Where are the miracles?

[Elihoenai]

I would only assume that every true Christian has heard about the lake of fire, but here are a few scriptures for you to read. Matthew 13:47-50; 25:41; Revelation 20:10-15.

You claim whoever the "we" are like you are some special group are scripture based, but yet you show no scripture that supports what you say and only skirt around our questions to you without answering them.

Revelation 20:14-15 King James Version

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Yes, a person that has not been Baptised in Jordan River, that dies today, is cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Elihoenai]

Can you tell us what God's standards are in being a true disciple?

Luke 14:33 King James Version

33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

You must forsake all that you have to be a True Disciple.

 

[Elihoenai]

Yes

Hebrews 8:6 King James Version

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Why would the Messiah/Christ return to revive old Levitical Feast, when the New Covenant he gave is better? Is John's Water Baptism a Levitical Practice?

 

[Elihoenai]

Elihoenai The post above was my post #(111). You haven't yet even attempted to answer these questions.



Your most recent post above to me does not attempt to answer the questions. Thus as I said, your crying about a 'fault' has no basis.

What are the false claims? What is the fake gospel? What is the true gospel?

Quantrill

Romans 14:5 King James Version

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

The Real Yeshua/Jesus answers those questions. You have to be fully convinced in your own mind.

 

[Elihoenai]

Asking a question doesn't mean you answer my repeated questions in post (195). It just means you continue to refuse or can't answer them?

Quantrill

Matthew 24:5 King James Version

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

The Real Yeshua/Jesus is the answer.

 

[for_his_glory]

for_his_glory, Given that you have stated that you must do everything that Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ speaks and does, you must Baptise in River Jordan. Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ did Baptise in River Jordan.

scripture please

 

[for_his_glory]

2 Peter 1:20 King James Version

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

I mean that we have no private interpretation of Scripture. We speak of the same teachings as Yeshua/Jesus, Lawgivers, Prophets, Disciples and Apostles.

Why do you skirt around the questions we ask? Do you even know what it means to have a personal relationship with Christ? It has nothing to do with prophecy or any interpretations. Do you have Christ in you? Are you indwelled with the Holy Spirit? Are you Spiritually born again from above?

 

[for_his_glory]

Apparently, that's what you see. What you see is not necessarily the truth.

This is all we in this thread see coming from you as not being the truth as you evade our questions, post scriptures that have nothing to do with what you are even saying. No one is going to believe your theories that man in whatever group you are in is teaching you if you can not back yourself up with scripture and answering the simplest questions we ask of you to show us in scripture.

 

[for_his_glory]

Revelation 20:14-15 King James Version

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Yes, a person that has not been Baptised in Jordan River, that dies today, is cast into the lake of fire.

Again, this is getting tiring as page after page you give no scripture where it says we have to be baptized in the Jordon River and because of this you are presenting a false gospel to the world. It's all by God's grace through faith in Christ that we can be saved, Ephesians 2:8.

Rev 20:14-15 does not support having to be immersed in the Jordon river. Do you even know what the second death is?

 

[for_his_glory]

Revelation 20:14-15 King James Version

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Don't you think then that this would scare you enough that you should travel there immediately, right now, as we are not promised our next breath or even tomorrow. If you were to die tonight then you are going to the lake of fire for eternity. Why are you not packing your bags and leaving?

 

[daninthelionsden]

Hebrews 8:6 King James Version

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Why would the Messiah/Christ return to revive old Levitical Feast, when the New Covenant he gave is better? Is John's Water Baptism a Levitical Practice?

Christ is now our High Priest. Our High Priest is no longer a corrupt/fallible human.
Zech states the Feast will indeed be observed. Do you see anything in Zech. stating otherwise?
Recent excavations indicate baptismal pools were used during the time of the Temple. These pools were not being used for the purpose God intended. Even though John was qualified to be in the Temple Administration, he worked outside the Temple administration and baptized as God intended.
Christ had not yet been crucified nor had He taken His place as High Priest when John baptized.
Were all those baptisms John performed under Christ? No. Christ had not even started His ministry when John baptized. Jesus was a Jew and was baptized by a Jew as a Jew. At that point in time, baptism was in the name of the Father only. So yes it was at that point Levitical, but not being administered properly except by John. Baptismal pools are being discovered in several places in Israel.
Now we baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is because we are now under the Kingdom administration of Christ. Jesus did not say "Go and bring them to be Baptized." He simply said "Go and Baptize" wherever He sent them.

 

[for_his_glory]

Luke 14:33 King James Version

33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

You must forsake all that you have to be a True Disciple.

This we can agree on, but how can you be His disciple as by what you say about being baptized in the Jordon River you are not even saved yet as that means you are not of Christ by what you teach.

There is a big difference between John the Baptist baptizing for the remission of sins and that of the Baptism of Christ for receiving the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. In Acts 2 there were 120 in the upper room that received the Baptism of Christ and after Peter preaching to the crowd another 3000 we added to the body of Christ that day.

 

[PaulChristensen]

Not sure what you mean by no real disciples as we are all disciples of Christ working through God's power and authority just as the twelve did as we, like the twelve have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that works in us and through us.

The problem with today's Western churches is that there is a general skepticism concerning the supernatural, which does not exist in the third world. In African and Asian countries, they are very aware of the supernatural through their paganism and witch doctors. When the gospel is preached, the signs and wonders do follow, because when the people hear that God can and will heal the sick and release them from demonic power, they believe it, and it happens. This is why we hear more of miracles in third world countries.

Our Western churches are corrupted by "enlightenment" philosophy that follow Plato and Aristotle, who taught that the only reality is what we perceive through our five senses, and that anything supernatural is not real. This philosophy gave rise to Cessatonist teaching, which says that the supernatural gifts of the Spirit were just for the Apostolic period and when the canon of Scripture was established, miracles and Spiritual gifts weren't needed any longer. This form of unbelief has so pervaded the general churches, that the Holy Spirit cannot do much in the way of miraculous, in the same way that Jesus couldn't do any miracles in His home town of Nazareth.

Even when there are miracles of healing and deliverance, they are largely explained away by the critics. Also, the Prosperity gospel that Kenny Copeland and his brood of thieves and robbers (those who depart from the true gospel of Christ) have so corrupted the Charismatic movement, that many in churches have lost faith in signs, wonders, and miracles accompanying the preaching of the gospel.

So, in general, the Church is its own worst enemy when it comes to believing that signs, wonders, and miracles do follow the preaching of the gospel in today's world.

 

[Quantrill]

Romans 14:5 King James Version

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

The Real Yeshua/Jesus answers those questions. You have to be fully convinced in your own mind.

It's not my mind I'm worried about. I'ts yours. You make statements but cannot answer questions.

Your continual refusal to answer the questions reveal you don't know what you're talking about.

Quantrill

 

[Elihoenai]

scripture please

Mark 1:9-10 King James Version

9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

for_his_glory, Do you know that Yeshua/Jesus was Baptised in River Jordan?

 

[Elihoenai]

Why do you skirt around the questions we ask? Do you even know what it means to have a personal relationship with Christ? It has nothing to do with prophecy or any interpretations. Do you have Christ in you? Are you indwelled with the Holy Spirit? Are you Spiritually born again from above?

It has everything to do with Interpretation and Prophecy. Can those practising False Doctrine have a personal relationship with Messiah/Christ?

 

[Elihoenai]

This is all we in this thread see coming from you as not being the truth as you evade our questions, post scriptures that have nothing to do with what you are even saying. No one is going to believe your theories that man in whatever group you are in is teaching you if you can not back yourself up with scripture and answering the simplest questions we ask of you to show us in scripture.

1 John 2:26-27 King James Version

26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Answered that question already with Scripture.

 

[Elihoenai]

Again, this is getting tiring as page after page you give no scripture where it says we have to be baptized in the Jordon River and because of this you are presenting a false gospel to the world. It's all by God's grace through faith in Christ that we can be saved, Ephesians 2:8.

Rev 20:14-15 does not support having to be immersed in the Jordon river. Do you even know what the second death is?

Revelation 2:11 King James Version

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.


Being Baptised in Jordan River is an act of Faith.

Good question. What is the Second Death? Firstly stated in Revelation 2:11.

 

[Elihoenai]

Don't you think then that this would scare you enough that you should travel there immediately, right now, as we are not promised our next breath or even tomorrow. If you were to die tonight then you are going to the lake of fire for eternity. Why are you not packing your bags and leaving?

Hebrews 11:6 King James Version

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

We have Faith in Elohim/God that those truly seeking will accomplish all that Elohim/God demands of them.

 

[Elihoenai]

Christ is now our High Priest. Our High Priest is no longer a corrupt/fallible human.
Zech states the Feast will indeed be observed. Do you see anything in Zech. stating otherwise?
Recent excavations indicate baptismal pools were used during the time of the Temple. These pools were not being used for the purpose God intended. Even though John was qualified to be in the Temple Administration, he worked outside the Temple administration and baptized as God intended.
Christ had not yet been crucified nor had He taken His place as High Priest when John baptized.
Were all those baptisms John performed under Christ? No. Christ had not even started His ministry when John baptized. Jesus was a Jew and was baptized by a Jew as a Jew. At that point in time, baptism was in the name of the Father only. So yes it was at that point Levitical, but not being administered properly except by John. Baptismal pools are being discovered in several places in Israel.
Now we baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is because we are now under the Kingdom administration of Christ. Jesus did not say "Go and bring them to be Baptized." He simply said "Go and Baptize" wherever He sent them.

Luke 1:5 King James Version

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

John is a Levite. Is the Water Baptism in Christendom for Remission of Sins a Levite Practice?