Who can answer this?

[eddif]

I always refer to the Word of God as the Bible.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among men (from memory). About Chapter 1 of John verse 14.

If the word I hear has no grace I begin to wonder if the word is written on stone or new hearts of flesh.

Allen your use is usually full of grace and truth.

eddif

 

[th1b.taylor]

The God? Can you elaborate a bit on your meaning here? Are you somehow into Holiness "Jesus Only" teaching? Thanks.

Goodness no, I teach directly against that. There is one God, demonstrated to us in the Holy Trinity. I am, certainly, not fool enough to try to explain the concept, God did not give us the input to do that. Instead it is taught to be truth in the scriptures and we are expected to hold tightly to it by faith, alone.

God bless.

 

[sourberry]

why then did judge them for killing the prophets?, the Pharisee and now apostle paul sought to kill Christians. in fact he was part of the stoning of Stephen, so they did indeed murder.

tell me why did ad 70 occur then? what is just rome? of God exucting justice for his son's death at the hands of jews who rejected him ?

I can only say what I think, Jason.

In my understanding, sinners are unwell people. So Hitler and pedophiles. They are not evil. They are unwell.

Pharisees meant to be doctors. So Jesus, as a doctor, blames them for not curing the others. In fact, Pharisees need to be cured themselves. Jesus does not judge Pharisees, does not hate them, in fact, he loves them as much as everybody else, and tries to cure their hearts.

 

[eddif]

Goodness no, I teach directly against that. There is one God, demonstrated to us in the Holy Trinity. I am, certainly, not fool enough to try to explain the concept, God did not give us the input to do that. Instead it is taught to be truth in the scriptures and we are expected to hold tightly to it by faith, alone.

God bless.

I kind of think the wall between us is broken down. There are a few piles of rubble with un-tempered mortar, but nothing hailstones / wind will not break down.

Both groups believe in repentance
Both groups believe that Jesus is how we are saved
Both groups believe that the Holy Spirit is needed for power

How come a few commentaries separate us. Do not dob commentaries with whitewash, but believe in each one individual hearing of God in their own language when the door of our heart is opened.

I just love / hate riddles.

eddif

 

[sourberry]

Hi sour(soontobesweet)berry,

Jesus is the Word, of course, He is called such in John 1 and elsewhere. The Word of God is the entire Holy Bible, not only the physical words of Jesus. Paul is whom God used to reveal the New Covenant in practice; his letters are what Jesus said to and instructed his disciples with in those 40 days He was walking the Earth after He resurrected.
It is the whole of what Jesus said when He told His disciples that there was MUCH more He wanted to tell them, but they weren't ready to hear it yet (He had to release His finished work through the cross and His resurrection). Paul didn't know he was writing 2/3 of the New Covenant, but God knew and He inspired his hand to write it all and then God said, "I'm going to use that as My Word!"
From Genesis 1 to Revelation 22, the whole thing is the Word of God. That's why in Psalm 89:34 God says My Covenant will I not break, nor will I alter the word is that gone is out of My lips. It's all God and it's all unbreakable, infallible, holy, good, pure, LIFE.

If Covenant could have been written, it would have been written, as I think. I do not think it can be written.

There are few doctrines around, that are not part of the apostolic teaching, as I think. These doctrines do not make us closer to God, as I think. However, these doctrines are not worthy to be fought against - not to allow separation in the church.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I kind of think the wall between us is broken down. There are a few piles of rubble with un-tempered mortar, but nothing hailstones / wind will not break down.

Both groups believe in repentance
Both groups believe that Jesus is how we are saved
Both groups believe that the Holy Spirit is needed for power

How come a few commentaries separate us. Do not dob commentaries with whitewash, but believe in each one individual hearing of God in their own language when the door of our heart is opened.

I just love / hate riddles.

eddif

eddiff,
The Bible "is" the last Court of Arbitration until the Jesus taught in the Bible returns. Eugene asked the question because of my failure to define my comment and he was right to do so.

You see, even Satan believes in Jesus as the Son of God, as God, the Creator and yet, because of his, personal, failure to follow God and his failure to serve God, he is destined to live forever, after the return, in the Abyss. The Jewish Believers believe in Jesus, they hung Him on that cross. The Islamic believes in Jesus, as a prophet and the Modalists believe in God revealed in three modes. None of these are the Jesus that is the Bible teaches us to be our Saviour.

You see, the Bare Basics matter. Matt. 7:21 is, absolutely, critical for all believers and Jesus absolutely, here and in other verses, tells us that Modalism is not right. In the Creation Story, God is recorded as saying "Let us..." and not I will... Belief in the Triune God is an absolute essential.

 

[Eugene]

Goodness no, I teach directly against that. There is one God, demonstrated to us in the Holy Trinity. I am, certainly, not fool enough to try to explain the concept, God did not give us the input to do that. Instead it is taught to be truth in the scriptures and we are expected to hold tightly to it by faith, alone.

God bless.

Thanks brother.

 

[jasoncran]

I can only say what I think, Jason.

In my understanding, sinners are unwell people. So Hitler and pedophiles. They are not evil. They are unwell.

Pharisees meant to be doctors. So Jesus, as a doctor, blames them for not curing the others. In fact, Pharisees need to be cured themselves. Jesus does not judge Pharisees, does not hate them, in fact, he loves them as much as everybody else, and tries to cure their hearts.

death by sword is one hell of a cure. of course jesus did but that I also mentioned he offered them a chance to repent. paul was of that spirit, so was nicodemus. yet they repented. an UNREPENTENT sinner is one who dies as such thus remains sick and must be judged. sorry one you cant ignore the parts about where jesus said about those that deny him.

 

[eddif]

Romans 1:20
20 for the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Hopefully Taylor you will not know every detail of my physical affiliations with the Body of Christ. Jesus came to save people and not to condemn.

Court of Arbitration?
Arbitration is usually outside of court.
The Law agrees with the NT in many places (oxen / preachers)
Creation holds understanding
Jesus intercedes for us
Moses interceded in the wilderness
etc.


I really see the information in created nature as a means of arbitration (supported by the Romans passage, and context). Just because nature expounds on God, I do not feel everyone needs to spend near the time I do on the subject. The Bible does spend a good bit of time on the subject at various times.

You may not see Moses interceding for God's people as arbitration (I tend to). The setting up of judges may be arbitration. Sure I check out scripture. What I say about nature must agree. Sometimes we may start at creation and wind up in scripture. Sometimes we may start in scripture and wind up in seeing why God made something the way he did.

If I quote God created nature, it should agree with God inspired scripture. God is the author of both. Romans 1 shows some see nature in the wrong way, but Romans 1 also shows the right use of nature.

Arbitration to me is broad in application. Not an excuse for sin though. Not as an excuse to be lukewarm.

We probably have nothing we are separated on.

eddif

 

[reba]

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Address issues/ideas, not persons or personalities. Do not insult, publicly post derogatory opinions of others, post insinuation to belittle or discredit, or otherwise create a hostile environment. Present evidence for support or rebuttal during debate. Bashing the author of another view or opinion is not evidence.

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[Edward]

"You ought to be good".
This is a prescriptive idea.
How can we measure the truth against an idea?

It seems to me that it would have to be done on a spiritual level, and not with logic or our understanding for various reasons. On a spiritual level, we are not to lean upon our own understanding. On a secular level, the value of a truth or proof largely lies in the ability to reconcile individual facts into a coherent whole, and the inconsistency of society and individuals that are willing to reconcile facts is widely demonstrated daily over even the most menial of facts. Truth for you may not be truth for me is the cliche used in today's world.

So it would have to be done on a spiritual level. Instructions for this are available in the Word of God and should be adhered to without fail. We are to test the spirits, live for the spirit, and Gods Holy Spirit will bear witness with our spirit to teach us and guide us through our daily thought processes and decision making. Discernment will be given, truth will be revealed, and we will know. Of course, if we speak these truths, they will be immediately attacked as truth always is.

As we walk in Christ, our eyes will be opened to these things. The answer you seek will come from God and no other.

 

[TheCurseoftheRodain]

If Covenant could have been written, it would have been written, as I think. I do not think it can be written.

There are few doctrines around, that are not part of the apostolic teaching, as I think. These doctrines do not make us closer to God, as I think. However, these doctrines are not worthy to be fought against - not to allow separation in the church.

Covenant was written. When these guys wrote out what they wrote, for someone not know what a blood covenant is was unthinkable. You see a brief description in Genesis when God appears and walks up and down between the halves in the blood, and then somewhat with David and Jonathan and then with Jesus, but looking up what a blood covenant is would be a good idea. It's unbreakable among men, how much more with God?

 

[Tristan]

Perhaps.

When you say "Word of God" do you mean written word or unwritten?

"But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

The Word of God is Jesus, not "the Bible." Oh I bet that's going to be taken wrong.

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." -John 1:14

 

[th1b.taylor]

The Word of God is Jesus, not "the Bible." Oh I bet that's going to be taken wrong.

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." -John 1:14

Tristan,
Please, what was the Word of God before Jesus was born, in the flesh of a man. And, btw, to actually debate one man's, personal, definition accomplishes what? This, fruitless, endeavor began as a request for that personal definition and it should never have become an issue.

On that personal level, the use of the Word of God, means the God given Scriptures, most often and my use of the Word is also an allusion to the Scriptures, most often. That, if you failed to notice, in no manor diminishes the truth that, in some structured remarks, Jesus is the Logos, a.k.a. Word.

As an old, old man, I was taught context in everything and the, rather, sad truth appears to be that you youngsters were not taught the importance of context and it, not appears to, but, has affect the intellect of my generation because so many of us are buying into this revisionist idiocy.

Why not return to the topic?

 

[reba]

AND the topic is.....

"You ought to be good".
This is a prescriptive idea.
How can we measure the truth against an idea?

 

[th1b.taylor]

AND the topic is.....

"You ought to be good".
This is a prescriptive idea.
How can we measure the truth against an idea?

There is such a great opportunity to learn from this topic, it will be a shame to pass up the chance.

 

[Tristan]

Tristan,
Please, what was the Word of God before Jesus was born, in the flesh of a man. And, btw, to actually debate one man's, personal, definition accomplishes what? This, fruitless, endeavor began as a request for that personal definition and it should never have become an issue.

On that personal level, the use of the Word of God, means the God given Scriptures, most often and my use of the Word is also an allusion to the Scriptures, most often. That, if you failed to notice, in no manor diminishes the truth that, in some structured remarks, Jesus is the Logos, a.k.a. Word.

As an old, old man, I was taught context in everything and the, rather, sad truth appears to be that you youngsters were not taught the importance of context and it, not appears to, but, has affect the intellect of my generation because so many of us are buying into this revisionist idiocy.

Why not return to the topic?

The lamb was slain from the foundation of the Earth. The plan of salvation (the Word of God and Jesus) was in place before Jesus was born. The Word of God is the plan of salvation which is represented by Jesus. The scriptures point to the Word, but they themselves are not the Word. It's an indirect relationship.

Not taught the importance of context? I'm the first person to advocate for context. ALL context.

Actually, my beliefs are quite popular among liberal Christians.

 

[jasoncran]

The lamb was slain from the foundation of the Earth. The plan of salvation (the Word of God and Jesus) was in place before Jesus was born. The Word of God is the plan of salvation which is represented by Jesus. The scriptures point to the Word, but they themselves are not the Word. It's an indirect relationship.

Not taught the importance of context? I'm the first person to advocate for context. ALL context.

Actually, my beliefs are quite popular among liberal Christians.

liberals as in here in America that:

preach jesus is a way but not THE way to heaven?
jesus was a man, mary wasn't a virgin when she had him, gay marriage and abortion are ok? that liberal crap?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The lamb was slain from the foundation of the Earth. The plan of salvation (the Word of God and Jesus) was in place before Jesus was born. The Word of God is the plan of salvation which is represented by Jesus. The scriptures point to the Word, but they themselves are not the Word. It's an indirect relationship.

Not taught the importance of context? I'm the first person to advocate for context. ALL context.

Actually, my beliefs are quite popular among liberal Christians.

You may be loosely using the term "liberal Christian".
Such a Christian believes in homosexuals in the pulpit, same sex marriages, and usually have an underlying current of satanic activity.

 

[jasoncran]

btw logos and the meribah have nothing to do with that view of yours. its God not the word he gave to the prophets and others.