Who is the devil

[Mitspa]

yet in the end Jesus Himself condemns lawlessness, which should we believe your lawlessness Christianity, or a Christianity where the believer gives up their life and lets Christ live it in obedience to the Father, no longer living in sins that lead to death

Who were the lawless ones of the days the Lord walked the earth? It was the religious hypocrites who thought they kept the law! It is the same today. The law of faith, the royal law of love is the only acceptable law of God for man.
The law of moses is not of faith and is the strength of sin.
Satan and his ministers mask themselves as preachers of the righteousness of law. Accusing and condemning those who have been justified by the Blood of Christ.

Jesus Christ did not come to condemn but to save. He is the justifier!

Satan comes but to steal, kill and destroy. he is the accuser of the brotheren.

Those who walk in the flesh are lawless, those who are under law are in fact in the flesh. Paul makes this point very clear, the Holy Spirit assumes one would understand the book of Revelation by the gospel, not by religious tradition of by the law of moses.

John himself wrote the commandments of God are to believe in His Son and to love as He gave commandment.
So any lawlessness is for those who turn from these holy commandments back into the law of moses.

 

[vocalyocal]

Who were the lawless ones of the days the Lord walked the earth? It was the religious hypocrites who thought they kept the law! It is the same today. The law of faith, the royal law of love is the only acceptable law of God for man.
The law of moses is not of faith and is the strength of sin.
Satan and his ministers mask themselves as preachers of the righteousness of law. Accusing and condemning those who have been justified by the Blood of Christ.

Jesus Christ did not come to condemn but to save. He is the justifier!

Satan comes but to steal, kill and destroy. he is the accuser of the brotheren.

Those who walk in the flesh are lawless, those who are under law are in fact in the flesh. Paul makes this point very clear, the Holy Spirit assumes one would understand the book of Revelation by the gospel, not by religious tradition of by the law of moses.

John himself wrote the commandments of God are to believe in His Son and to love as He gave commandment.
So any lawlessness is for those who turn from these holy commandments back into the law of moses.

I don't follow the law of Moses, I follow the one written on my heart, the one Paul reminded the believers of his time period, that believers who live in sin's that lead to death (see 1 Cor. 6:9-10)


Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God?<SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP> Do not be deceived:<SUP class=crossreference value='(B)'></SUP> Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers<SUP class=crossreference value='(C)'></SUP> nor men who have sex with men<SUP class=footnote sizset="24" value='[a]' sizcache07465759195356564="3">[a]</SUP><SUP class=crossreference value='(D)'></SUP> <SUP class=versenum>10 </SUP>nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers<SUP class=crossreference value='(E)'></SUP> will inherit the kingdom of God.



Paul said DO NOT BE DECEIVED!.......are you saying now that believers can live in these sins AND INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD!

 

[Mitspa]

I don't follow the law of Moses, I follow the one written on my heart, the one Paul reminded the believers of his time period, that believers who live in sin's that lead to death (see 1 Cor. 6:9-10)


Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God?<SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP> Do not be deceived:<SUP class=crossreference value='(B)'></SUP> Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers<SUP class=crossreference value='(C)'></SUP> nor men who have sex with men<SUP class=footnote sizset="24" value='[a]' sizcache07465759195356564="3">[a]</SUP><SUP class=crossreference value='(D)'></SUP> <SUP class=versenum>10 </SUP>nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers<SUP class=crossreference value='(E)'></SUP> will inherit the kingdom of God.



Paul said DO NOT BE DECEIVED!.......are you saying now that believers can live in these sins AND INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD!

Who is promoting sin but those who preach the law? for the strength of sin is the law.

Also I made very clear that we are under the commandments of God! Faith and love for all the law is fulfilled in love.

Also I notice that you take scripture out of its context, and use it to promote your false understanding. This is called "bearing false witness" a sin condemned by the law of moses.

When you leave out a verse such as verse 12 in 1Cor 6, you change the meaning and purpose of that scripture. Thus making you guilty of using the word of God in a dishonest way.
Also i point out that you have changed certain words that have very important meaning in the context of the truth Paul is teaching.
"wrongdoers" is not the word Paul uses but "unrighteous" which has great importance in all the epistles.

So I have not promoted sin in any way! I teach power over sin by the grace of God and walking in the spirit.

Like Paul said, nothing profits anything, but faith working by love.

 

[vocalyocal]

Who is promoting sin but those who preach the law? for the strength of sin is the law.

Also I made very clear that we are under the commandments of God! Faith and love for all the law is fulfilled in love.

Also I notice that you take scripture out of its context, and use it to promote your false understanding. This is called "bearing false witness" a sin condemned by the law of moses.

When you leave out a verse such as verse 12 in 1Cor 6, you change the meaning and purpose of that scripture. Thus making you guilty of using the word of God in a dishonest way.
Also i point out that you have changed certain words that have very important meaning in the context of the truth Paul is teaching.
"wrongdoers" is not the word Paul uses but "unrighteous" which has great importance in all the epistles.

So I have not promoted sin in any way! I teach power over sin by the grace of God and walking in the spirit.

Like Paul said, nothing profits anything, but faith working by love.

So in verse 12 you are now saying it is lawful for Paul to do any of the sins he just listed in 9-10???????? yet the rest of the chapter speaks of fleeing sexual immorality

I'm not sure just how to take you, you seem to be talking out of two sides of your mouth

 

[vocalyocal]

Who is promoting sin but those who preach the law? for the strength of sin is the law.

Also I made very clear that we are under the commandments of God! Faith and love for all the law is fulfilled in love.

Also I notice that you take scripture out of its context, and use it to promote your false understanding. This is called "bearing false witness" a sin condemned by the law of moses.

When you leave out a verse such as verse 12 in 1Cor 6, you change the meaning and purpose of that scripture. Thus making you guilty of using the word of God in a dishonest way.
Also i point out that you have changed certain words that have very important meaning in the context of the truth Paul is teaching.
"wrongdoers" is not the word Paul uses but "unrighteous" which has great importance in all the epistles.

So I have not promoted sin in any way! I teach power over sin by the grace of God and walking in the spirit.

Like Paul said, nothing profits anything, but faith working by love.

and for the record bearing false witness, is lying about someone

 

[Guest]

When you leave out a verse such as verse 12 in 1Cor 6, you change the meaning and purpose of that scripture. Thus making you guilty of using the word of God in a dishonest way. Also i point out that you have changed certain words that have very important meaning in the context of the truth Paul is teaching. "wrongdoers" is not the word Paul uses but "unrighteous" which has great importance in all the epistles.

Wow, good point. Blessings brother in Christ.

 

[vocalyocal]

Wow, good point. Blessings brother in Christ.

whats the good point? is it your understanding that you can live as homosexual and still inherit the kingdom of God?

 

[Guest]

whats the good point? is it your understanding that you can live as homosexual and still inherit the kingdom of God?

Please respond to Post#60, and to answer your question, it's not the sin of the homosexual, it's his unbelief in who Jesus Christ is that keeps him from salvation.

 

[vocalyocal]

Yes, either Satan has convinced you that he is an alien that does not acknowledge God or know of him, or you think aliens from Mars or wherever exist. The devil cannot tempt us without the devil acknowledging God first, vocalyocal. When you say 'they' are liars and 'these beings' who is they and these beings, star wars characters or ET from 1982?

I don't know if you just have trouble reading or what!........Satan is a liar, he is the father of all lies, your saying that the devil must acknowledge that God does exist to the people he is going to deceive before he decieves them???????????? what does he have to do? "hi my name is satan" "I acknowledge God is the creator of everything"...........now I will begin to tell you just the opposite, and do my work to deceive you, there is no God, and I am actually from some unknown planet, like the green suit I'm wearing" "I made it myself"

 

[vocalyocal]

Please respond to Post#60, and to answer your question, it's not the sin of the homosexual, it's his unbelief in who Jesus Christ is that keeps him from salvation.

so you do believe that practicing homosexuals who believe in Jesus will inherit the kingdom of God

 

[Guest]

your saying that the devil must acknowledge that God does exist to the people he is going to deceive before he decieves them???????????? what does he have to do? "hi my name is satan" "I acknowledge God is the creator of everything"

No vocalyocal, you have that sentence backwards. The devil already knows God exists. The devil must acknowledge God as the one above him in order for the devil to tempt us. Believers in Christ already know this fact. It's the unbelievers that are unaware of this. God has all power over the devil. God uses the devil to tempt us in order to bring humility and trust to the believer. Temptation makes us stronger in Christ. Temptation is not sin however. When you are tempted, either fight or flee, and it will make you stronger. When God tempts an unbeliever, the unbeliever blames God and continues in sin rather than repenting of their sins. God makes them look like fools.

so you do believe that practicing homosexuals who believe in Jesus will inherit the kingdom of God

No sir I don't, it's not his sin but his unbelief in who Jesus Christ is, who is Jesus Christ to you?
Rather, it's not his sin as in the same way a psychopath doesn't know he's a psychopath.

 

[Mitspa]

So in verse 12 you are now saying it is lawful for Paul to do any of the sins he just listed in 9-10???????? yet the rest of the chapter speaks of fleeing sexual immorality

I'm not sure just how to take you, you seem to be talking out of two sides of your mouth

I would say it has more to do with your double mind!
Who has promoted that these things are accepted? Not me!
I reject that any christian should have any part in these things.
But that is not the point or issue I was making. And I reject that you have any understanding of these scriptures or that you have represented them in a truthful and honest way.

Why you seem so interested in "accusing" others is interesting to me, because this is a common tactic found in the false teachers. Who appear to be upholding righteousness, but are really at work to condemn those who are innocent and clean by the Blood of Christ.

You seem unable to grasp the point of these scripture or seem to have little desire to understand the deeper things of Gods word.

 

[Mitspa]

so you do believe that practicing homosexuals who believe in Jesus will inherit the kingdom of God

Of course they cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, because NO ONE who walks in the flesh can inherit the Kingdom. Only those who are walking in the spirit are in the living process of receiveing the Kingdom of God. A pharisee such as Paul was "blamless" cannot inherit the kingdom, because they are in the flesh. Get a clue! You have no understanding and are too full of pride to learn from those who do.

 

[vocalyocal]

No vocalyocal, you have that sentence backwards. The devil already knows God exists. The devil must acknowledge God as the one above him in order for the devil to tempt us. Believers in Christ already know this fact. It's the unbelievers that are unaware of this. God has all power over the devil. God uses the devil to tempt us in order to bring humility and trust to the believer. Temptation makes us stronger in Christ. Temptation is not sin however. When you are tempted, either fight or flee, and it will make you stronger. When God tempts an unbeliever, the unbeliever blames God and continues in sin rather than repenting of their sins. God makes them look like fools.




Of course the devil knows God exist!!!!!!




No sir I don't, it's not his sin but his unbelief in who Jesus Christ is, who is Jesus Christ to you?
Rather, it's not his sin as in the same way a psychopath doesn't know he's a psychopath.

sadly their are many practicing homosexuals who could answer correctly who Jesus Christ is

So if its not the sin that condemns sinners to hell what in the world did Jesus die for?

 

[Guest]

sadly their are many practicing homosexuals who could answer correctly who Jesus Christ is

So if its not the sin that condemns sinners to hell what in the world did Jesus die for?

They could answer correctly, but answering correctly and repenting fully of their sins are two completely different things. Jesus did die for our sins, but a sinner doesn't know that!! When a sinner turns into a believer and they come to Christ, Christ reveals to them that they were once sinners, but now they walk in faith! 2 Corinthians 5:7 - A believer is no longer blind to what sin is. So again, it's not the sin but rather your unbelief in who Jesus Christ is that keeps you from salvation. Again, who is Jesus Christ to you?

 

[DiscipleDave]

Everyday we wrestle against p&p. We fight against the devil. Who is this devil???

The Devil, is a fallen Angel of God, He Tried to take the Throne of God for himself, and failed. To know the whole story about how it all went down, you can read this article found
http://DiscipleDave.com/Meaningoflife.html
i know it is the Truth, because it is what HE told me. If you believe it, So be it. If you do not believe it, then so be it.

^i^

 

[Mitspa]

sadly their are many practicing homosexuals who could answer correctly who Jesus Christ is

So if its not the sin that condemns sinners to hell what in the world did Jesus die for?

So is there sin greater than your sin? Did God not say that He could forgive them? And who are you to condemn others?
God says He will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy.

If they overcome this sin, it will not come from folks who condemn others, but by those who know Gods love for them and can show them the power of His grace.

I notice that usally those who hate others sin, have hidden sin themselves. I wonder?
Those who are homosexual are most likely demonized in some way. Many of them were raped as children, and do not understand the reason they have such lust.
Jesus Christ loves them and wants to deliver them, He cannot use the church because of the self-righteous hypocrite and powerless pew-setters that have built their guilt ridden nest in our midst. I would throw out the hypocrites and accept those who are oppressed and see them made whole By Gods Love and grace.

 

[vocalyocal]

So is there sin greater than your sin? Did God not say that He could forgive them? And who are you to condemn others?
God says He will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy.

If they overcome this sin, it will not come from folks who condemn others, but by those who know Gods love for them and can show them the power of His grace.

I notice that usally those who hate others sin, have hidden sin themselves. I wonder?
Those who are homosexual are most likely demonized in some way. Many of them were raped as children, and do not understand the reason they have such lust.
Jesus Christ loves them and wants to deliver them, He cannot use the church because of the self-righteous hypocrite and powerless pew-setters that have built their guilt ridden nest in our midst. I would throw out the hypocrites and accept those who are oppressed and see them made whole By Gods Love and grace.

considering I was a homosexual for over 20yrs let me just say you would be no help to a homosexual or anyone lost in sin, you haven't a clue of how to deal with anyone lost in sin, and I imagine the droves of people heading to hell because they listened to such a watereddown powerless gospel, of no help at all, please do sinners everywhere a favor and stop teaching your powerless unbiblical gospel.

I'm glad someone shared the real saving gospel with me, and today I am completely free from homosexual thoughts and deeds

 

[Mitspa]

considering I was a homosexual for over 20yrs let me just say you would be no help to a homosexual or anyone lost in sin, you haven't a clue of how to deal with anyone lost in sin, and I imagine the droves of people heading to hell because they listened to such a watereddown powerless gospel, of no help at all, please do sinners everywhere a favor and stop teaching your powerless unbiblical gospel.

I'm glad someone shared the real saving gospel with me, and today I am completely free from homosexual thoughts and deeds

Is it possible your own guilt has made you look to find guilt in others? And did not I see this in you?
I did and you are not free, you are yet in bondage and dont even know it. So you look to brings others into your prison of shame and guilt.

 

[vocalyocal]

They could answer correctly, but answering correctly and repenting fully of their sins are two completely different things. Jesus did die for our sins, but a sinner doesn't know that!! When a sinner turns into a believer and they come to Christ, Christ reveals to them that they were once sinners, but now they walk in faith! 2 Corinthians 5:7 - A believer is no longer blind to what sin is. So again, it's not the sin but rather your unbelief in who Jesus Christ is that keeps you from salvation. Again, who is Jesus Christ to you?

you have some sort of circling reasoning that never seems to connect, and to me Jesus is not only Savior, He is Lord