Who nailed Him ?

[smaller]

will judas isachariot be in hell for a crime satan had him do?

Of ALL people who claim to know the scriptures YOU should know that ALL of Israel are stated, point blank, in the scriptures to be Gods children regardless of their BLINDING in behalf of the GENTILES obtaining His Mercy.

You might be THANKFUL for the USE of Judas by SATAN rather than condemning him to BURN ALIVE FOREVER in your own heart.

think about it if satan is the guilty one and him alone the according to you.no man can ever be hell

Why is it you always bait me on a subject that YOU KNOW can not even be discussed here?

if its as you say then annais and pilot and judas will be in heaven , they need not to repent.

You also know that Satan entered Judas, Satan entered Peter and even Paul had 'a devil' post salvation. You also know that Anninas and Saphira had their HEARTS deceived by WHOM? Yeah, Satan.

Acts 5:3
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie

I might ask why Peter posed it as A QUESTION from the Holy Ghost to the READERS?

s

 

[smaller]

If a jewish man robs a bank and is convicted by a jury is the jury anti Semitic.

If A CITY full of Jewish men are filled with SATAN to fulfill Gods Will and Plan in the death of Jesus Christ, why would you NOT see both God and Satan in that event and only BLAME THE JEW???

 

[Hammer]

among many many similar facts. There were zero participants who could have changed what happened, period.

Matthew 26
24 The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.â€

You should worry that your theology leaves you continually butting heads with the explicit word of the Bible.

B. God Himself purposefully, for our behalves, BLINDED and still blinds unbelieving Jews.

If you refuse to believe the explicit word of the Bible, what chance is there of you believing my word. There are no Jews today, so there are no Jews still blind. The tribe of Judah has been lost for nearly 2000 years. Those now called Jews are people with a tradition of a form of jewishness, but they are not the tribe of Judah. They make no claim nor have evidence of being the blood of Judah.

Romans 11:
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; ) unto this day.

How silly of you to underline "unto this day" a quote made 2000 years ago! Paul is quoting Moses who was talking about the blindness of the Israelites in the desert, those not allowed to enter the Promised Land. Paul is invoking that to explain the Jews of the First Century who rejected Jesus. The remnant of Israelites entered the Promised Land 40 years later. Just the same, God waited about 40 years in the First Century before ending the Temple Age.

Neither the Israelites in the desert or the Jews of the First Century were forgiven for their "blindness", even thou that was God's doing. The Israelites were judged in the desert. The Jews were judged in 70AD. And, Judas wasn't forgiven, either. Jesus said Judas was lost.

John 17
12 While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

So much for your theory that people stuck fulfilling satanic roles in scripture won't be held accountable for their actions.

 

[smaller]

You should worry that your theology leaves you continually butting heads with the explicit word of the Bible.

Give it a rest.

If your claim is that God and Satan were NOT involved in those events what are YOU reading???

 

[smaller]

It's not as if Jesus didn't have THE POWERS at His Own Disposal to stop the events either:

Matt. 25:
53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

 

[reba]

If A CITY full of Jewish men are filled with SATAN to fulfill Gods Will and Plan in the death of Jesus Christ, why would you NOT see both God and Satan in that event and only BLAME THE JEW???

You assume i dont see God and satan..... read again it should be very clear i see God's plan.... I have not mentioned satan God used him also....


Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.


I guess because i believe in personal responsibilty.... Esau and Jacob.... i see there lives as part of Gods plan Esau was responsible for selling his birth right.. satan wasn't...

I do not see in scripture the high priest asking for forgivness that does not mean he did that does not mean he didn't. It means we dont know. My gues is he didn't or it would have been recorded...

 

[smaller]

You assume i dont see God and satan..... read again it should be very clear i see God's plan.... I have not mentioned satan God used him also....

Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

I guess because i believe in personal responsibilty....

Judas couldn't have changed that matter one bit. His betrayal was foreordained long long long before and PLANNED by God Himself, as it is written.

Esau and Jacob.... i see there lives as part of Gods plan Esau was responsible for selling his birth right.. satan wasn't...

God hated Esau before either of them did good or bad, again, as God Alone Determined. Esau couldn't have changed what happened to him either.

I do not see in scripture the high priest asking for forgivness that does not mean he did that does not mean he didn't.

The high priest himself may have even been deceived by the TRUTH of his own prophecy in thinking he was doing Gods service:

John 11:
49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

It means we dont know. My gues is he didn't or it would have been recorded...

It means that the scriptures are TRUE.

As it pertains to the fate of 'all' the Jews, scriptures address that as well.

But these too are Divinely BLOCKED from the eyes of MANY even though there in black and white for hundreds of centuries.

s

 

[reba]

Smaller you are not going to change my mind as i am not going to change yours.... I will leave you, for this topic... with what you left for me...

But these too are Divinely BLOCKED from the eyes of MANY even though there in black and white for hundreds of centuries.

 

[smaller]

Smaller you are not going to change my mind as i am not going to change yours.... I will leave you, for this topic... with what you left for me...

But these too are Divinely BLOCKED from the eyes of MANY even though there in black and white for hundreds of centuries.

Some take interest in finding out. Some don't. Some can't.

enjoy!

s

 

[rrowell]

Judas couldn't have changed that matter one bit. His betrayal was foreordained long long long before and PLANNED by God Himself, as it is written.



God hated Esau before either of them did good or bad, again, as God Alone Determined. Esau couldn't have changed what happened to him either.



The high priest himself may have even been deceived by the TRUTH of his own prophecy in thinking he was doing Gods service:

John 11:
49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;




It means that the scriptures are TRUE.

As it pertains to the fate of 'all' the Jews, scriptures address that as well.

But these too are Divinely BLOCKED from the eyes of MANY even though there in black and white for hundreds of centuries.

s

You fail to see (to use one of your terms you love to through) the difference between "foreordained" and "foreknowledge"!

 

[smaller]

You fail to see (to use one of your terms you love to through) the difference between "foreordained" and "foreknowledge"!

The matters of this thread are 'who nailed Him.'

There were factually 3 parties intimately involved. God, Satan and people.

It is pointless to say there were only Jews or Romans. But some will say, yeah, it was Gods Plan, and yeah, Satan was involved and used 'in people,' but let's not look at those parts so we can blame only the people.

And that would more than likely be your view as well.

s

 

[Hitch]

A small bit of hot air.

 

[rrowell]

The matters of this thread are 'who nailed Him.'

There were factually 3 parties intimately involved. God, Satan and people.

It is pointless to say there were only Jews or Romans. But some will say, yeah, it was Gods Plan, and yeah, Satan was involved and used 'in people,' but let's not look at those parts so we can blame only the people.

And that would more than likely be your view as well.

s

You are the best at avoiding anything direct and white wash everything with "your" philosophical idea...

You said to Reba that God "preordained" that Esau would disobey Him, that he "had no choice".

Again, you fail to know the difference between "foreordained" and "foreknowledge". Period...

 

[twinc]

The matters of this thread are 'who nailed Him.'

There were factually 3 parties intimately involved. God, Satan and people.

It is pointless to say there were only Jews or Romans. But some will say, yeah, it was Gods Plan, and yeah, Satan was involved and used 'in people,' but let's not look at those parts so we can blame only the people.

And that would more than likely be your view as well.

s

the matter of this thread is 'who [actually]nailed him' as stated in Scripture - simple question so why not simply answer simply - twinc

 

[wayseer]

If Judas was following God's will then who are we to suggest otherwise?

But as they say, don't let the truth stand in the way of a good story.

The Romans killed Jesus. The Jews had no such authority.

 

[jasoncran]

lol. if a jewish man robs einstein brother's bagel is he anti-semetic.?

smaller by your reasoning hitler was ordered by god to kill jews. hmm many a jews when they survived turned to athiesm.the founders of modern day isreal werent devout jews but athiests.

and you just made their case a little bit easier.

 

[wayseer]

See what I mean ...

 

[jasoncran]

had the jews not went to pilate, jesus wouldnt have been crucified.
but they had to as god prophecied that it would happen as he FORESAW it.

sure satan had some play in it but that doesnt mean i or any human can tell God or a judge, satan made me do it.

 

[Stormcrow]

was it the Romans or the Jews - how can we know for certain ? - twinc

It was sin for which He went to the cross willingly. Romans and Jews were both merely the instruments necessary to bring God's plan of redemption for all mankind to fruition.

Having noted that, the Jews of the first century had the greater guilt. They bore the greater sin because they knew the Law and the prophets and both pointed to Him. They should've known better. Still, it was because they rejected Him that the gospel has come to Gentiles.

 

[Stormcrow]

You are mistaken if you believe God sent armies to destroy Israel because of the act of the cross.

Might want to brush up on Matthew 21:33-46 and Matthew 23 a bit.