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[reba]

You think He ever felt like that when He stood before the pharisees?

No. because love is long suffering and patience.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Joh 2:14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
Joh 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

 

[Stormcrow]

Here's something some people might want to consider about the way the world sees their view of the rapture:

YouTube - ‪Doomsday - Friday song parody‬‏

Enjoy!

 

[warfrog]

Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Joh 2:14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
Joh 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

Yep and what did He say to them? I dont wanna bother with them? i wanna smack my head againts a wall? no He preached and He didnt stop until what He was sent for was accomplished.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[warfrog]

Here's something some people might want to consider about the way the world sees their view of the rapture:

YouTube - ‪Doomsday - Friday song parody‬‏

Enjoy!

I dont agree with the rapture at all in fact the "rapture" isnt biblical, the raising of the saints into the inheritance at the Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is.
So im not going to review rapture videos.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

The harvest occurs at the Coming fo the Lord Jesus Christ Stormcrow. the wheat goes into the barn (thousand year reign with Christ) The resurrection to life. The second mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15
And the tares are bundled up for the fire (the grapes in the winepress of God wrath, the rest slain by the sword at Christ's coming)
Those that will join all others who will partake in the resurrection to damnation, the third raising mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15

The wheat is judged at His coming and "live and reign with Christ a thousand years"
the rest of the dead do not live again until the thousand years are finished and are judged here: Rev 20:11-15 when the last who will join them in judgement have been taken care of which occurs here: Rev 20:7-10

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

You may in fact be partially correct Frog. At the coming of Jesus his saints were to be gathered unto him. Those who were alive were gathered with those who had died that he would raise up and they all were to meet Jesus in the air. That event coincides with what Revelation calls the 1st resurrection where the saints, martyred specifically are said to be brought to life to reign with Jesus for the 1000 years.
The mistake many make is placing the timing of this resurrection outside of the 1st century and generational timeframe Jesus and the HS inspired writers laidied out. A second mistake made has to do with the fact that people ASSUME the other resurrection is only a resurrection of the unjust. According to the scriptures ALL who are in the graves will hear his voice and there will be a resurrection of BOTH the just and the unjust where the just will be raised to life while the unjust are raised to judgment (maybe a time of judgment where thay perhaps will be able to get their robes washed, but that's a subject for another thread). It is this "general" resurrection that has yet to occur.

 

[warfrog]

You may in fact be partially correct Frog. At the coming of Jesus his saints were to be gathered unto him. Those who were alive were gathered with those who had died that he would raise up and they all were to meet Jesus in the air. That event coincides with what Revelation calls the 1st resurrection where the saints, martyred specifically are said to be brought to life to reign with Jesus for the 1000 years.
The mistake many make is placing the timing of this resurrection outside of the 1st century and generational timeframe Jesus and the HS inspired writers laidied out. A second mistake made has to do with the fact that people ASSUME the other resurrection is only a resurrection of the unjust. According to the scriptures ALL who are in the graves will hear his voice and there will be a resurrection of BOTH the just and the unjust where the just will be raised to life while the unjust are raised to judgment (maybe a time of judgment where thay perhaps will be able to get their robes washed, but that's a subject for another thread). It is this "general" resurrection that has yet to occur.

I've spoken about this before, the scriptures spoken of where all will hear His voice in the graves isnt about 1 resurrection, its actually about 2, resurrection to life and resurrection to damnation.

resurrection to life is at Christ's coming.
resurrection of damnation is after the millenium when the last who need to physically die, do and when all the bundles are prepared the great white throne judgement, which is the judgment of damnation, the judgement of the dead, will begin.

1st Corinthians 15 confirms this as well as Revelations 20.

the resurrection of life is all of His, who will recieve the inheritance of bodies just like Christ was raised in and they will hear His voice that hour and be raised, never to be seperated from the Lord, ever.
The dead however must wait until all the dead are gathered together which will happen at the end of the thousand years "But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished" "devoured with fire from God out of heaven" which leads to the judgement of the dead the hour they hear His voice, the last being Death.
The earth and heaven will have passed away at that point, God will create a new heaven and earth, present New Jerusalem and dwell among us and Christ, the Son will subject Himself to the Father and God will end all authority, rule and power and there shall be no more pain, crying, death or sorrow ever again, the former things will pass away.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

I've spoken about this before, the scriptures spoken of where all will hear His voice in the graves isnt about 1 resurrection, its actually about 2, resurrection to life and resurrection to damnation.

resurrection to life is at Christ's coming.
resurrection of damnation is after the millenium when the last who need to physically die, do and when all the bundles are prepared the great white throne judgement, which is the judgment of damnation, the judgement of the dead, will begin.

1st Corinthians 15 confirms this as well as Revelations 20.

the resurrection of life is all of His, who will recieve the inheritance of bodies just like Christ was raised in and they will hear His voice that hour and be raised, never to be seperated from the Lord, ever.
The dead however must wait until all the dead are gathered together which will happen at the end of the thousand years "But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished" "devoured with fire from God out of heaven" which leads to the judgement of the dead the hour they hear His voice, the last being Death.
The earth and heaven will have passed away at that point, God will create a new heaven and earth, present New Jerusalem and dwell among us and Christ, the Son will subject Himself to the Father and God will end all authority, rule and power and there shall be no more pain, crying, death or sorrow ever again, the former things will pass away.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ

In scripture it appears that the resurrection to life and the resurrection to judgment which results in damnation are in fact THE SAME event. John 5 as well as Acts 24 illustrate this. You harken to 1 Corinthians 15, yet leave out the distinct propabibilty that what it is describing is in fact the same event described by Revelation 20:5, the 1st resurrection; which was to take place shortly and would soon come to pass within the generation of the writer who wrote it.

So, if I was forced to say what i believe the Bible actually teaches about resurrections, here goes. Daniel 12:4, Rev 20:5, parts of 1 Cor 15, and 1 Thess 4 all speak of the same event and that event took place nearly 2000 years ago. John 5 as well as the anastasis (resurrection) spoken of by Paul in Acts 24 are speaking about the same event, but that resurrection is an event that has yet to occur.

 

[reba]

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Scripture reads to me , resurrection of the good guys and the bad guys is in the same hour and the last day. He does not say the day of this season or that season He plainly says last day.

 

[Sam21]

In scripture it appears that the resurrection to life and the resurrection to judgment which results in damnation are in fact THE SAME event. John 5 as well as Acts 24 illustrate this. You harken to 1 Corinthians 15, yet leave out the distinct propabibilty that what it is describing is in fact the same event described by Revelation 20:5, the 1st resurrection; which was to take place shortly and would soon come to pass within the generation of the writer who wrote it.

So, if I was forced to say what i believe the Bible actually teaches about resurrections, here goes. Daniel 12:4, Rev 20:5, parts of 1 Cor 15, and 1 Thess 4 all speak of the same event and that event took place nearly 2000 years ago. John 5 as well as the anastasis (resurrection) spoken of by Paul in Acts 24 are speaking about the same event, but that resurrection is an event that has yet to occur.

You sounded pretty good until you said the event (resurrection)took place 2000 years ago,I will call 911, so the guys in the white coats will be there shortly(and I mean shortly) just sit down quietly and try not to hurt yourself.

 

[warfrog]

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Scripture reads to me , resurrection of the good guys and the bad guys is in the same hour and the last day. He does not say the day of this season or that season He plainly says last day.

2 groupings as shown by your own scriptures.

first mentioned is the resurrection of life
the second mentioned is the resurrection of damnation

The first mentioned is resurrected at Christ return, the resurrection of the saints. Also found in 1 Corinthians 15:23

The second mentioned is resurrected here Revelation 20:11-15. Also found in 1st Corinthians 15:24-27

It is the last day for the resurrected, they will be forever and ever.
Which we know forever and ever requires many days if they are forever and ever through christ Jesus, no?
Thats for understanding the last day the way you do, you are literally taking it as the last sun up sun down.

Now for the resurrection of the damned it is also the last day, because they will not be forever and ever, they will be subject to the second death.

So what is the meaning of last day?

We know by scripture that the saints will live and reign with Christ for a thousand years after being resurrected and that Christ must subject Himself to the Father, that God may be all in all and that God will end all authority, rule and power when this happens. 1st Corinthians 15:28, Revelation 21
These have power over the second death and shall be with the Lord forever and ever and will dwell in the new heaven and earth, be presented by God New Jerusalem and God will dwell also among them at that time.

We also know that the dead must wait a thousand years after the return of Christ until thier resurrection and that the second death does have power over them.

So does last day still mean what you think it does or does it mean exactly what God said it means.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

You sounded pretty good until you said the event (resurrection)took place 2000 years ago,I will call 911, so the guys in the white coats will be there shortly(and I mean shortly) just sit down quietly and try not to hurt yourself.

Your attempt at humor fails to take the scriptures at face value. I believe there was a first century resurrection for 1 simply reason, Jesus and the inspired writer of scripture expected as much. Why is believing what they said so hard to accept especially considering that various individual resurrections were happenning at that time and a mass resurrection took place after tJesus' crucifiction as recorded in scripture?