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{27} "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. {28} "Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. Matthew 24:27-28 (NASB)

OK, so take your best shot at explaining this verse. I believe I now know what it means in the context of Matthew 24, but I'd like someone else to step up first and take a shot at it.

What does it mean and how does it fit into the rest of the Olivet Discourse?
 
{27} "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. {28} "Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. Matthew 24:27-28 (NASB)

OK, so take your best shot at explaining this verse. I believe I now know what it means in the context of Matthew 24, but I'd like someone else to step up first and take a shot at it.

What does it mean and how does it fit into the rest of the Olivet Discourse?
I know what it means,however in this forum one cannot usually point out that 2+2=4 because people in here see themselves as too smart to just think in sinple honest direct terms. Jesus was simply answering the question "where Lord"(by the disciples) in reference as to where the saints would be gathered off the earth, Jesus explanation was simply that like the buzzards can always find a body so the angels that He sends forth to gather the saints will find each and every saint where ever they are.
 
Some thing down the lines of For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be

The spread of the gospel of Christ was fast His word went across like lighting!

"Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. Matthew 24:27-28 (NASB)

If we are not alive in Him there are vultures out there that will get ya.
 
Some thing down the lines of For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be

The spread of the gospel of Christ was fast His word went across like lighting!

"Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. Matthew 24:27-28 (NASB)

If we are not alive in Him there are vultures out there that will get ya.
I believe in much of what Jesus taught there can be several spiritual meanings such as the one you just presented, however I believe that Jesus was simply explaining to the disciples that no matter where a saint was they would be found and gathered. The disciples understood how vultures can quickly find a corpse no matter where it was, so Jesus used that example. I don't really see anything deep about vultures or lightening,these were just physical things Jesus used to make the point.
 
We Christians aren't going anywhere, Rapturists; Jesus Christ is returning here. Where shall you be at that time, and in what spiritual state shall you be? That is what you need ask yourself.

Where are those "taken" first, taken to?
Luke 17:33-37

33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.


34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.


35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? [the question is: where are the first ones that "taken," taken to?] And he said unto them [answer], Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. KJV



You wanna-be-taken-first Rapturists might be shocked when Matthew speaks a little clearer on those "bodies" that the "eagles" will be gathering over; he also joins together the two subjects of "those taken" in Luke chapt. 17 and the "those taken in deception in the end times" of Matthew chapt. 24 . In the analogy, Luke (in verse 37 above) likened those people "taken" to bodies, Matthew (in verse 28 below) explains that these people are likened to dead bodies (carcasses):
Matthew 24:24-31

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


25 Behold, I have told you before.


26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.


27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.


[Notice by the verse immediately following that the above happens during the Tribulation; i.e., there never was any Rapture―just deceived folks following the false one(s). Continuing on in this Scripture to document the timing:]


29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. KJV

Also of great import is that the "eagles" here in both Scriptures are vultures, who are in the same Order and Family as some eagles; for eagles do not diet on carrion (dead things). Also, there is no word for vulture in the Greek New Testament―the English word "vulture" does not appear in the 27 books of the New Testament. Below is the Strong's definition for the word "eagles" as it appears in Mat 24:28 above:
eagle(s): Greek word #105 aetos (ah-et-os'); from the same as NT:109; an eagle (from its wind-like flight): KJV - eagle.

Bullinger's footnotes explain this more perfectly, giving Scriptural support. Observe from the Companion Bible, page 1366, under the footnote to Matthew 24:28; specifically the words "carcase (carcass)," "eagle," and "gathered together" in the phrase: "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together" :


Companion Bible verse of Mat 24:28​


Companion Bible footnotes for Mat 24:28​


CB%20mt%2024.28.jpg


CB%20mt%2024.28%20FN.jpg


Going to Job 39:30, as Bullinger points out, clears up the whole matter of the "bodies & carcasses" and the "eagles" gathering upon them of Mat 24:28 & Luke 17:37:
Job 39:27-30
27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?
28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.
29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.
30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she. KJV
Below, in the Strong's definition for the English word "eagle" of Job 39:30, we see that the use of the word "eagle" in Scripture can also mean other large birds (such, I might add, as the vulture):
eagle: Hebrew word #5404 nesher (neh'-sher); from an unused root meaning to lacerate; the eagle (or other large bird of prey): KJV - eagle.
Do not find it uncomforting that the categories of birds are somewhat unset in the Bible. For even today in science there is disagreement as to which bird species belongs in which order/family etc. Below is an excerpt showing that the Bearded Vulture, which looks very much like an Eagle, is in fact is in the same order (and family) as some eagles―therefore it was not any great thing that the Translators may have called a "Vulture" an "Eagle" in the Bible.
Today, in our modern world, classification of any species involves the sorting of them into increasingly smaller categories. The animal kingdom is broken down into several descending groups, these are, in descending order: Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species. The Bearded Vulture (Genus: Gypaetus Species: barbatus) below may well be the very bird that the Scriptures were speaking of, but there are others that fit. I am going to this great length to document that the "eagles" in our two New Testament Scriptures (Luke 17, Mat 24) could well have been a species of vulture. This is important because "our Rapturists" may enjoy being "taken" to where eagles are, but they know that it is definitely not a good thing to be "taken" where the vultures are; for, vultures eat dead things (carrion). Below is the excerpt that I mentioned above:
“...From here on in we will trace the vultures, specifically, Gypaetus barbatus, common name, the Bearded Vulture.

Order:The Bearded Vulture belongs to the order Falconiformes which encompasses over 270 species. This includes vultures, hawks, falcons and eagles (owls are not included in this order).All have hooked beaks for tearing flesh and most have talons, with the vultures having weaker feet as they feed on carrion and need not hold their prey to prevent it escaping. ...

Family: Orders are further broken down into families; for our focus bird this is Accipitridae. These birds of prey are characterised by short rounded wings and a long tail. Among the family members are some vultures, eagles, hawks and kites....â€Vulture Culture, How Birds Are Named.
eagle%20-%20bearded%20vulture.jpg
'Gypaetus barbatus', literal translation: 'vulture eagle with a beard'. Known more commonly as the Bearded Vulture.


So, those "taken" first are taken to a place where the dead bodies are being visited upon by vultures. Kind of gives a whole new meaning to being "Left Behind," does it not? I think that I'll be "left behind" to wait upon the Lord Jesus Christ's Second Advent, thank you. Which of course, is exactly what He said to do:


 
I believe in much of what Jesus taught there can be several spiritual meanings such as the one you just presented, however I believe that Jesus was simply explaining to the disciples that no matter where a saint was they would be found and gathered. The disciples understood how vultures can quickly find a corpse no matter where it was, so Jesus used that example. I don't really see anything deep about vultures or lightening,these were just physical things Jesus used to make the point.

Do you really mean to equate a saint such as yourself with a corpse?
Do vultures 'gather' carrion or do they gather round and feast on it's lifeless flesh?
:chin
 
{27} "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. {28} "Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. Matthew 24:27-28 (NASB)

OK, so take your best shot at explaining this verse. I believe I now know what it means in the context of Matthew 24, but I'd like someone else to step up first and take a shot at it.

What does it mean and how does it fit into the rest of the Olivet Discourse?

Greetings,

Revelation 19:11-21

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
{27} "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. {28} "Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. Matthew 24:27-28 (NASB)
This passage has always been something of an enigma. It doesn't seem to fit with the traditional evangelical view of Christ coming to rapture His church out of the world. For years I read this and simply ignored it, because it was simply too difficult to understand given what I believed about His coming (the “rapture.”)

Well, as with all things about these apocalyptic passages in the New Testament, the key to understanding them is not trying to overlay our 21st century eschatology on them, but try to see them the way Jesus' disciples - 1st century Jews – would have understood them. To do that, we return to the Old Testament.

The NASB indicates that one of the parallel passages for Matthew 24:28 comes to us from Ezekiel:
{17} "As for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every kind of bird and to every beast of the field, "Assemble and come, gather from every side to My sacrifice which I am going to sacrifice for you, as a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel, that you may eat flesh and drink blood. {18}

"You will eat the flesh of mighty men and drink the blood of the princes of the earth [land], as though they were rams, lambs, goats and bulls, all of them fatlings of Bashan. {19} "So you will eat fat until you are glutted, and drink blood until you are drunk, from My sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

{20} "You will be glutted at My table with horses and charioteers, with mighty men and all the men of war," declares the Lord GOD.

{21} "And I will set My glory among the nations; and all the nations will see My judgment which I have executed and My hand which I have laid on them. {22} "And the house of Israel will know that I am the LORD their God from that day onward. {23}"The nations will know that the house of Israel went into exile for their iniquity because they acted treacherously against Me, and I hid My face from them; so I gave them into the hand of their adversaries, and all of them fell by the sword. {24} "According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I dealt with them, and I hid My face from them."'" Ezekiel 39:17-24 (NASB)
This is a horrifying picture of the judgment which would befall the house of Israel for their disobedience to God, and – again – offers insight into what Christ was telling His disciples: His coming in their lifetime (Matthew 16:27-28) was going to be in judgment against unbelieving Israel; those who rejected and crucified Him.

Now, here is where the Olivet Discourse again runs head-on into Revelation:
{17} Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, "Come, assemble for the great supper of God, {18} so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great." Revelation 19:17-18 (NASB)
And what's the parallel passage to Revelation 19:17?

Ezekiel 39:17.

The vultures will gather to feast on the flesh of those killed as a result of the judgment that befalls Jerusalem. That happened in 70 AD.

Oh, and that passage from Matthew 16???
27 For the Son of man is about to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will render to each according to his doings. 28 Verily I say unto you, There are some of those standing here that shall not taste of death at all until they shall have seen the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew 16:27-28 (Darby)
Might be a good idea to rethink what “His coming” in apocalyptic literature really means. He's not coming for His church: He was coming in judgment upon those who pierced Him.

For what it's worth.
 
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We Christians aren't going anywhere, Rapturists; Jesus Christ is returning here. Where shall you be at that time, and in what spiritual state shall you be? That is what you need ask yourself.

Where are those "taken" first, taken to?

Luke 17:33-37


33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.


34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.


35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? [the question is: where are the first ones that "taken," taken to?] And he said unto them [answer], Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. KJV



You wanna-be-taken-first Rapturists might be shocked when Matthew speaks a little clearer on those "bodies" that the "eagles" will be gathering over; he also joins together the two subjects of "those taken" in Luke chapt. 17 and the "those taken in deception in the end times" of Matthew chapt. 24 . In the analogy, Luke (in verse 37 above) likened those people "taken" to bodies, Matthew (in verse 28 below) explains that these people are likened to dead bodies (carcasses):

Matthew 24:24-31


24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


25 Behold, I have told you before.


26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.


27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.



[Notice by the verse immediately following that the above happens during the Tribulation; i.e., there never was any Rapture―just deceived folks following the false one(s). Continuing on in this Scripture to document the timing:]



29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. KJV

Also of great import is that the "eagles" here in both Scriptures are vultures, who are in the same Order and Family as some eagles; for eagles do not diet on carrion (dead things). Also, there is no word for vulture in the Greek New Testament―the English word "vulture" does not appear in the 27 books of the New Testament. Below is the Strong's definition for the word "eagles" as it appears in Mat 24:28 above:

eagle(s): Greek word #105 aetos (ah-et-os'); from the same as NT:109; an eagle (from its wind-like flight): KJV - eagle.


Bullinger's footnotes explain this more perfectly, giving Scriptural support. Observe from the Companion Bible, page 1366, under the footnote to Matthew 24:28; specifically the words "carcase (carcass)," "eagle," and "gathered together" in the phrase: "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together" :


Companion Bible verse of Mat 24:28​


Companion Bible footnotes for Mat 24:28​


CB%20mt%2024.28.jpg


CB%20mt%2024.28%20FN.jpg


Going to Job 39:30, as Bullinger points out, clears up the whole matter of the "bodies & carcasses" and the "eagles" gathering upon them of Mat 24:28 & Luke 17:37:
Job 39:27-30
27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?
28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.
29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.
30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she. KJV
Below, in the Strong's definition for the English word "eagle" of Job 39:30, we see that the use of the word "eagle" in Scripture can also mean other large birds (such, I might add, as the vulture):
eagle: Hebrew word #5404 nesher (neh'-sher); from an unused root meaning to lacerate; the eagle (or other large bird of prey): KJV - eagle.
Do not find it uncomforting that the categories of birds are somewhat unset in the Bible. For even today in science there is disagreement as to which bird species belongs in which order/family etc. Below is an excerpt showing that the Bearded Vulture, which looks very much like an Eagle, is in fact is in the same order (and family) as some eagles―therefore it was not any great thing that the Translators may have called a "Vulture" an "Eagle" in the Bible.
Today, in our modern world, classification of any species involves the sorting of them into increasingly smaller categories. The animal kingdom is broken down into several descending groups, these are, in descending order: Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species. The Bearded Vulture (Genus: Gypaetus Species: barbatus) below may well be the very bird that the Scriptures were speaking of, but there are others that fit. I am going to this great length to document that the "eagles" in our two New Testament Scriptures (Luke 17, Mat 24) could well have been a species of vulture. This is important because "our Rapturists" may enjoy being "taken" to where eagles are, but they know that it is definitely not a good thing to be "taken" where the vultures are; for, vultures eat dead things (carrion). Below is the excerpt that I mentioned above:
“...From here on in we will trace the vultures, specifically, Gypaetus barbatus, common name, the Bearded Vulture.

Order:The Bearded Vulture belongs to the order Falconiformes which encompasses over 270 species. This includes vultures, hawks, falcons and eagles (owls are not included in this order).All have hooked beaks for tearing flesh and most have talons, with the vultures having weaker feet as they feed on carrion and need not hold their prey to prevent it escaping. ...

Family: Orders are further broken down into families; for our focus bird this is Accipitridae. These birds of prey are characterised by short rounded wings and a long tail. Among the family members are some vultures, eagles, hawks and kites....â€Vulture Culture, How Birds Are Named.
eagle%20-%20bearded%20vulture.jpg
'Gypaetus barbatus', literal translation: 'vulture eagle with a beard'. Known more commonly as the Bearded Vulture.


So, those "taken" first are taken to a place where the dead bodies are being visited upon by vultures. Kind of gives a whole new meaning to being "Left Behind," does it not? I think that I'll be "left behind" to wait upon the Lord Jesus Christ's Second Advent, thank you. Which of course, is exactly what He said to do:

As I said in my first post,2+2=4 is just out of the realm of thought in this forum, 2+2 has to equal 673948&1/2.
 
This passage has always been something of an enigma. It doesn't seem to fit with the traditional evangelical view of Christ coming to rapture His church out of the world. For years I read this and simply ignored it, because it was simply too difficult to understand given what I believed about His coming (the “rapture.â€)

Well, as with all things about these apocalyptic passages in the New Testament, the key to understanding them is not trying to overlay our 21st century eschatology on them, but try to see them the way Jesus' disciples - 1st century Jews – would have understood them. To do that, we return to the Old Testament.

The NASB indicates that one of the parallel passages for Matthew 24:28 comes to us from Ezekiel:
This is a horrifying picture of the judgment which would befall the house of Israel for their disobedience to God, and – again – offers insight into what Christ was telling His disciples: His coming in their lifetime (Matthew 16:27-28) was going to be in judgment against unbelieving Israel; those who rejected and crucified Him.

Now, here is where the Olivet Discourse again runs head-on into Revelation:
And what's the parallel passage to Revelation 19:17?

Ezekiel 39:17.

The vultures will gather to feast on the flesh of those killed as a result of the judgment that befalls Jerusalem. That happened in 70 AD.

Oh, and that passage from Matthew 16???
Might be a good idea to rethink what “His coming†in apocalyptic literature really means. He's not coming for His church: He was coming in judgment upon those who pierced Him.

For what it's worth.
2+2=29,342,576.0002. Well done you did better than the other fellow.
 
Do you really mean to equate a saint such as yourself with a corpse?
Do vultures 'gather' carrion or do they gather round and feast on it's lifeless flesh?
:chin
2+2=1002,you get a better score for not writing much.
 
When the disciples came to the other side they had forgotten to take bread,then Jesus said unto them,"beware of the leaven of the Pharisees",and they reasoned among themselves saying,it is because we have taken no bread...Jesus said to them",why reason among yourselves because you have taken no bread..I spoke not to you concerning bread"...folks it isn't about bread or birds or dead bodies, it is about Christ sending the angels to find the believers,learn to read the context don't try to be too smart,just seek and you will find.
 
2+2=29,342,576.0002. Well done you did better than the other fellow.

You can disagree without being disagreeable. :nono2

Given that you have chosen to respond the way you did, I can only conclude you have no rational alternative for what the Bible clearly says about this. :shame
 
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2+2=1002,you get a better score for not writing much.

You get an incomplete for not even attempting to answer the two questions.:shame

One can only surmise you felt it better than the "F" your actual answers would have earned.:yes
 
folks it isn't about...birds or dead bodies

"Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather."

Seems fairly clear to me. :nono2
 
So does it fit in the context of Revelation 19:11-21?

Seems viable to me, both the return of Christ mentioned and the birds and the dead bodies.

Is there any reason not to see both of those scriptures as confirmation between each other?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
So does it fit in the context of Revelation 19:11-21?

Seems viable to me, both the return of Christ mentioned and the birds and the dead bodies.

Is there any reason not to see both of those scriptures as confirmation between each other?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes, but with this obvious caveat: Christ's return in both Matthew 24 and Revelation is to execute judgment on the land and people of Jerusalem. This is not a reference to "the rapture" of the saints, as is clearly illustrated by the passage in Ezekiel from which both the passages in Matthew 24 and Revelation 19 are taken.
 
Yes, but with this obvious caveat: Christ's return in both Matthew 24 and Revelation is to execute judgment on the land and people of Jerusalem. This is not a reference to "the rapture" of the saints, as is clearly illustrated by the passage in Ezekiel from which both the passages in Matthew 24 and Revelation 19 are taken.

Well according to scriptures we know of several things without actually throwing any sort of interpretation regarding the purpose of the return of Christ.

1. Is that the return is for the gathering of the saints, the bodily resurrection of corruption into incorruption, the obtaining of perfection, the blessed hope of His, and being raised in Him as He was raised and never being seperated from the Lord.
2. The destruction of those with the mark of the beast who worshipped his image and are gathered together with him, the casting of the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire.

Those are two defining points of His return we "should" agree on regardless of interpretation.

Now outside of not putting any interpretation it is actually the destruction of the whole world that follows the beast, not specifically anything to do with Jerusalem peoples or those who recide around Jerusalem because all take the mark or worship the image of the beast in the world who are not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb, that means everyone and is not specifically related to Isreal but all nations, tongues and tribes.

Well technically it is the "rapture" in the sence that when Christ returns a second time He gathers the saints and abolishes the corrupted body of both those who sleep in Him and remain at His second coming, the resurrection of the saints at His return is the "rapture" i just wouldnt use that word considering the way it is used and the fact that the word itself is not in scriptures, but the meaning of the word itself according to those who use it is the same manner as being resurrected in Him, obtaining the perfect body that will never be seperated from Him and the second death has no power over, the same body Christ rose in.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Luk 17:37 - And they said to him, "Where, Lord?" He said to them, "Where the corpse* is, there the vultures* will gather."

Footnotes:
* Greek body
* Or eagles
(ESV)

Corpse...
Mat 8:21 - And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Mat 8:22 - But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Vultures...
roman-standards.jpg
 
You can disagree without being disagreeable. :nono2

Given that you have chosen to respond the way you did, I can only conclude you have no rational alternative for what the Bible clearly says about this. :shame
Not really intending to be disagreeable,I just get frustrated with folks who have trouble in the scriptures understanding simple things,so I point out exactly what is in the scripture and the context, and da dah,it goes right over their heads.
I will try this one more time,remember CONTEXT determines what is being said,"if any man say unto you here is Christ or there believe it not...behold Christ is in the desert go not forth,in the secret chambers believe it not,for as the lightening comes out of the east and shines even unto the west so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be. Now think,Jesus is describing His return and making the point that the disciples do not have to GO LOOKING FOR HIM, because just as the buzzards in the sky always FIND A DEAD BODY so Christ will find them. For wherever the carcase is there the birds be gathered.
 
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