Who is the devil

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

yes, the "darkness" is the uncaused dark side of the divine, and all its primordial appearances/spirits are inanimate entities: satan, the "beast", the "death", the "hell", the "whore", the devils/evil spirits, etc. - all they are not ensouled beings

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The "dark side of the divine"?? Really?

 

[vocalyocal]

we as a rule testified by faith in God and Jesus, not by scripture, but the sanity can also figure out that the evil spirits are inanimate appearances/things of the "darkness", while the souls are things of the true God, because also it is written that He created the human/ensouled beings, while there is no verification in the Scripture that satan was made of God, then He would have been unrighteous if He was the creator of any evil thing

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who are "we"

and what group/sect of christianity follows this train of thought, that satan is inanimate

 

[JCitoL]

The "dark side of the divine"?? Really?

yes, it is something like the "dark side of the force" in "star wars", but with greater effect(-s), because the angels of satan have the potential to materialize and achieve great things:

"You are to be the custodian of a certain silver amulet. I will not give it to you today; to demonstrate the truth in my words, the talisman shall materialize in your hands tomorrow as you meditate." AY 2,

"The next evening, as I sat with folded hands in meditation, a silver amulet materialized between my palms, even as the sadhu had promised." AY 2,

"My guru, awake in God, knew this world to be nothing but an objectivized dream of the Creator. Because he was completely aware of his unity with the Divine Dreamer, Lahiri Mahasaya could materialize or dematerialize or make any change he wished in the cosmic vision." AY 12,

"'Come, brother,' my companion said. 'The master awaits you.' "He led the way through the forest. The somber night was suddenly lit by a steady luminosity in the distance. "'Can that be the sunrise?' I inquired. 'Surely the whole night has not passed?' "'The hour is midnight.' My guide laughed softly. 'Yonder light is the glow of a golden palace, materialized here tonight by the peerless Babaji. In the dim past, you once expressed a desire to enjoy the beauties of a palace." AY 34,

"Feast your eyes; enjoy the artistic splendors of this palace, for it has been brought into being solely in your honor.' My guide smiled sympathetically as I uttered a few ejaculations of wonderment. "'Brother,' I said, 'the beauty of this structure surpasses the bounds of human imagination. Please tell me the mystery of its origin.' "'I will gladly enlighten you.' My companion's dark eyes sparkled with wisdom. 'In reality there is nothing inexplicable about this materialization. The whole cosmos is a materialized thought of the Creator." AY 34,

"Being one with the infinite all-accomplishing Will, Babaji can summon the elemental atoms to combine and manifest themselves in any form. This golden palace, instantaneously created, is real, even as this earth is real. Babaji created this palatial mansion out of his mind and is holding its atoms together by the power of his will, even as God created this earth and is maintaining it intact.' He added, 'When this structure has served its purpose, Babaji will dematerialize it.'" AY 34

Blessings

 

[JCitoL]

who are "we"

and what group/sect of christianity follows this train of thought, that satan is inanimate

we are just witnesses of the true God and Jesus

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[thisnumbersdisconnected]

yes, it is something like the "dark side of the force" in "star wars", but with greater effect(-s), because the angels of satan have the potential to materialize and achieve great things:

Good and evil are hardly two sides of the same coin. They are separate. God made them so in Genesis 1:3.

 

[Sparkey]

...
"Being one with the infinite all-accomplishing Will, Babaji can summon the elemental atoms to combine and manifest themselves in any form. This golden palace, instantaneously created, is real, even as this earth is real. Babaji created this palatial mansion out of his mind and is holding its atoms together by the power of his will, even as God created this earth and is maintaining it intact.' He added, 'When this structure has served its purpose, Babaji will dematerialize it.'" AY 34

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I'm having difficulty following your references, if that indeed is what they are. I see notations such as "AY 2," "AY 12," & "AY 34" following some of the paragraphs in your post. I've also looked up the last paragraph quoted and found the reference to a quoted online source.

Can you help my curiosity by providing more complete links, please? Of course, if you are the original author no source credit is needed, but since at least one of your quotes is from the "Autobiography of a Yogi," by Paramhansa Yogananda (Original First Edition, Copyright 1946), I doubt this is the case.

 

[JCitoL]

Good and evil are hardly two sides of the same coin. They are separate. God made them so in Genesis 1:3.

yes. the good and the negative sides of the divine are two distinct things, that's why it has been written that "God is light, and in him is no darkness at all"(1 John 1:5), otherwise He should have been a hypocrite

Blessings

 

[JCitoL]

I'm having difficulty following your references, if that indeed is what they are. I see notations such as "AY 2," "AY 12," & "AY 34" following some of the paragraphs in your post. I've also looked up the last paragraph quoted and found the reference to a quoted online source.

Can you help my curiosity by providing more complete links, please? Of course, if you are the original author no source credit is needed, but since at least one of your quotes is from the "Autobiography of a Yogi," by Paramhansa Yogananda (Original First Edition, Copyright 1946), I doubt this is the case.

yes, the source is exactly that book which you found, the so-called "avatars" and "yogis" are the most sublime clerics of the "darkness", while (the) "yoga" is the method wherethrough they acquire this

Blessings

 

[vocalyocal]

The devil is inanimate? There's sense in it. I've never thought about it before.

He isn't man! We have life. The devil's a spirit

the bible calls him a man in Isaiah 14:16

“Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,

and are you not flesh and spirit?

 

[vocalyocal]

we are just witnesses of the true God and Jesus

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well the true Jesus went with satan to the top of a mountain and top of the temple pinnacle, he talked with him and was tempted by him, not sure why he doesn't sound like a real being

 

[JCitoL]

well the true Jesus went with satan to the top of a mountain and top of the temple pinnacle, he talked with him and was tempted by him, not sure why he doesn't sound like a real being

satan is a being, but it is not a soul, then it is not living from the viewpoint of God's inspired, because there is no life in it, however it is the second in cleverness after God Himself, so satan is a clever spirit which might think and operate by itself, but it's not possible for it to operate in the lives of humans without certain its spiritual servants/workers - all uncaused powers which rule the world are inanimate fundamentally, but this doesn't hinder them to be the cleverest

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[vocalyocal]

satan is a being, but it is not a soul, then it is not living from the viewpoint of God's inspired, because there is no life in it, however it is the second in cleverness after God Himself, so satan is a clever spirit which might think and operate by itself, but it's not possible for it to operate in the lives of humans without certain its spiritual servants/workers - all uncaused powers which rule the world are inanimate fundamentally, but this doesn't hinder them to be the cleverest

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so you don't believe satan is alive?......?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

satan is a being, but it is not a soul, then it is not living from the viewpoint of God's inspired, because there is no life in it, however it is the second in cleverness after God Himself, so satan is a clever spirit which might think and operate by itself, but it's not possible for it to operate in the lives of humans without certain its spiritual servants/workers - all uncaused powers which rule the world are inanimate fundamentally, but this doesn't hinder them to be the cleverest

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Do you view the angels, even God Himself, as "inanimate"? Because they are spirit beings just as Satan is. To say he isn't "animate" and to view him as "just a thing" is a grossly incorrect view of Scripture. Throughout the Old and New Testaments, he is referred to as "he" and as a legitimate one-on-one threat to those who do not believe. All these threads about God and the angels being an "alien" and this stuff about Satan being "inanimate" mislead those who are seeking. We really need to be move careful about how we present our faith.

 

[vocalyocal]

Do you view the angels, even God Himself, as "inanimate"? Because they are spirit beings just as Satan is. To say he isn't "animate" and to view him as "just a thing" is a grossly incorrect view of Scripture. Throughout the Old and New Testaments, he is referred to as "he" and as a legitimate one-on-one threat to those who do not believe. All these threads about God and the angels being an "alien" and this stuff about Satan being "inanimate" mislead those who are seeking. We really need to be move careful about how we present our faith.

I agree that this poster has an errant view of satan, but you made a really big deal over the simple definition of a word, I'm not sure why you can't grasp the simple fact that the word "ALIEN" simply means (a being not from this planet)........thats all it means! doesn't mean a green little guy in a flying saucer, maybe thats what you think it means but the text book definition does not even suggest that

 

[Sparkey]

I agree that this poster has an errant view of satan, but you made a really big deal over the simple definition of a word, I'm not sure why you can't grasp the simple fact that the word "ALIEN" simply means (a being not from this planet)........thats all it means! doesn't mean a green little guy in a flying saucer, maybe thats what you think it means but the text book definition does not even suggest that

vocalyocal, let's not go there. reba has closed the other thread about "aliens". Give it a rest.

 

[Sparkey]

Here is a topical study found online that may help you answer this for yourself:
200 Bible Verses about...
Satan

 

[JCitoL]

so you don't believe satan is alive?......?

satan itself is not an ensouled being although there were many unrighteous spiritual servants/workers till now who were (a) kind of something like "devils in flesh and blood", then it is impossible there be fallen God's Angel of those that He made during the first six days of the Creation

Matthew 23:33 "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"

Blessings

 

[vocalyocal]

satan itself is not an ensouled being although there were many unrighteous spiritual servants/workers till now who were (a) kind of something like "devils in flesh and blood", then it is impossible there be fallen God's Angels of those that He made during the first six days of the Creation

Matthew 23:33 "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"

Blessings

not sure why you refer to satan as "it" you don't seem to have any scripture to support this notion you have, so I'm pretty sure its simply somthing you created yourself

 

[vocalyocal]

vocalyocal, let's not go there. reba has closed the other thread about "aliens". Give it a rest.

no problem.......I just have one question, are threads going to be closed for simply not understanding the definitions of the english language, maybe you would like to look up the word alien and propose how I grossly misrepresented it

Peter says we are aliens here, that this planet is not our home, if I start a thread about us being aliens will it to get shut down too, because the only definition of the word alien conjures up images of little green men and people can't get past their own predisposed errant definition.

to be honest I've never encountered people who simply refused to accept basic translations of the english dictionary, this makes no sense at all
but obviously this isn't going to be based on facts or laws of english, its just going to be based on who gets to make the rules.

Its your game so I'll play by your rules, I just hope that you don't think I'm a little green man if I say I'm an alien here on planet earth

 

[JCitoL]

Do you view the angels, even God Himself, as "inanimate"? Because they are spirit beings just as Satan is. To say he isn't "animate" and to view him as "just a thing" is a grossly incorrect view of Scripture. Throughout the Old and New Testaments, he is referred to as "he" and as a legitimate one-on-one threat to those who do not believe. All these threads about God and the angels being an "alien" and this stuff about Satan being "inanimate" mislead those who are seeking. We really need to be move careful about how we present our faith.

the nature of the "dark" side of the divine is rather inanimate as opposed to the "Light", this is something like the difference between the sky, the ground and the lava coming from under the surface, because there is a life in the sky - birds and flying insects, there is also a life on the ground - humans, animals and insects, but there is no life in the lava although there may be some miners, animals and insects under the surface, the situation is similar with regard to the things in the faith, spiritually viewed the Heaven (which is the world of the very good) is full of Angels that are ensouled beings, the earth (which is the constructive substance of the developed good) is full of humans and animals that also are ensouled beings, but the "darkness" is a place where there is no life of it itself - there is place of "death", then the nature of its substructure is inanimate, because all primordial appearances of the "darkness" are inanimate, and they are the well-known from the book "Revelation": "dragon"/devil, "beast", "other beast", "whore", "death", "hell", and (the) devils/sins/evil spirits, then the appearance of the "darkness" is not pleasing to God, because God and the "darkness" are eternally contrary/relucted each other, the "dakrkness" cannot in any way please God, neither God did/will ever please the "darkness"

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