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Indeed. God Graciously Grants His Spirit to whom He Will, as does He all Heavenly things.
No man 'takes' any of those things from Him. We gave NOTHING to receive.
Exactly nothing.
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Who nailed Him ?
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Indeed. God Graciously Grants His Spirit to whom He Will, as does He all Heavenly things.
No man 'takes' any of those things from Him. We gave NOTHING to receive.
Exactly nothing.
s
So, in your view, noone can walk away from God once they are called?
smaller
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The gifts and the calling of God in Christ are irreversible and irrevocable and are so by His Own Words and Actions. A man can receive nothing of God unless it is given to him.
John 3:27
John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
What we have, we have been given, just like those who pounded the nails. They were given forgiveness just like you, given to as BLIND men who had no clue they were blind men.
God gives and grants what is His to give and grant.
s
Reality tends to disagree with your view.
smaller
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Those who nailed Jesus to the cross did so by the exact Plan of God.
Their wills were meaningless to change it.
s
so who nailed Him ? - twinc
So? God still held them accountable for murdering His son.
smaller
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God gave His Own Life, The Life of His Son, by His Own Design.
Those men who nailed him there were in fact doing exactly as God Intended.
Luke 23:34
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. -
As were the others in the events.
Acts 4:
27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
And all the freewillers said, I don't get it.
Which is also Gods Will upon them.
s
Even the Devil does as God intends. What's your point?
70AD proves that Jesus wasn't talking about the Jews, just the Romans who were tools of the Jews.
smaller
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The sin in all men comes under His Adverse Judgment, and still does. No sense pickin' on past Jews.
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Blev
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Yes that's why He said He willingly laid down His life and no man takes it from Him.
thanks be to God.
But in the natural we know the Romans put him on the cross and drove the nails in. And the Jews demanded him to be crucifed.
Acts 2:36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ
It makes perfect sense (Jesus's character) that Jesus forgave that sin (the act of the cross). It is also written Jesus came to save not condemn. That also fits with God's salvation plan. I also understand that man is quick to judge and slow to forgive but thats not God.
Randy
Jesus's mission, in the flesh, was to save. But, it's His job to judge. And, judge he did. He did not forgave the Jews, but judged them in 70AD. He sent the Jews to join the the tribes of Israel already lost to history. That's what the Olivet Discourse about (not the end of the world).
Luke 21:22
because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.
Luke 19:43 For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, 44 and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation.â€
You are mistaken if you believe God sent armies to destroy Israel because of the act of the cross. Their enemies attacked them not God.
"Father forgive them for they know not what they do" (My foundation)
Randy
I think you're talking to the wrong person, I'm merely being responsive to what someone else has claimed.
You might try reading the verses I quoted and reply to them, instead of blindly parroting your mistaken doctrine that God is impotent. The Romans were God's instrument of judgement against the Jews.
D
Deborah13
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We did. Every man who has ever lived.
He was NOT MURDERED. He was NOT A VICTUM.
He gave Himself willingly in obedience to the Father.
jasoncran
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for it pleased god to kill him.
whom really aligned his death? he was murdered in the sense that he had to die unjustly.in roman he was legally executed but for a crime he didnt commit. thus murdered by the jews and romans.
You're standing in a crowd. Someone throws a grenade into the crowd. You have an opportunity to dive for cover. But, instead, you dive on top of the grenade. It explodes, killing only you. You saved the crowd.
Do you think it would be anything less than ludicrous for authorities to say you weren't murdered because you gave your life freely?
Jesus was murdered, by the children of Satan. And, the offenders were judged and executed in 70AD.
Do you think it would be anything less than ludicrous for authorities to say you weren't murdered because you gave your life freely?
Jesus was murdered, by the children of Satan. And, the offenders were judged and executed in 70AD.
Please! You reject the verses I quoted. First you assert Rome nailed Jesus. Therefore Jesus only forgave Rome. Not the case as viewed by Peter who was there. Jesus forgave the act of the cross and He is the one who judges. Now their other sins after the life of the body would bring judgment for those that continued to willfully reject Jesus as Lord and Christ. There were believers in Israel.
I never painted a picture that God was impotent. I showed God is patient and slow to judge. A loving and compassionate God. There is a day of judgment in the future for the "whole" world as we read about in the time of the end. Until then the wheat and the weeds will grow together until harvest time as Jesus taught.
We are now going in circles.
Randy