Yeah heavenly angels didn't have to make anything white and clean, they are heavenly angels, they got nothing dirty to begin with. Saints are who were givien new life so, would be the only ones who would need to be given white robes clean and bright.Even saint Peter says" Do you not know the saints will judge the world?"
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Who is the army of Rev. 19: 14.
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There are two armies used by God. The earthly army made up of humans that we read about in the OT that were sent out to destroy the enemies of God and then there is the army of the Spiritual heavenly host/angels.
Heavenly host (Hebrew: צבאות sabaoth or tzva'ot, "armies") refers to the army (Luke 2:13) of angels mentioned both in the Hebrew and Christian Bibles, as well as other Jewish and Christian texts.
The Bible gives several descriptions of angels in military terms, such as their encampment (Genesis 32:1–2), command structure (Psalms 91:11–12; Matt.13:41; Rev.7:2), and combat (Jdg.5:20; Job 19:12; Rev.12:7). In Christian theology, the heavenly host participate in the war in Heaven.
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If you do not understand me then could it be possible you do not understand those scriptures I gave. We can discuss each one if you want to do so.
Matthew 25:31 is the only scripture that is relevant to the OP out of all those other ones you posted here that speaks about the army of angels that return with Christ. If you put vs 32, 33 with that then it makes it very clear that the host of heaven returning with Christ is His army of angels, not humans. Let us also remember what Jesus said in John 3:13 and Matthew 24:29-31.
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Yes, right. "Just because the church is the bride does not mean it isn't God's army too".
So, by the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD- first we can see if what you above said is biblical or not. The Church of the Lord -true Church- daily fights by the Spirit of GOD against a lot of enemies as GOD's army. All readers here may know that CANDLESTICK signifies Church: Revelation 1:v.20 - 20 ... the seven CANDLESTICKS which thou sawest are seven Churches. -Actually, who said this was JESUS-Revelation 1:v.1-
GOD is Spirit. The Word is GOD. The Word is Spirit and Life. JESUS said: John 6:v.63-It's the Spirit that quickeneth... the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are Life.
CHURCH and CANDLESTICK - Zechariah 4:v.1-6
4 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep.
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a CANDLESTICK (CHURCH) all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof.
3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the Word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.
Daniel 7:v.23-27
The fourth beast shall be the fourth KINGDOM upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms(diverse of the kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persian and Greek), and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them(an eleventh horn); and HE shall be diverse from the first(first 10), and HE shall subdue three kings.
25 And HE shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High(when? Revelation 11:v.15-18), and think to change times and laws: and they -the saints- shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (three days and half, biblicaly three years and half)
26 But the Judgment shall sit, and they -the saints- shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. - According Revelation 11:v.15 to 18. (The nations will be angry really),
Daniel 2:v.44-45
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
Malachi, I agree with your questions 1-4, however, this army along with Christ is coming to earth for what reason?
Is it not to claim His bride, who also is arrayed in white linen as the army of angles who attend Him. No saints go to heaven upon the first death as many believe. The is a false teaching. Paul says that at Christ return the dead shall not proceed those who are still alive. (1 Thess. 4:15-17)
Who are the angels of the Churches? Be them alive or dead.
Angels in the traditional sense.
Perfect. True.
As says the prophecy since Old Testament: Daniel 7:v.22 - And Judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. - According Revelation 11:v.15 to 18. it's it.
n2thelight
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I understand those scriptures well ,what I'm not understanding is your usage of them
How do you reconcile the below
I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."
How does Christ bring them with Him if they not already there ?Do you have an Idea of where the dead are ? Do you think they stay in Heaven when the armies come ,if so when do they come to earth ?
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Psalm149:v.4 to 9
4 The Lord taketh pleasure in His people: He will beautify the meek with salvation.
5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged Sword (symbol of the Old and New Testaments) in their hand;
7 To execute VENGEANCE upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;See 1Thessalonians 1:7-10
8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
9 To execute upon them the Judgment written: this HONOUR have all His saints. Praise ye the Lord.
Nice! Love the two edge sword correlation you make.
JESUS said: Matthew 11:v.7 to 11
7 ... Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John:
What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?(Hebrews 1:v.7)
8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my angel before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (Will not be these greater than John the Baptist angels too? I think so or rather I'm sure they are)
Hebrews 4:v.12-13
12 For the Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged Sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we must render an account.
I think you need to be careful switching and/or misapplying " angel"- a pure spirit messanger , and messenger - physical prophet of God. Angel is not the universal replacement word whenever "messenger" is used.
n2thelight
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Revelation 22:8 "And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things."
Revelation 22:9 "Then saith he unto me, Seee thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."
Did the angel distinguish himself between him and John
If you are referring to the seven angels sent by God to the seven churches in Asia, Rev 2-3, then you can clearly see who they are. The message given for instruction to the seven churches still stands today and forever until the return of Christ.
Angels are spirit and can never die, but some are reserved for judgement who fell away from God, Jude 1:6
Here is the full as in this case just posting one single verse does not explain the full context. When yo read the full you can clearly see the dead and those still alive at His coming are then caught up to meet Christ Jesus in the air.
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
n2thelight
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I did the one verse because it's undisputable .Now let's start at the subject which is those who have died
I Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."
Again the subject is those who have died
This concern is over "them which are asleep". The concern is over the loved ones that have died and left them, and their decaying bodies are out there in their grave. Paul is saying for us not to be sorry about those Christians who are dead and gone, for that is the concern of the heathen. The heathen's fear comes from their ignorance of God's word, and His promises. The heathen have no hope, for they believe it's over at the burial.
I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."
If we believe, as a Christian, that Christ set the example for us; so that we will follow as He did, in dying, and rising again, then "to sleep" is to be dead from the flesh body. The Greek is a simple language, for it's structure allows one to be more precise. The subject in the frame of this verse is; "that ye not be ignorant as to where the dead are." If you're a Christian, you know and believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and on the third day arose and came out of the tomb. If you do not believe this, Paul classifies you as ignorant, and heathen [non-believer].
It was on the fortieth day that he ascended back to the Father. When Jesus ascended into heaven, all the souls went with him into heaven also, that had passed on, up to that point in time. The souls of some went to wait for that time of judgment, while others to the glory of God. Those that sleep [are dead] are not out there in a hole in the ground, but all Christians must believe that they arose to be with the Father, just like Christ did also. The dead are with God; all of them. "To be absent from the body [flesh body] is to be present with the Lord." Ecclesiastes 12:7.
I Thessalonians 4:15 "For we say unto you, by the word of our Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent in no wise [precede] them which are asleep."
This, Paul states, is not his words, but it is from the Word God gave to him. Where? Ecclesiastes 12:7, that is where it is written.
"We which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord," this is our gathering back to Jesus Christ. "Shall not prevent them", would be better translated, "We are not going to precede [go before] them." We can not precede them for a very simple reason; the dead are already there with God. It is the only logical fact that can come from this. If you do not, or will not believe this, then you believe in soul sleep as the heathen do, and the hope and glory Paul is speaking of, for the Christian, and you are ignorant of God's glory. Whether victorious, or sentenced to hell, all the dead are now with the Father, and not in the ground.
n2thelight
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Gonna focus on John 3:13 , do you understand this verse ?
And what it means to be born again, correctly interpreted meaning born from above
We come from Heaven, there is where we were before being born of woman ,even Christ Himself came and did the same
No man, no one goes to heaven, but that he first was born from above. That soul must first be born of women, where the soul entered the womb at conception, and when the flesh body dies, it is returned to the father. There is not a living being on this earth, that did not come down from the Father first, and at death shall return to the Father. That is just plain common sense.
This doesn't mean that they are all going to have eternal life, but heaven is where the Father is, and that is where the judgment takes place. But what is meant here is in reference to obtaining salvation for their soul, or eternal life. All souls return to the Father, and many of those that do return will be condemned to destruction. The judgment takes place at the time of the great white throne judgment. Until that time, those sinning souls will stay right there in paradise where there is a great gulf between God and the sinning soul This is stated in the parable of the rich man, in Luke 16. There has been no soul destroyed to this date, that has passed on after death.
This doesn't mean that they are all going to have eternal life, but heaven is where the Father is, and that is where the judgment takes place. But what is meant here is in reference to obtaining salvation for their soul, or eternal life. All souls return to the Father, and many of those that do return will be condemned to destruction. The judgment takes place at the time of the great white throne judgment. Until that time, those sinning souls will stay right there in paradise where there is a great gulf between God and the sinning soul This is stated in the parable of the rich man, in Luke 16. There has been no soul destroyed to this date, that has passed on after death.