Who is the army of Rev. 19: 14.

[n2thelight]

Hi Oseas,

God`s word tells us that the heaven of heavens were of old.

`Sing to God, you kingdoms of the earth; Oh, sing praises to the Lord, to Him who rides on the heaven of heavens which were of old..` (Ps. 68: 32 & 33)

God`s word delineates 3 distinct heavens -

- the atmospheric heavens over the earth where the birds fly and are the clouds,
- the Universal heavens in which are the stars, planets, suns etc.
- the third heaven, the angelic realm.

Thus Eph. 1: 3, Phil. 3: 20 & 21, are the third heaven.

regards, Marilyn.

Hello Marilyn ,while what you are saying is true there's a deeper meaning

Psalms 68:33 "To Him That rideth upon the heavens of heavens, which were of old; Lo, He doth send out His voice, and that a mighty voice."

This is taking us all the way back to the world that was in the first earth age. That time when all souls were in their heavenly bodies as the angels have. Even from then God sent out His voice to His children, right down to these days we are living in today. He is giving us a warning through His Word, lead by His Spirit. Can you hear that voice? It is not hard to hear if you have the ears to hear what Father is trying to say to you.

Short study below

Three World Ages | The Gospel Armor

The heaven and earth are divided into three earth ages, 3 being the number of spiritual completion. There was an age before the one we are in, and there will be an age after the Millennium ends.

thegospelarmor.com

 

[n2thelight]

1Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

When you read these verses we who are alive or in the grave at His coming are then caught up to meet Christ in the air. The only thing that returns back to God when one physically dies is the very breath/Spirit that God breathed into us making us a living soul, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7. No one is resurrected until the one and only return of Christ who calls His Bride to meet Him in the air and then forever we will be with Him in all of Gods glory, John 5:28, 29; 6:40; 1 Corinthians 15:51-55; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

No one is in the grave, if you believe that you believe in soul sleep and scripture would classify you as a heathen


Let's look at John 3:13

John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He That came down from heaven, even the Son of man Which is in heaven."

No man, no one goes to heaven, but that he first was born from above. That soul must first be born of women, where the soul entered the womb at conception, and when the flesh body dies, it is returned to the father. There is not a living being on this earth, that did not come down from the Father first, and at death shall return to the Father. That is just plain common sense.

This doesn't mean that they are all going to have eternal life, but heaven is where the Father is, and that is where the judgment takes place. But what is meant here is in reference to obtaining salvation for their soul, or eternal life. All souls return to the Father, and many of those that do return will be condemned to destruction. The judgment takes place at the time of the great white throne judgment. Until that time, those sinning souls will stay right there in paradise where there is a great gulf between God and the sinning soul This is stated in the parable of the rich man, in Luke 16. There has been no soul destroyed to this date, that has passed on after death.

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[for_his_glory]

No one is in the grave, if you believe that you believe in soul sleep and scripture would classify you as a heathen


Let's look at John 3:13

John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He That came down from heaven, even the Son of man Which is in heaven."

No man, no one goes to heaven, but that he first was born from above. That soul must first be born of women, where the soul entered the womb at conception, and when the flesh body dies, it is returned to the father. There is not a living being on this earth, that did not come down from the Father first, and at death shall return to the Father. That is just plain common sense.

This doesn't mean that they are all going to have eternal life, but heaven is where the Father is, and that is where the judgment takes place. But what is meant here is in reference to obtaining salvation for their soul, or eternal life. All souls return to the Father, and many of those that do return will be condemned to destruction. The judgment takes place at the time of the great white throne judgment. Until that time, those sinning souls will stay right there in paradise where there is a great gulf between God and the sinning soul This is stated in the parable of the rich man, in Luke 16. There has been no soul destroyed to this date, that has passed on after death.

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Seriously, no one is in the grave!!! I would think if you have ever been to a funeral you have seen the body being lowered in the ground/grave. I do not believe in the false doctrine of soul sleep, but that the very breath/spirit of God breathed in us made us a living soul that goes back to God who gave it.

Where in John 3:13 does it say anything about being born from above where the soul enters the mothers womb? If Jesus said no man has ever ascended up to heaven in bodily form then I have to believe that.

Jesus nor the angels have never returned for anyone after His ascending to sit at the right hand of the Father being our mediator before God, John 3:13. The resurrection of the dead has not happened yet as it is only our breath/spirit that made us a living soul that returns back to God who gave it when this physical body dies and returns to the dust of the ground from where it came from, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7. No one is resurrected until the one and only return of Christ who calls His Bride to meet Him in the air and then forever we will be with Him in all of Gods glory, John 5:28, 29; 6:40; 1 Corinthians 15:51-55; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

This body/flesh dies and deteriorates as it turns back to dust while in the ground. The breath/spirit goes back to God who gave it, Ecc 12:7. The soul which makes up the conscious part of ones being is that of thought, action and emotion. The spiritual nature of man regarded as immortal and separable from the body/flesh at death and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.

We are not the host of heaven that is part of the army that returns with Christ in the air, but that we are caught up to the air when He returns with His army of angels.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sorry, that was not my intention, the system itself did that, however, I think readers will notice that the second quote is my reply to your post 66, according my biblical vision of heaven, or on heavenly places in Christ - Ephesians 1:v.3 and Philippians 3:v.20-21, among others.

Sure, I will be more careful next posts.

Thank you for your response.

 

[Oseas]

Thank you for your response.

Your welcome.

The resurrection of the dead has not happened yet...

True.

Daniel 12:v.1-3 combined with 1 Thessalonians 4:v.16
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time(Matthew 24:v.15&21-22): and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Fulfillment of above prephecy:

1 Thessalonians 4:v.16 combined with Revelation 12:v.10-11-
16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel (Michael), and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Revelation 12:v.10-11
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God (Revelation 11:v.15 to 18), and the Power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our GOD day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

NOTE; The resurrection MUST happen now, in the current time, alelluia. We are living in the first century of the seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ, the millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ.

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[for_his_glory]

Your welcome.

True.

Daniel 12:v.1-3 combined with 1 Thessalonians 4:v.16
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time(Matthew 24:v.15&21-22): and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Fulfillment of above prephecy:

1 Thessalonians 4:v.16 combined with Revelation 12:v.10-11-
16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel (Michael), and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Revelation 12:v.10-11
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God (Revelation 11:v.15 to 18), and the Power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our GOD day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

NOTE; The resurrection MUST happen now, in the current time, alelluia. We are living in the first century of the seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ, the millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Jewish Calendar - How to explain the difference of exactly 240 years in the Jewish calendar?

The Jewish calendar is the type of calendar that the Jewish people use for counting time and commemorating birthdays, festivities, weddings, deaths, religious celebrations and other solemnities. According to the Hebrews, the years are counted from what they believe to be the creation of Adam...

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All those scriptures you posted point to the fact that we are not the army that returns in the air as we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air when He returns.

I do not see the relevance of the Jewish calendar has to do with the army that comes down with Jesus from the third heaven.

 

[n2thelight]

arnt we His army? Is he not here? Does He live in you and me?
What purpose to the verse 13 at/after His second coming?
Verse 15 his Word is the 'sword' again what purpose at/after His second coming?

His army are those who died in Him as well as those living when He comes .

Revelation 19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

This verse refers to Psalms 2:9, Isaiah 11:4, 49:2, and 63:3. That sword that goes forth is a sharp, two-edged sword, which will smite and bring down all nations. For then, the new kingdom to be set up will be a righteous one. It will be without Satan, the false prophets, and the locust army of fallen angels.

What coming is this if not the 2nd ?

 

[for_his_glory]

His army are those who died in Him as well as those living when He comes .

Revelation 19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

This verse refers to Psalms 2:9, Isaiah 11:4, 49:2, and 63:3. That sword that goes forth is a sharp, two-edged sword, which will smite and bring down all nations. For then, the new kingdom to be set up will be a righteous one. It will be without Satan, the false prophets, and the locust army of fallen angels.

What coming is this if not the 2nd ?

What does any of this have to do with the army of the heavenly host that return with Jesus when He comes in the clouds at His second coming?

How can one dispute the below scriptures that that makes it very clear we are not the army, but that we are the Bride of Christ He returns for.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Oseas]

Hello Marilyn ,while what you are saying is true there's a deeper meaning

Psalms 68:33 "To Him That rideth upon the heavens of heavens, which were of old; Lo, He doth send out His voice, and that a mighty voice."

This is taking us all the way back to the world that was in the first earth age. That time when all souls were in their heavenly bodies as the angels have. Even from then God sent out His voice to His children, right down to these days we are living in today. He is giving us a warning through His Word, lead by His Spirit. Can you hear that voice? It is not hard to hear if you have the ears to hear what Father is trying to say to you.

Short study below

Three World Ages | The Gospel Armor

The heaven and earth are divided into three earth ages, 3 being the number of spiritual completion. There was an age before the one we are in, and there will be an age after the Millennium ends.

thegospelarmor.com

Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from God's perspective. What prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, do you understand? There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word -the Word made flesh-JESUS-, and the Holy Spirit-who is not a ghost as is written in English language-but a Person): and these three are One-1John 5:v.7- and these Three are not in the SKY with its black holes, as you both say, but in Heaven.
Speculations, imaginations, presumptions, conjectures, opinions, based on the letter of Scripture they mean nothing and are good for nothing, by the way, that's exactly in the way the Devil likes.

Be careful with interpretations of Scriptures according the red Dragon and his messengers-Revelation 12:v.3-4, or get ready

 

[Oseas]

All those scriptures you posted point to the fact that we are not the army that returns in the air as we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air when He returns.

I do not see the relevance of the Jewish calendar has to do with the army that comes down with Jesus from the third heaven.

First of all heaven is not sky. About the third heaven JESUS said: They which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world-the next, according Revelation 11:v.15 to 18, - , and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God,... Luke 20:v.35-36
The third heaven will be established here in this seventh and last millannium or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day. Peter, the Apostle, said:- Be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years-2Pe.3:v.8.

Revelation 20:v. 1 to 5:

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the Dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

What matters is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, He fulfills His Word LITERALLY.

 

[for_his_glory]

First of all heaven is not sky. About the third heaven JESUS said: They which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world-the next, according Revelation 11:v.15 to 18, - , and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God,... Luke 20:v.35-36
The third heaven will be established here in this seventh and last millannium or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day. Peter, the Apostle, said:- Be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years-2Pe.3:v.8.

Revelation 20:v. 1 to 5:

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the Dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

What matters is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, He fulfills His Word LITERALLY.

I agree as to what matters is the word of God and these scripture proves three different heavens when you study these scriptures below. The parentheses in Rev 21:1-2 are my own.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven (says nothing about a third heaven) and a new earth: for the first heaven (atmosphere) and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven (third heaven), prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

There are three heavens:

First heaven - The firmament, Earths Atmosphere which is the immediate sky, where the “fowls of the heaven” (Genesis 2:19; 7:3,23; Psalms 8:8, etc.), “the eagles of heaven” (Lamentations 4:19), it is our atmosphere that surrounds the earth.

Second Heaven - Outer Space, the starry heavens (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29).
The second heaven is the starry heavens, where our atmosphere ends. It is the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars are fixed in orbit.

Third Heaven - This is where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell plus the very breath of just men dwell as when we die it is that breath that returns back to God. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).


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[for_his_glory]

the Holy Spirit-who is not a ghost as is written in English language a Person)

Something for you to think about and might want to start a new thread on this as I do not want to derail this thread and you need not reply to this post as it will be off topic.

A person is made up of flesh and blood. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God that has never come in human form. The KJV uses the word Holy Ghost 90 times and Holy Spirit around seven times. Other translations use the word Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost are the same thing being God's Spirit

 

[Oseas]

The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).

You said: >>> third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).<<<

No, "the dwelling-place of God" is not beyond the space and stars, what you learned from others or are inventing is not true. What matters is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, do you agree? What does the Word of GOD say?

Isaiah 40:v.22
22 It is GOD that sitteth UPON THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH (the Person of GOD is nearest of us), and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a CURTAIN, and SPREADS THEM out as a TENT to dwell in. Revelation 5:v.10 - And hast made us unto our GOD kings and priests: and WE SHALL REIGN on the earth.

What you are preaching has nothing to do with the Word of GOD. Seems you know not what is heaven, and the celestial things that are in, of course. You are confound heaven with physical space of Universe, and speaks of telescope, Outer Space, Earths Atmosphere, etc., these have nothing to do with celestial things that there is in the Word of GOD and heaven. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life, course. Your thinking is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective. Presumptions and speculations, conjectures, imaginations, opinions, they mean nothing and are good for nothing, that's exactly the way the Devil likes.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the celestial realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.
To the only GOD our Savior be Glory, Majesty, Power and Authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore.
Amen.

 

[for_his_glory]

You said: >>> third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).<<<

No, "the dwelling-place of God" is not beyond the space and stars, what you learned from others or are inventing is not true. What matters is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, do you agree? What does the Word of GOD say?

Isaiah 40:v.22
22 It is GOD that sitteth UPON THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH (the Person of GOD is nearest of us), and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a CURTAIN, and SPREADS THEM out as a TENT to dwell in. Revelation 5:v.10 - And hast made us unto our GOD kings and priests: and WE SHALL REIGN on the earth.

What you are preaching has nothing to do with the Word of GOD. Seems you know not what is heaven, and the celestial things that are in, of course. You are confound heaven with physical space of Universe, and speaks of telescope, Outer Space, Earths Atmosphere, etc., these have nothing to do with celestial things that there is in the Word of GOD and heaven. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life, course. Your thinking is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective. Presumptions and speculations, conjectures, imaginations, opinions, they mean nothing and are good for nothing, that's exactly the way the Devil likes.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the celestial realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.
To the only GOD our Savior be Glory, Majesty, Power and Authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore.
Amen.

It all has to do with the word of God as you can read in those scriptures that I and a few others have given that the army that returns with Christ are the host/angels from the third heaven. Even Paul used the words third heaven in 2 Corinthians 12:2

God's heaven (third heaven, also mentioned as paradise in scripture) is in the Spiritual realm above the universe that God created.

1. Atmospheric/troposphere - the air that we breath that surrounds the earth

2. Celestial/stellar - sun, moon and stars

3. Spiritual realm/heavenly sphere - home of God above the universe

It is Jesus with the host being the angels from the third heaven that returns in the clouds in Rev 19:11-14.

 

[T. E. Smith]

Responding to the OP, and not reading the discussion

Good question. God is called the "lord of hosts". Notice 1 Samuel 17:26: "What shall be done for the man who kills this Philistine and takes away the reproach from Israel? For who is this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God?" Look also at v. 45: "You come to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin, but I come to you in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied."

See how the Lord of Hosts is in parallel to the God of the armies of Israel. In other words, it appears that the "hosts" in "lord of hosts" refers to Israel. Notice also that Israel is in parallel to the "armies of the living God" in v. 26. So "hosts" and "armies of the living God" is a reference to Israel.

Most likely Revelation 19:14 is intended to call to mind this ancient term "lord of hosts." If so, it is likely that the armies of heaven represent God's covenant community, the "new Israel" - that is, the church, who will (in the mind of Revelation's author) have victory along with God.

 

[for_his_glory]

Responding to the OP, and not reading the discussion

Good question. God is called the "lord of hosts". Notice 1 Samuel 17:26: "What shall be done for the man who kills this Philistine and takes away the reproach from Israel? For who is this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God?" Look also at v. 45: "You come to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin, but I come to you in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied."

See how the Lord of Hosts is in parallel to the God of the armies of Israel. In other words, it appears that the "hosts" in "lord of hosts" refers to Israel. Notice also that Israel is in parallel to the "armies of the living God" in v. 26. So "hosts" and "armies of the living God" is a reference to Israel.

Most likely Revelation 19:14 is intended to call to mind this ancient term "lord of hosts." If so, it is likely that the armies of heaven represent God's covenant community, the "new Israel" - that is, the church, who will (in the mind of Revelation's author) have victory along with God.

Just a few verses that speaks of the heavenly host of heaven being angels.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

1Kings 22:19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

Luke 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God

Psalms 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psalms 148:2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.

Nehemiah 9:6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

Jeremiah 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered,

 

[Marilyn C]

Responding to the OP, and not reading the discussion

Good question. God is called the "lord of hosts". Notice 1 Samuel 17:26: "What shall be done for the man who kills this Philistine and takes away the reproach from Israel? For who is this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God?" Look also at v. 45: "You come to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin, but I come to you in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied."

See how the Lord of Hosts is in parallel to the God of the armies of Israel. In other words, it appears that the "hosts" in "lord of hosts" refers to Israel. Notice also that Israel is in parallel to the "armies of the living God" in v. 26. So "hosts" and "armies of the living God" is a reference to Israel.

Most likely Revelation 19:14 is intended to call to mind this ancient term "lord of hosts." If so, it is likely that the armies of heaven represent God's covenant community, the "new Israel" - that is, the church, who will (in the mind of Revelation's author) have victory along with God.

God`s word is very specific. When He says `hosts of Israel,` then that is what God means. Then when God says `hosts of heaven, or heavenly hosts,` then that is what God means.

Marilyn.

 

[Oseas]

It all has to do with the word of God as you can read in those scriptures that I and a few others have given that the army that returns with Christ are the host/angels from the third heaven. Even Paul used the words third heaven in 2 Corinthians 12:2

God's heaven (third heaven, also mentioned as paradise in scripture) is in the Spiritual realm above the universe that God created.

1. Atmospheric/troposphere - the air that we breath that surrounds the earth

2. Celestial/stellar - sun, moon and stars

3. Spiritual realm/heavenly sphere - home of God above the universe

It is Jesus with the host being the angels from the third heaven that returns in the clouds in Rev 19:11-14.

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. He, the Word, says: GOD is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; Isaiah 40:v.22

 

[for_his_glory]

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. He, the Word, says: GOD is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; Isaiah 40:v.22

I totally agree that what matters is the word of God as He gave to the prophets and Apostles to write. It's just in how we understand that which has been written.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Sitting on the circle of the earth, the four corners of the earth, the ends of the earth vault of heaven etc. etc. are not to be taken in the literal sense. God is enthroned above the earth above the whole universe as being the heaven of heavens sitting in the Spiritual realm of God. Jesus returns from there with the army that is the host (angels) from the heaven of heavens. I have to believe what Jesus said in John 3:13.

 

[Marilyn C]

And that is key - I have to believe what Jesus said .

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, & all the HOLY ANGELS with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

`the Son of Man .....comes in His own glory, & in His Father`s glory & in the glory of the HOLY ANGELS.` (Luke 9: 26)

`when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with HIS MIGHTY ANGELS.` (2 Thess. 1: 7)

Either Jesus is speaking the truth or He is lying. And we know that God is not a man that He should lie or the Son of Man that He should repent.