Where are the miracles?

[jaybo]

I see. What if I have acquired supernatural immunity? Do I still have to place myself in confinement in order to ease your concerns for your own welfare? Does the vaccine trump all of that?

This is hypothetical and meaningless.

 

[hawkman]

What scripture are you referring to? Because the scriptures below is saying something different. It's just that we don't really believe them to be true!

Mark 11:3

For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Mark 11:24

Therefore, I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

1 John 5:14-15

14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: (“According to His will” is He will do it according to His Own will, not ours)

15 And if we know that he hears us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. (If we know He hears us is “BELIEF that God hears our petition). We are required to believe to receive.

Matthew 21:22

And All things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing ye shall receive.

Hebrews 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Simply put , God is The Supreme Being and we are not . I hope we agree on this point .

1 John 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

According to His will , according to God's will . It is not about what we want but it is about God's will for our life .

We need to realize that sometimes it’s just not God’s plan to heal or to fix a problem quickly for us. And that’s ok. He still loves us. He still has a plan. And He still has a profound purpose for that pain or trials we are going through that can end up blessing us beyond anything we could ever imagine.

Luke 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

We must come away with the realization that prayer is not dictating to God, but a humble and heartfelt expression of our attitude of dependency and need. Because of this, the one who truly prays is submissive to God's will is content with Him supplying his need according to the dictates of His sovereign pleasure.

 

[Edward]

This sounds like a death sentence.

Aw, Brother he prolly just missed the verses in Psalm 91:6-7 and needs to refresh himself in it.

 

[Edward]

Do you wear a seat belt while in a moving car?
Or is that "mandate" OK?

I'm sorry Brother but this sounds just a little odd to me, coming from you, who has spoken some serious faith on this forum! So let me ask you..

What happens when the ID chip is mandated? If we obey that, we will die, period. Anyone who takes the mark can not be saved. And...do you believe that Psalm 91 is the true word of God, literally?

 

[Hopeful]

Whether I wear a seat belt or not is not the deciding factor in how long I live.
God decides that.

I think I would prefer to be up and walking around than in a medically induced coma with a machine breathing for me.

 

[Hopeful]

So I can just unbuckle/de-vaccinate the vaccine in the future if it is found to be detrimental?
I don't think I'm getting your point?

I wonder if they used the same argument against the polio vaccine?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I think I would prefer to be up and walking around than in a medically induced coma with a machine breathing for me.

I've been there and God kept me alive.

 

[Hopeful]

I'm sorry Brother but this sounds just a little odd to me, coming from you, who has spoken some serious faith on this forum! So let me ask you..

What happens when the ID chip is mandated? If we obey that, we will die, period. Anyone who takes the mark can not be saved. And...do you believe that Psalm 91 is the true word of God, literally?

If the "ID Chip" infers allegiance to a hater of God, I will not take it.
A vaccine is for the good of all.
I wish my now dead cousin could have taken it, before he caught the virus.

As for Psalm 91...Who can say that the vaccine is not one of God's feathers of protection? (v. 4)

 

[Hopeful]

I've been there and God kept me alive.

I thank Him and praise Him for his mercy towards you.
But I also thank Him for the doctors, nurses, and science based medications and machines that allowed Him to save you.

 

[christian1724]

I wonder if they used the same argument against the polio vaccine?

It doesn't matter. It still won't negate the argument.

You chose to rely on a potion ( just in case God didn't have a handle on this virus?).
I would rather rely on God's will for me.
If that makes you feel self convicted, we can discuss that separately.

There is an old adage: "Misery loves company." Why do you insist on trying to force me to join you alls miserable vaccinated company.

 

[Edward]

If the "ID Chip" infers allegiance to a hater of God, I will not take it.
A vaccine is for the good of all.
I wish my now dead cousin could have taken it, before he caught the virus.

As for Psalm 91...Who can say that the vaccine is not one of God's feathers of protection? (v. 4)

Yes Brother, the mark of the beast is what I speak of. Honey there's nothing for dinner and I'm not allowed to go buy anything...


I suppose that the vaccine could be a feather of protection from the Lord. I personally doubt it myself, because it doesn't really have what I can discern to be the ring of God to it. How could it be from God, and our government want it so much for us that they mandate it?! When does the government ever agreed with God?!
I don't think so.

Plus, it's the last days and the enemy don't have much time and they know it. So they have ramped things up a bit in case you havent noticed. So we all have to ramp up our caution and discernment too or fall victim to deception.

Henry Kissinger is quoted as saying..."if the herd accepts this vaccine mandate then it is over. then they will accept anything..."

 

[Hopeful]

It doesn't matter. It still won't negate the argument.

You chose to rely on a potion ( just in case God didn't have a handle on this virus?).
I would rather rely on God's will for me.
If that makes you feel self convicted, we can discuss that separately.

There is an old adage: "Misery loves company." Why do you insist on trying to force me to join you alls miserable vaccinated company.

Frankly speaking, christian1724, I would not have been allowed to volunteer at the food bank without my vaccination.
I can serve God and others that way.
Plus, I won't get sick !
At least not as sick as the unvaccinated do.

 

[Hopeful]

Yes Brother, the mark of the beast is what I speak of. Honey there's nothing for dinner and I'm not allowed to go buy anything...


I suppose that the vaccine could be a feather of protection from the Lord. I personally doubt it myself, because it doesn't really have what I can discern to be the ring of God to it. How could it be from God, and our government want it so much for us that they mandate it?! When does the government ever agreed with God?!
I don't think so.

Plus, it's the last days and the enemy don't have much time and they know it. So they have ramped things up a bit in case you havent noticed. So we all have to ramp up our caution and discernment too or fall victim to deception.

Henry Kissinger is quoted as saying..."if the herd accepts this vaccine mandate then it is over. then they will accept anything..."

Does something Henry Kissinger says have "the ring of God to it"?

I consider vaccines and medicines as gifts from God to thwart the efforts of him that is bent on the destruction of all man-kind.

 

[Edward]

Does something Henry Kissinger says have "the ring of God to it"?

I consider vaccines and medicines as gifts from God to thwart the efforts of him that is bent on the destruction of all man-kind.

No. Maybe the ring of anti christ, lol. Nothing at all about that man strikes me good. He used to be a lot more actove in politics and has always been the peoples enemy. I have never heard anything good or Godly about him. I think he might be a spokesperson for the elite, not sure.

But even before I was saved as a kid I was told he's a bad man. An enemy of democracy. After I grew up, I realized I'm no democrat either, lol.

 

[Edward]

Does something Henry Kissinger says have "the ring of God to it"?

I consider vaccines and medicines as gifts from God to thwart the efforts of him that is bent on the destruction of all man-kind.

I think some of the earliest vaccines were God given, Polio and so forth. But then evil men realized hey we can weaponize vaccines and reduce the population. So in these last days I am more cautious and suspicious than ever.

And I don't always agree with my doctors either. In general, I respect their education. But no one can know about me very well from reading a chart for a few minutes. The entire medical industry runs and is driven by...feedback from the patient. I know my condition better than all doctors because I live with it 24/7. So we butt heads sometimes. They tried to prescribe me anti depressant pills for seizures. I did fill the scrip but took them home and looked them up on the web and read them for a couple hours...and decided, No. I don't need anti depressants and I don't trust them. I have no clue why they tried to get me to take them? I sure didn't ask for them. I do trust my tegretol though, been taking it for years and know what to expect.

And I don't like it how they always try to upsell me at the doctor now. It didn't used to be like that. No thank you, I dont need a camera stuck up my butt, it works fine. If I have a problem, I'll let you know. (I could tell he didn't like hearing that but said ok).

 

[Serving Zion]

You might be looking at just those situations where it is discovered that doctors are not as ethical as they should be and has resulted in harming people. And although it's true that some doctors use their medical for profit and greed, others really want to help cure people. There is also the problem with government interfering with the medical community to gain a financial advantage, but while their wrong efforts hurt some, others are helped. So God will take the bad and turn it into good.

For example, the AIDS virus in the United States killed thousands, and thousands of people. Why do you think doctors continued to research and look for a cure? If these doctors and scientist did not care about humanity, they would have just forgot about it and let everyone die. But no! They continued to look for a cure. Although there is still no cure, from their research they have discovered a medication that can decrease the TCells to where the virus cannot be passed to another person. That medication is available in the US.

Now look at Africa and the Aids virus. There are millions upon millions of people in Africa that died from the Aides virus down to the innocent children. Do you think God want to see this? No he doesn't. But there is a problem in Africa with the government stopping life saving drugs that can save the people from not just Aides, but all sorts of diseases. But, only a small portion of villages received medicine and the others are left to die. So now there are the "Doctors Without Borders" here in the US that travel to Africa and other third world countries to help with the problem of diseases that's killing the people, and the lack of medicine and medical personnel. Some of these doctors have risks their lives to save these people. How many children are dying right now from drinking contaminated water? What should people do who see such a thing? There are people, scientist working right now to create drugs to de-contaminate the water so that these children will have fresh water, and live and not die. So who put it in these doctors hearts to travel from their safe homes to risk their lives to save these children?

So what I'm getting at is Satan is responsible for all of the diseases and dying of God's people.' Satan is also responsible for corrupt doctors and corrupt government. But God in His love for His people have given man knowledge to find these cures, and although we have to contend with corruption, there are still millions of people helped.

If Christians possessed the faith that God say we are to have, Christians would be able to heal. But there is a famine in the land. Faith is waining. So our loving God has stepped in and is doing what we cannot do by giving doctors the ability to find cures and develop medicine.

I'm just speaking in general about the school of thought of their practices. I haven't produced any specific examples. I don't disagree that the doctors do sometimes care (see post #367), but caring is not enough on its own. Proverbs 12:10 shows that even the wicked can be motivated by their "tender compassions". The point I am making is that you will either turn to God for healing in faith, or you will put your faith in the technology, and people have various different reasons for not turning to God for healing, but when it comes down to it the fact is that the technology itself is not the way that God wants to do it and that is why He gave up His only-begotten son. It isn't God who does the medications but it is the mind of the human who relies on their intellect as a thing that they know and therefore they feel that they can trust it. But God's way is to simply "say the word", because "if you truly believe without any doubt, nothing will be impossible for you" (Mark 11:20-25, Matthew 18:19-20).

 

[christian1724]

Frankly speaking, christian1724, I would not have been allowed to volunteer at the food bank without my vaccination.
I can serve God and others that way.

I haven't voiced any objection to anyone choosing to take the vaccine. I don't actually recall anyone else on here doing that either.

"Frankly" it is you who is objecting to my rejection of the mandating of it. I am opposed to the mandating of this vaccine on physical, spiritual and psychological grounds.

Plus, I won't get sick !
At least not as sick as the unvaccinated do.

I hope that you don't. I also have concerns for the problems that these new 'vaccines' may be causing both now and in the future. I have plenty of friends who have chosen to take this vaccine and I support their decision. It is my understanding the some of the latest breakout variations of this virus are from places where virtually everyone is fully vaccinated. I don't mean to disturb you with that.

On a final note,
I've actually encountered people who said that if they could, they would force people into compliance. I'm sure there's a word for people like that. I hope you're not one of those people, honestly.

 

[believer2020]

I'm just speaking in general about the school of thought of their practices. I haven't produced any specific examples. I don't disagree that the doctors do sometimes care (see post #367), but caring is not enough on its own. Proverbs 12:10 shows that even the wicked can be motivated by their "tender compassions". The point I am making is that you will either turn to God for healing in faith, or you will put your faith in the technology, and people have various different reasons for not turning to God for healing, but when it comes down to it the fact is that the technology itself is not the way that God wants to do it and that is why He gave up His only-begotten son. It isn't God who does the medications but it is the mind of the human who relies on their intellect as a thing that they know and therefore they feel that they can trust it. But God's way is to simply "say the word", because "if you truly believe without any doubt, nothing will be impossible for you" (Mark 11:20-25, Matthew 18:19-20).

I agree that we are to put our faith in God for our healing. But one of the problems is people don't have that type of faith. Some people even misunderstand what faith is. For example, I have heard for years preachers say that all we need is little faith, like the faith of a mustard seed. Those who don't know think this is true. But in taking the time to read the scriptures, you will find out that little faith is incorrect. Jesus said many times in disappointment with his disciples who failed to exercise faith, "Oh ye of little faith." So if little faith was correct, then why would Jesus say that?

So, to explain what's required for faith of a mustard seed, let's look at what Jesus was talking about. Jesus said "if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed..., Matthew 17:20. The word here is "AS," meaning, THE SAME TYPE of faith the GRAIN had. Why have the same type of faith AS a grain of mustard seed? Because the grain was very little in the beginning. But the mustard seed had GREAT FAITH because it was "the seed itself" wich possessed faith; once it was planted, it would be a great magnificent tree. The GREAT faith of the mustard was that it would produce something much more magnificent, a flourishing tree.

See how misunderstanding what Jesus said causes people to believe that all we need is little faith, which yields nothing, when in fact what’s being said is we must have great faith, which yields abundance.

Because a great number of people misunderstand faith, they tell other people the wrong thing, and that person ends up believing them instead of searching the scriptures. So due to the wrong practice of believing man and not the word, we end up with the wrong understanding of what God is telling His people about faith.

Another issue with having the type of faith you are talking about is we don't believe we are supposed to have this type of faith, which is mentioned in the bible. Jesus’s ministry was about healing and casting out devils. He gave his disciples the ability to heal, and the apostles were given the ability to heal and cast out devils. But, because we can't imagine ourselves having the fruits of faith, we just don't believe, not understanding that faith requires that we “believe first” before we see the evidence. Say there are two people diagnosed with the same disease that the doctors say will not heal. Both pray to God: One person who only sees his illness, prays regardless, and is healed because they believe God heard their prayer, and they expected to be healed being very sick, but the other person was not healed because they could not believe, although they prayed. The person who was not healed was lacking faith.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. This means you already have that thing that you hope for. A good example is like when you made an online purchase, and you are waiting for the item to be delivered in a few days. Well, the substance of the thing you paid for is hoped for in three days to arrive in the mail

Faith is the evidence of things not seen. The same example: You make a purchase, and pay for your item online, and now you wait for the evidence of that thing that you paid for to be delivered in the mail.


2 Corinthians 5:7, For we walk by FAITH, not by SIGHT

When Peter said "Lord increase my faith" he was admitting he did not have the type of faith that Jesus said we are to have. So that tells us that to have proper faith, we must ask God, pray for it, and continue to examine our faith until our faith increases to the type of faith God say we should have. Somehow faith is not understood today.

Thank God that you see faith as the deciding factor for perfect healing today.

But because so many don't, God loves us anyway, and knows that we lack faith, so he helps us out by giving doctors the ability to heal through medicine. That was my point!

Keep increasing your faith through prayer, you will be blessed and others will be blessed also!

 

[Hopeful]

I haven't voiced any objection to anyone choosing to take the vaccine. I don't actually recall anyone else on here doing that either.
"Frankly" it is you who is objecting to my rejection of the mandating of it. I am opposed to the mandating of this vaccine on physical, spiritual and psychological grounds.

I was merely making a point.
Without the vaccine I can't help the hungry.

I hope that you don't. I also have concerns for the problems that these new 'vaccines' may be causing both now and in the future. I have plenty of friends who have chosen to take this vaccine and I support their decision. It is my understanding the some of the latest breakout variations of this virus are from places where virtually everyone is fully vaccinated. I don't mean to disturb you with that.

As you trust God to get you through without getting the virus, I trust God to make the vaccine work effectively and without side-effects.

On a final note,
I've actually encountered people who said that if they could, they would force people into compliance. I'm sure there's a word for people like that. I hope you're not one of those people, honestly.

Everyone makes their decisions based on what they know.
What they know may be right or wrong, but it is their decision to make.

 

[Serving Zion]

It is my understanding the some of the latest breakout variations of this virus are from places where virtually everyone is fully vaccinated.

I would like to have some evidence of that. Are you able to produce a few links to verifiable facts? It would be most useful to see more than one example.