bible says they chose to lie, and twist the truth instead of conforming to the truth.

In time God will turn them over to the lie and they won't be able to know the truth and they become the victim of their own deceit. It's actually at that point, IMO, that they become the vessel of a lying spirit. But before that they continue in their ways of creating of enough doubt and confusion to rationalize what they know in their heart is a lie. That's actually the lying spirit I'm addressing in this thread. It's the spirit of the narcissist.



I make it a point to not talk too much about things I know little to nothing about, like end-times stuff.


I agree. It seems most of the time the person is simply choosing to lie instead of be corrected. It's a pride thing.

it doesn't hurt to read up on the positions of end times that are debated here.i have an opinion on eschatology. its right because I say it is right.lol.

 

[Deborah13]

I do think you missed the point of my post though. My/anyone exposing someone, in my view does not automatically mean we're judging them or maybe it does, I'm in no position to judge anyone. Is telling the truth, judging? Is telling someone they are wrong, judging them? Where are the lines?

Some of us were raised with another saying, "If you cannot say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all."
I have been guilty of doing that on this forum, especially about Benny Hinn. I was wrong to do that, the Lord called me on it. Some had already said it, I wasn't listening.

I think we can look to the scriptures for what we can do and should do. That is speak out against the teachings themselves and we can do that without mentioning any names. John did this a lot in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd John.

My own personal conviction is that the apostles were given authority that was never given to anyone else, other than those the apostles directly gave it to. They could do spiritual things that we cannot and were never given the authority to do, such as Paul turning the man over to satan. No pastor, no pope, no evangelist, etc. can say they have that apostolic authority.

 

[Kenny_ms]

Some kid stole my bike at work, I was mad and had to walk home. It was a cheap 10 speed, I paid under 100.00 for it, but it was what I had. On the way home I see this kid ridding my bike. He is just doing circles in the street and ridding it around. My first thought was to knock him off it and get my bike back.

I said, "Lord, I forgive that kid, and I am sowing that bike into his life. I ask you not to hold anything against him."

So, I just walked to work the rest of that week. The next week I get a call from someone to come to the Salvation Arm thrift shop. I knew the guy, so I went to see him and he had a 15 speed someone had sold to him, new condition and valued over 500.00. He told me the Lord had put me in his heart and that He was suppose to give that bike to me.

Do you think it would have been wrong to get your bike back?

And you will call this nit picky and maybe even judgmental but the guy who gave you the Bike....from all my dealings with then salvation army, they are to sell that stuff and use the proceeds for good, yet he gave it to you? Am I right about that?

Bringing up a Doctrine is not judging a person. Trinity, Oneness, Modalism, OSAS, Serpent Seed, Monilism, On and on. We can discuss away.

Some might say that's judging, but I agree. But if I warn someone of a man that perpetually preaches false doctrine to line their own pockets and that fact is perfectly obvious to me, am I wrong, especially when I warn those that are completely oblivious to that type thing and are actually under the spell of some of these preachers (and that does happen. And sure, I suppose you will have your way of handling this type thing.....as do I.

Judge/Judgmental:
Also take no heed unto all words that are spoken; lest thou hear thy servant curse thee: For oftentimes also thine own heart knoweth that thou thyself likewise hast cursed others.
(Ecc 7:21-22)

I think "cursed is a different thing that we are talking about here. To curse someone would mean I have gone beyond what one might call judging and moved into sentencing. In the end, I can do neither.

When I am hearing Junk, I think, that don't sound right to me Lord. If it's close to being right, I might check it out in scriptures. I try to avoid putting the person down, or thinking they are rock stupid. I don't what that in my heart, and I don't know everything, and they don't know everything.

I'm not talking about these people. Only when I'm 100% convinced these evil men know exactly what they are doing and it is definitely not a matter of some mild, he/me not knowing everything, will I speak out. you will generally only find me going after the big boys/girls.

Jesus rebuked the Pharisees, and yes, it's true, Jesus has the right, but what If, say, I rebuked the Parsees too, would I be judging them?

And don't get me wrong here, I'm trying to be convinced here if I am wrong but there are so many fine lines, I want to make sure that I am wrong before I'm convinced.

Not everyone is going to make everyone happy. I am not a fan of the Modern Trinity Doctrine, Lots of Oneness folks would jump on my side and say preach it. Their happy until I tell them I am not a fan of the Oneness doctrine either. Now I have JW's, Mormon's and Trinity Purist shouting for me. The rest are screaming Heretic and writing blogs on how evil I am.

Your not going to win with everyone. See what they think about your Jesus doctrine in Iran. Are you wrong, and the thousands in Iran looking to hang you right? They would believe so, though you are convinced your correct.

If you don't mind, or would rather back down due to possible repercussion, that is your choice, and with minimal things like that, not saying I would or would not but, no big deal either way, however, I still don't think you are getting what I'm saying here. Little differences of opinion are fine and you'll usually get no stink raised from me when it happens, but when there is a group of people out there, in position to and ARE trying to deceive the world for their own benefit, I'm getting vocal.

We are not exposing anything, and not changing anyone's mind, but sowing bad things to come back to us in the future.

That is simply not true Mike. We DO expose, and plant a seeds for the deceived to check things out for themselves and we might and some most likely have....I'd even go so to far as to say some HAVE... changed minds. The same way Christians do many things, plant a seed and sooner or later it may take root and do someone a lot of good, maybe even save their soul.

 

[Kenny_ms]

Mike, on the Guy with the Bike, did he know about your situation before he called you?

 

[Kenny_ms]

Some of us were raised with another saying, "If you cannot say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all."
I have been guilty of doing that on this forum, especially about Benny Hinn. I was wrong to do that, the Lord called me on it. Some had already said it, I wasn't listening.

I've always liked that saying but in my view, as sayings often go "There are exceptions to every rule"

I have not been called on it as of yet.

I think we can look to the scriptures for what we can do and should do. That is speak out against the teachings themselves and we can do that without mentioning any names. John did this a lot in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd John.


I like that idea too, but there is a point there where it is impossible to keep up with these people as they are constantly coming up with a new game to counter their exposed ways, so what works best is to expose the man and that covers what he might teach at the time.

Would saying "It is my opinion" that this man is this and that and people should be very careful/leery of him and his doctrine? Would that be acceptable? Technically speaking, is that still "judgment" or not?

 

[Brother Mike]

Mike, on the Guy with the Bike, did he know about your situation before he called you?

You sort have gotten my point. You say if your 100% convinced. What does you thinking in your own mind about being 100% convinced have anything to do with anything?

There is no fine line here.

Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
(Jud 1:8-10)

bottom Line is, You can speak against anyone you like. I promise though, you won't want that harvest back later, and the harvest will come. Worse, It might be years later, and folks band together to stop something you were hoping for convinced in their own minds you were wrong. No other reason, but that you have to be judged the same way.

Even Michael, did not bring railing accusations against the devil. Michael is in the same class of spirit that the devil is, and kept his tongue. Let me tell you, we don't wrestle after flesh and blood, and any false teachers out there, any con artist, are being backed by the devil. Michael could have said plenty of things that would have been true and right against the devil. He is a murder, a thief and a disobedient spirit.

Let's read on....... That 100% thinking that we are right, comes from only what we know naturally. Speaking evil, or putting down someone based on natural knowledge just brings corruption back.

Now, more than once, the Holy Spirit has said to me.......... "Don't listen to that."

We can't be everyone's Holy Spirit for them, and we can't work out everyone's Safety, deliverance, and healing for them "Salvation".

Our best course of action when someone comes and asks....... What do you think about the Popoff guy selling that healing water, what a scam artist. Your best answer is just smile and say, well, God bless him, and the Lord show him if He's wrong.

That is the judgement you want coming back to you, if you screw up, or even if your right but a group thinks you need burned at the stake.

Judge not, and you shall not get Judged. It's real simple, no fine lines here. If you want judged, then go right ahead and rip apart everyone that does not do what YOU think they should be doing.

Be careful what you believe about someone.
http://newsbuzzdaily.com/televangel...rrested-for-stealing-tithes-this-past-sunday/

Bike story, next post.

 

[Brother Mike]

Mike, on the Guy with the Bike, did he know about your situation before he called you?

NO, I had stayed in that homeless shelter, and the guy knew me. He was the guy that ran the shop part for the Salvation Army. I never told anyone about my Bike being stolen. I did preach (Teach) to the men I stayed with every night, and being a resident, I helped wherever I could. The guy came and found me, He had no idea my bike was taken, when the bike came in, He said He had a real strong impression after he paid 200.00 for it, to give it to me. He said he knew it was the Lord.

The bike was mine, the kid stole it. My choice not to confront the Kid though was based on something the Lord taught me 2 years before. Had the Lord not shown me this, I would have gotten my bike back. We all have what revelation we have.

In Prison: The Skoal caper.
I chewed Tobacco had chewed it since I was 16. I was running out of Skoal, and at 10.00 a month pay for prison work, it did not really cover the Skoal expense.

One guy, a small little white dude wanted my special Paint pens I had picked up in another prison. He was a Artist, or claimed to be. I did not want to part with the pens, they were like 5.00 a piece. He kept bugging me, and I finally said I would give him the pens, If He picked up one can of Skoal for me when He went to commissary. So, I gave him the pens in exception that the next day He would get me a can of chew.

I waited, he came back, No Skoal. I asked, "Where is that can of chew? We had a deal. I want my pens back."

He called me a Mark, a punk, He said I was just punked out, and if I don't like it we can box. This guy was half my size, I was mad. I still had to keep my witness, and I thought as a Christian, I just can't knock this guy out. Besides, fighting gets an extra 5 years added to the time you have to do, and I only had over a year and a half left. I walked away.

I prayed, and told the Lord, I just forgive that guy, he can keep the pens, I am giving him the pens Lord, I don't want this on my heart, and I am not going to entertain bitterness. No way.

That was the end of that. The next day the guy got in trouble and ended up in segregation, and I never saw him again.

1 Year Later:
I stopped chewing, and was working my night laundry Job in the Kitchen (dietary) Since it was night, there was no movement in the Yard unless escorted. I was minding my own business as I worked alone, doing the laundry when a guy walks in my small laundry room I had never seen.

He was not dressed as a prisoner, but not as a guard either. Green hat, fatigues, shiny boots, I thought I might be in trouble for something. Nobody is suppose to be able to get where I was at without escort.

He says, "You are Mike, right?"

I said, ya, not knowing what to expect.

He said, "The Lord has sent me to give you these."

He pulls out two brand new cans of Skoal and hands them to me. I sort of half said, "Well, Praise God, I guess."

He then did something strange, he said right after me, "Praise and Glory be to our Most High God." Really loud, then turned around and left.

I went around the corner to look to see what door he was heading to, but He just like vanished. It was all very strange.

I sat down and I said. "Thank you Lord, but I stopped chewing, you know that."

Just then, the Lord spoke to me. It was so loud, it like vibrated inside me. He said, "I rather you not chew those, but I am not mocked, where you have sown, I will always perform my Word, and you shall reap. I always repay."

Just then that incident I forgot about a year ago, came flooding back.

It was because of this, I just let that black kid keep my bike. Also why I got a revelation about Jesus saying if they want to take you coat, give them your cloak. Also, How I judged, came back to me. It was only two cans, but I think the Lord was showing me the principle, and the amount was not that important.