Who is the devil

[JCitoL]

not sure why you refer to satan as "it" you don't seem to have any scripture to support this notion you have, so I'm pretty sure its simply somthing you created yourself

the translation of the Bible usually is more or less imperfect/full of imperfections, then there were till now certain inaccuracies in hitherto existing traditions/doctrines, here is for example the biblical word "ἐκεῖνος"(ekeinos) which signifies the pronoun "he" for the devil e.g. as it is in John 8:44, for as much as the original translation of this word is: he, she it, etc., but because the devil is accounted male in various hitherto existing traditions/doctrines and therefore the pronoun for the devil is "he" in the Bible, and this is most due to certain inaccuracies which came through(-out) the centuries, of course (by) saying this we are not judging any human, neither (we) judge in general, but satan itself is nohow inanimate

Blessings

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

the nature of the "dark" side of the divine is rather inanimate as opposed to the "Light", this is something like the difference between the sky, the ground and the lava coming from under the surface, because there is a life in the sky - birds and flying insects, there is also a life on the ground - humans, animals and insects, but there is no life in the lava although there may be some miners, animals and insects under the surface, the situation is similar with regard to the things in the faith, spiritually viewed the Heaven (which is the world of the very good) is full of Angels that are ensouled beings, the earth (which is the constructive substance of the developed good) is full of humans and animals that also are ensouled beings, but the "darkness" is a place where there is no life of it itself - there is a place of "death", then the nature of its substructure is inanimate, because all primordial appearances of the "darkness" are inanimate, and they are the well-known from the book "Revelation": "dragon"/devil, "beast", "other beast", "whore", "death", "hell", and (the) devils/sins/evil spirits, then the appearance of the "darkness" is not pleasing to God, because God and the "darkness" are eternally contrary/relucted each other, the "dakrkness" cannot in any way please God, neither God did/will ever please the "darkness"

Blessings

You can't support any of this biblically, so let's move on. It sounds like the draft for a "Star Wars" script. Done here.

 

[Aardverk]

Because the heart of man is evil ..........

I find that a very sad and harmful philosophy.

I don't know where you live but in my experience, most men and women are innately good with just a few who are evil. Tell a good man that he is 'evil' and maybe you will make him so.

I've had more than enough of this sort of nonsense, so good bye, I'm leaving now. You can say and believe whatever you want.

 

[Guest]

no problem.......I just have one question, are threads going to be closed for simply not understanding the definitions of the english language, maybe you would like to look up the word alien and propose how I grossly misrepresented it

You grossly misrepresented angels by believing angels are not from God. That's false doctrine.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I find that a very sad and harmful philosophy.

It is biblically based, but it cannot be harmful. It is sad, however. It is the state of man apart from God.

I don't know where you live but in my experience, most men and women are innately good with just a few who are evil. Tell a good man that he is 'evil' and maybe you will make him so.

I suspected this is what you believed, 'Verk, and I understand it. The issue, however, is not how "good" a person can be when the simple fact is that any sin, any misdeed, any evil committed, if just for one second out of an entire 80-year lifespan, is sufficient to separate us from God. That makes man inherently evil in the same manner by which Adam and Eve were deemed "evil" and banned from the Garden.

I've had more than enough of this sort of nonsense, so good bye, I'm leaving now. You can say and believe whatever you want.

I hate to see you depart in that manner. Perhaps we need to clarify both our positions for one another.

 

[JCitoL]

You can't support any of this biblically, so let's move on. It sounds like the draft for a "Star Wars" script. Done here.

all this which we testified exists also in the Bible though in a quite disordered form

Blessings

 

[vocalyocal]

You grossly misrepresented angels by believing angels are not from God. That's false doctrine.

I'm not sure where you ever came up with such an idea, as I have never or will never say such a ridiculas statement, we know from scripture that angels ARE SENT BY GOD!........of course there are the fallen angels, and they have been cast down to earth

and let me make one thing perfectly clear so that nobody gets confused (THERE ARE NO LITTLE GREEN ALIEN MEN!!!!!!)
there are only two kinds of beings that may possibly be present on this earth, one is a GOD SENT ANGEL, and the other is satan and his fallen angelic brothers who were cast down to earth, and nolonger live in the heavenly abode they once enjoyed

 

[vocalyocal]

the nature of the "dark" side of the divine is rather inanimate as opposed to the "Light", this is something like the difference between the sky, the ground and the lava coming from under the surface, because there is a life in the sky - birds and flying insects, there is also a life on the ground - humans, animals and insects, but there is no life in the lava although there may be some miners, animals and insects under the surface, the situation is similar with regard to the things in the faith, spiritually viewed the Heaven (which is the world of the very good) is full of Angels that are ensouled beings, the earth (which is the constructive substance of the developed good) is full of humans and animals that also are ensouled beings, but the "darkness" is a place where there is no life of it itself - there is place of "death", then the nature of its substructure is inanimate, because all primordial appearances of the "darkness" are inanimate, and they are the well-known from the book "Revelation": "dragon"/devil, "beast", "other beast", "whore", "death", "hell", and (the) devils/sins/evil spirits, then the appearance of the "darkness" is not pleasing to God, because God and the "darkness" are eternally contrary/relucted each other, the "dakrkness" cannot in any way please God, neither God did/will ever please the "darkness"

Blessings

this is all ramblings of what you believe, you should write a book! Gene Roddenberry was quite successful

although nothing he wrote has anything to do with TRUTH!

 

[Sparkey]

Address your comments "At the Man" and not to the subject under discussion. Include what may be seen as ad hominem attacks in what you say here.

Sparrowhawke . o O (Yeah, that's the ticket. Let's see where this goes, shall we?)

 

[Guest]

I'm not sure where you ever came up with such an idea, as I have never or will never say such a ridiculas statement, we know from scripture that angels ARE SENT BY GOD!........of course there are the fallen angels, and they have been cast down to earth

I came up with that idea from this..

that means angelic beings who do not originate here on earth come down from their heavenly abode and intervene in the lives of people who God chooses. while some sort of creature has been connected with the term alien, these creatures neither acknowledge God or say they know of Him, that leaves only one entity according to the bible who could fit this description and that would be fallen angels who like their leader is the father of all lies.

You do know that God also created the devil and hell, as well as angels, right?
Technically God created Lucifer, the most glorified angel in heaven, then Lucifer made the choice to sin.

 

[JCitoL]

this is all ramblings of what you believe, you should write a book! Gene Roddenberry was quite successful

although nothing he wrote has anything to do with TRUTH!

and how you think it's possible God to create e.g. the "devil" and the "death" as (or they to be) animate beings for as much as they both are the primary sources/causers/perpetrators of all evils/prejudices/afflictions of the universe?!, how is it possible there be so excessive abuse either on the part of God or satan if the primordial appearances/spirits of the "darkness" are animate?!

Blessings

 

[chazz]

Pertaining to Matt 4:1-11, when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness, isn't it possible that these (very real) temptations occurred inside Jesus' mind? Isn't that the place where we are most tempted?

 

[Mitspa]

Study the name "satan" or "devil" look at his history in scripture? He always the one who leads man away from the Tree of Life. He is always the one who hates the righteousness of faith. He is always the one who works against the gospel of grace. He is the ACCUSER his favorite and best work in done in the houses of mans religion. He is the pharisee, he is judas. he always stays near to the truth and cloaks himself in religion. He always comes masked as a preacher of righteousness, trying to look moral and correct sin in others.
He draws all his strength from mans weaknesses and fears. This is why Paul wrote that when The Lord Jesus was nailed to the Cross the law was nailed also. That in this act, satan was disarmed? because the law was against us and contrary to us. Its job was to bring the legal charge of sin, against all men.
In Christ every charge of law has been taken "out of the way".

The ACCUSER now attempts to bring believers back into the bondage of the law. Why? so he can ACCUSE THEM!

here is your satan, who goes about like a roaring lion, accusing and attempting to bring believers into the bondage of the curse. Here he will destroy all who turn from grace back into law.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Pertaining to Matt 4:1-11, when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness, isn't it possible that these (very real) temptations occurred inside Jesus' mind? Isn't that the place where we are most tempted?

You think the Son of God could be deceived by His own mind? Your getting very close to heresy here, that Jesus was delusional. I think you might want to back off that position.

 

[vocalyocal]

I came up with that idea from this..



You do know that God also created the devil and hell, as well as angels, right?
Technically God created Lucifer, the most glorified angel in heaven, then Lucifer made the choice to sin.

OK! so your under the impression that when I equate a being that does not ackowledge God the Father, you don't capture the obvious! which would be THEY ARE LIARS!, JUST AS SATAN IS THE FATHER OF ALL LIES this would only be the conclusion that these beings would be FALLEN ANGELS!!!!

there are no other ALIENS!!!!!!!!!!

 

[vocalyocal]

and how you think it's possible God to create e.g. the "devil" and the "death" as (or they to be) animate beings for as much as they both are the primary sources/causers/perpetrators of all evils/prejudices/afflictions of the universe?!, how is it possible there be so excessive abuse either on the part of God or satan if the primordial appearances/spirits of the "darkness" are animate?!

Blessings

I can't even/or uneven understand your question/or answer, as its sounds like a riddle/limerick/joke with words/verbs/nouns

 

[vocalyocal]

Pertaining to Matt 4:1-11, when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness, isn't it possible that these (very real) temptations occurred inside Jesus' mind? Isn't that the place where we are most tempted?

yeah maybe he ate wild peyote buttons and the whole thing was just a bad trip, or maybe the devil is a real being, who we are told took Jesus to the top of a mountain and to the top of the temple pinnacle.
that kind of thinking is half the problem, equating the devil as only a mind adversary and not grasping he is a real person, even dwelling at a real place on the earth, as we are told he has a throne

Rev.2:13
I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me,<SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP> not even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness,<SUP class=crossreference value='(B)'></SUP> who was put to death in your city—where Satan lives.<SUP class=crossreference value='(C)'></SUP>

 

[vocalyocal]

Study the name "satan" or "devil" look at his history in scripture? He always the one who leads man away from the Tree of Life. He is always the one who hates the righteousness of faith. He is always the one who works against the gospel of grace. He is the ACCUSER his favorite and best work in done in the houses of mans religion. He is the pharisee, he is judas. he always stays near to the truth and cloaks himself in religion. He always comes masked as a preacher of righteousness, trying to look moral and correct sin in others.
He draws all his strength from mans weaknesses and fears. This is why Paul wrote that when The Lord Jesus was nailed to the Cross the law was nailed also. That in this act, satan was disarmed? because the law was against us and contrary to us. Its job was to bring the legal charge of sin, against all men.
In Christ every charge of law has been taken "out of the way".

The ACCUSER now attempts to bring believers back into the bondage of the law. Why? so he can ACCUSE THEM!

here is your satan, who goes about like a roaring lion, accusing and attempting to bring believers into the bondage of the curse. Here he will destroy all who turn from grace back into law.

yet in the end Jesus Himself condemns lawlessness, which should we believe your lawlessness Christianity, or a Christianity where the believer gives up their life and lets Christ live it in obedience to the Father, no longer living in sins that lead to death

 

[vocalyocal]

You think the Son of God could be deceived by His own mind? Your getting very close to heresy here, that Jesus was delusional. I think you might want to back off that position.

you should start after him heresy hunter......lol.......ask him how to be saved

 

[Guest]

OK! so your under the impression that when I equate a being that does not ackowledge God the Father, you don't capture the obvious! which would be THEY ARE LIARS!, JUST AS SATAN IS THE FATHER OF ALL LIES this would only be the conclusion that these beings would be FALLEN ANGELS!!!!

there are no other ALIENS!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, either Satan has convinced you that he is an alien that does not acknowledge God or know of him, or you think aliens from Mars or wherever exist. The devil cannot tempt us without the devil acknowledging God first, vocalyocal. When you say 'they' are liars and 'these beings' who is they and these beings, star wars characters or ET from 1982?