Who, or What, are the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11?

[Terraphim]

Part 2

There is no grace for the 4th Septum, as God is not in need of grace, and hell does not receive grace, unless one spiritually ascends by faith, from hell to the 1st heaven. There is one sort of grace in hell, however, which is the contiguity of hell to God, because God is not willing that any should perish, 2Pet.3:9.

Notes to the 4 Graces; for mortal sins.
1) All Grace: One’s previously committed sins are “in His forbearance”, Rom.3:25, until one is redeemed,
Rom.3:25/ Eph.1:13,14, for #1 imputed righteousness precedes #2 forensic justification (redemption), as
#1 The Day of Salvation precedes #2 The Day of Redemption. All-grace is not by measure.
2) Abundant Grace is the “good measure”, Luk.6:38, which is then given seven shakes, to be “shaken together”,
Luk.6:38, to provide for the Diminishing Grace of the first Septum of 7 Heavens. The “good measure” is then
“pressed down”, Luk.6:38, twice, 1) Mat.13:33 & 2) Gen.18:6, so that “three measures” of grace are indicated,
and so the leaven of sin, Mar.8:15/ 1Cor.5:8, is overcome by the leaven of grace, Mat.13:33/ Lev.7:13.
3) Abounding Grace, “pressed down” the first time.
4) Sufficient Grace, “pressed down” the second time.
Each of these measures are “shaken together” seven times, according to Diminishing Grace.
There is also the possibility of Exceeding Grace, which is grace that is “running over”, Luk.6:38,
beyond each of the three measures of grace (meal, Mat.13:33/ Gen.18:6).

The Cost of the Graces.
The verse, “by His stripes we are healed” Isa.53:5 applies thus, as we count the cost of the vicarious atonement;
1) The Lord’s “sweat like great drops of blood”, Luk.22:44, applies to All Grace (for previous sins, Rom.3:25).
2) The Lord’s crown of thorns applies to Abundant Grace (70x7=490 sins, which is according to diminishing grace,
by ascending course; 70x7,6,5,4,3,2,1).
3) The Lord’s scourging (beaten with 10 strikes, Mat.26:67, one for each commandment; scourged with lashes
40-1=49; struck 1 time with a reed, Mat:27:30, for scribal error) of 49 lashes applies to Abounding Grace
(7x7=49 sins, which is according to diminishing grace, by ascending course, 7x7,6,5,4,3,2,1).
4) The Lord’s crucifixion (4 nails, and the triple penetration of the spear; side, pericardial sac (contains the
translucent pericardial fluid, which is like “water”, Joh.19:34, and heart; 4+3=7) applies to Sufficient Grace
(for 7 sins, which is according to diminishing grace, by ascending course, 7,6,5,4,3,2,1).
5) The Lord’s hair pulled out from His beard when He was beaten, Isa.50:6/Mar.14:65, applies to Exceeding Grace
(if given).

We are enabled by grace, through the Power of the Holy Spirit, to “work out our own salvation”, Php.2:13,13, as we spiritually ascend.

Grace is by measure, Eph.4:7, which is the same measure whether it is the Supplicative Grace of the First Witness, or the Imputed Grace of the Second Witness. Jesus came not “to destroy but to fulfill”the Law and the Prophets, Mat.5:17, by leaving the first covenant intact, while stablishing the second covenant. In fulfilling the Hebrew scripture which foretold the Messiah, Jesus came so that believers “may have life,and that they may have it more abundantly”, Joh.10:10, by which rubric the first 2 of the Four Graces are indicated, 2Co.9:8,14, as follows. Grace is given at the beginning of 1) The Day of Salvation, by the gift of the Holy Spirit, which separates the soul from the world, and is as the water of Life, which makes the soul clean from the sinful pollutions of the world, 2Pe.2:20. Grace is further given at the beginning of 2) The Day of Redemption, and is applied retroactively to cover the uptake cost of the 1st Day, Act.8:18/ Act.19:6/ 1Ti.5:22/ 1Ti.2:8. If an ascendant has made it to the 2nd Day, then usually the measure for the 1st Day has not been exceeded, Rom.3:26 “might be”. If it has been exceeded, then the rules for Exceeding Grace may be applied. If the 1st Day’s measure of grace has been exceeded, and exceeding grace was not given, or the time of Day has expired, then the cost of the 1st Day could be required of the descendant, Mat.25:9/ 2Pet.2:20/ Heb.6:8. Fortunately, the 1st Day’s measure of grace is, in fact, abundant, and the Holy Spirit does increasingly work within the workers to motivate them to be more careful and more effective in tending to the coming harvest.

There is Assurance of Salvation, for God is true. However, there is no Eternal Security, either while incarnate, Heb.6:4-8, or thereafter, Psa.82:6,7. Yet, for those who have lost their salvation, there may be hope of renewal, as given by Elihu in the Book of Job.
Job 33:28 He will redeem his soul from going down to the Pit, And his life shall see the light.
Job 33:29 "Behold, God works all these things, Twice, in fact, three times with a man,
Job 33:30 To bring back his soul from the Pit, That he may be enlightened with the light of life.
Here we see in verse 28 that God provides initial salvation. In verse 30, we see that God brings a man’s soul back from the pit, unto the Life of salvation. The fact that a man’s soul comes back to salvation means that the man was previously saved. So, there is hope for the lost, even though in the NT we find that it is impossible to renew again unto repentance those who have fallen away, Heb.6:4-6.The return to salvation is nevertheless still possible, for Jesus said that “all things are possible to him who believes”, Mar.9:23. More importantly, Jesus also said that “with God all things are possible”, Mat.19:26. This situation appears perplexing, but the solution has to do with the fact that the word “repentance” is used, and because it is understood from the text that is is impossible for man to renew them to repentance. Biblical repentance is a gift of God, Rom.2:4/ 2Ti.2:5, and so it is not only of those who are repentant. Therefore, while it is impossible for one of the brethren to lead one who has fallen away to be repentant, yet it is possible for God. If God leads one back to salvation in repentance, then the original salvation is renewed, such that the Son of God is not crucified again, and neither is He thereby put to open shame. A local church body might not accept such a one back, but salvation may indeed be renewed.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[Terraphim]

Errors for Post #140:
1) Misquote; Rev.11:11a “after the three-and-a-half days”
2) sp. caterpiller.

Terraphim said:
The Biblical expression of “a time and times and the dividing of time”, indicates the fact that the brethren of God must continue to suffer varying degrees of the worldly authority of Romanesque style government while we are still incarnate, with the knowledge that worldly government is increasingly overruled from the spiritual realm, from the kingdom of God, to the extent that human government will eventually be largely brought under the control of the united trilateral brethren, Dan.7:26,27.

Then Terraphim said:
2) When the time period of the Times of the Gentiles is fulfilled, Luk.21:24, it may be fulfilled by the prevalence of the unified trilateral brethren over worldly government, rather than by the establishment of a third temple, Rev.11:2.

Then Terraphim further said:
4) The government which began as the 1st NT Beast, the HRE/EU, Rev.13.5, may continue even though the souls of the servants of the Beast will suffer incarnate hell, Rev.19:20, as also will the servants of the 2nd NT Beast, the AAE, Rev.13:12. For those servants of the Beast who repent and believe, the prevalence of the united trilateral brethren would provide the framework for their glory and honor, such that they may have glory and honor to bring into the kingdom of God, Rev.21:24. For after the brethren prevail, the true Church that is upon His one shoulder, will then balance the government that is upon His other shoulder, Isa.9:6. This is the primary balance of power, which must be so, for the existence and continuity of true civilization in this precious and fragile world.


The Daist perspective concerning the fulfillment of the Times of the Gentiles differs from the superficial perspective. The Jews erred in believing that the Messiah would lead them to military victory over the Gentiles. Likewise, scripture does not specify that the fulfillment of the Times of the Gentiles has to be by a military victory during the Second Coming, Rev.19:20,21, and by the building of a third temple. God doesn’t need a temple in which to dwell, 1Ki.8:28. Godly world government does not require a third temple. Godly world government requires the prevalence of godly people who work towards true justice for peace. The laws and practices of worldly government are not oriented so, but rather they are oriented towards exploitation. This is generally done in a clever manner, to minimize unrest. The short-term minimization of unrest is not the same thing as building a lasting peace according to true justice. Those who work towards right doctrine and true justice are also working towards minimizing the need for militarism during the Second Coming.

Godly people who work towards justice for peace do not have to occupy positions of power in government, and most do not, and most should not. For example, Christianity is the judicial branch of the kingdom of God, Mat.19:28/ Joh.12:48/ Rev.19:11, but there are clear warnings about being judgmental, Mat.7:1/ Luk.6:37. That is because worldly government is not for the neophyte, and it is not for the majority of Christians. For the neophyte and the majority, the primary concern is the straightening of one’s ways for the purpose of spiritual ascension in the kingdom of God, wherein we serve in the spiritual government, Rev.2:26. Of course, one may support the godly people who serve in positions of power in the world. They may be supported because they are not servants of the Beast, which seeks to keep the people of God in captivity, but rather they work towards freeing the Church from worldly oppression. Their work is not easy. It is of foremost necessity in this work for them to have a true understanding of scripture, and to maintain their spiritual well-being by their steadfast devotion and integrity.

On the other hand, one may understandably take the stance that worldly government is too evil to allow oneself to become involved, even by taking on a burden of responsibility by voting, such that one may be completely free to be better able to work from the spiritual realm.

Either way, some good work may be done in the world. If one would look forwards to a true and righteous government resulting from the Second Coming, then one should begin by working towards a righteous Church in the present time, according to true doctrine, even if that means that one must work as an independent minister.

1Pe 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
1Pe 4:18 Now "IF THE RIGHTEOUS ONE IS SCARCELY SAVED, WHERE WILL THE UNGODLY AND THE SINNER APPEAR?" (capitalization indicates an OT quote)
1Pe 4:19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator.

Hasten the Vision of His Manifestation to you by doing good, 2Pe.2:11,12.

For “no one is good but One, that is God”, Mat.19:17, yet “we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them”, Eph.2:10. Therefore, “Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”, Rom.12:21.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[Terraphim]

In post #140 Terraphim said (with a few small corrections):

The Heaven of Heavens is the;
NEW JERUSALEM CITY OF GOD ETERNAL = 28 Foundations = 24 Heavens + 4 Hells,
which is composed of 4 Septums;
ADONAIS ELOLAMS ELOHIMS ELELYON = 28 Foundations/ 4 Septums = 7 Generations per Septum,
just as there are;
VISIBLE DAYS OF THE MOON PLUS DARK = 28 heavens, of the lunar cycle,
and as there are about;
25&1/2 PLUS 2&1/2 THOUSAND YEARS = 28 heavens, in solar years, of the axial precession cycle extended to metaphysical completion (round 25,772 up to 26,000 years, then add the 1,000 years of the Devil’s binding from 866-1866AD, and then add the 1,000 non-temporal years of the eternal millennial reign of Jesus Christ, such that there are 28,000 years; and then a day is as a thousand years, such that 28,000 years = 28 days, that is 28 Days, or 28 Heavens).

So, there are 28 spiritual Heavens, which reside upon 28 foundations. These are signified by 28 lunar heavens, and by 28 solar heavens. The solar heavens are described by the OT phrase “a time times and the dividing of times”, Dan.7:25, which compares to the NT phrase “three-and-a-half days”, Rev.11:11, etc.

The period of time of the axial precession is about 25&1/2 thousand years, which is “a time”; the 2 one thousand year periods are “times”, and the approximate rounding-up of the 25&1/2 to 26 thousand year period is 1/2 thousand years, which is “the dividing of time”, of Dan.7:25.

End quote.


The second part of the above quote discusses the Daist Equivalency Doctrine, which shows forth the equivalent aspects of the sun and moon, which God made to be a sign to mankind. My point in the post #140 was to set forth the four boldfaces of the capstone, that are the four aspects of the 28 Heavens, such that I could then further set forth the distribution of the four graces. I therefore did not then pursue a further discussion of the significance of the Equivalency Doctrine to mankind, as I now shall do.

In Western Christian tradition it is the common perspective for people to view that which is solar to be masculine, and that which is lunar to be feminine. God created the sun, earth, and moon system with certain characteristics which would usually be understood by the majority of people to be irrefutable evidence that there is a God who is the creator. First, there is the most outstanding fact that only one face of the moon has been visible throughout history. The exact synchronicity of the moon’s rotation to it’s orbit of the earth is clearly not coincidental. Second, there is the next most outstanding fact that from the surface of the earth, the moon appears to be the exact same size as the sun, as seen when there is a full eclipse of the sun by the moon, that is a full solar eclipse. The probability of either of these phenomena occurring by chance is very small, and the probability of both of them occurring by chance is almost nonexistent. This is obvious, Rom.1:20, as God intended by His creation.

What is not as obvious is the relation of the lunar cycle and the solar cycle, each of which result from an independent axis of the earth’s rotation. The 28 periods of the lunar cycle (of about29.5 days) results from the earth’s polar rotational axis. The 28 (metaphysically completed) periods of the solar cycle (of about 25,500 plus 2,500 years) results from the earth’s precession axis. The relation of these two cycles are not initially equivalent (when a day is as a thousand years), because the solar cycle is short by about 2,500 years, and the following is what is signified thereby.

The sun is related to the masculine, and the base estate of the soul of man is natural depravity in spiritual death (as it also is for women). Being for transgression cast down into mortal incarnation, a man’s soul no longer has the immortal Life of the spirit body, as the spirit body has been broken, Psa.44:19/ Jer.2:13, and the soul has been solitarily parted unto hell, before incarnation. The return to the Life of God entails that a man must be saved and then spiritually ascend unto the 4th estate, such that the regeneration of the Second Birth is completed by the resurrection of the spirit body within the physical bodies.The concurrent general resurrection takes about three-and-a-half years, that’s a time, times and half a time. So, in the base estate, a man is lacking his God, his spirit body, and his better half (so to speak), just as the solar cycle is lacking 1,000 + 1,000 + 500+ years. The 25,000 year solar cycle is a time, which is metaphysically completed by times and half a time, just as a man’s soul is spiritually completed by his spirit body in 3.5 years. In this process, three things are needed for a man’s soul, his subjection to Christ’s dominion, and the binding of Satan’s dominion, along with his other half. These three things compare to the non-temporal eternal millennial reign of Christ, the 1,000 year binding of Satan from 866AD to 1866AD, Rev.20:2, and the beloved double portion of the spirit body.

To elaborate on some details which are incidental to this discussion, the 1,000 year binding of Satan was through a pope’s decree concerning the use of torture given in 866AD, until the 1866AD birth of Karl Marx, who set about the process of deceiving and gathering Gog and Magog (China and Russia) to the battle of Armageddon, Rev.20:8/ Rev.16:16/ Eze.38,39. Armageddon is not same as the Last Battle, Rev.19:19. The First Resurrection (compared to the early harvest, of grain) is before 1866AD, (Rev.20:5b, which pertains to Rev.20:4c/ Rev.14:16), and the Second Resurrection (compared to the late harvest, of fruit) is after 1866AD, (Rev.14:19, where the blood of the grapes of wrath is from the resurrection of condemnation, Joh.5:29, which is for those who are spiritually resurrected, but then completely loose their salvation, and the blood of the grapes of wrath is not from those of the resurrection of life, which is the resurrection of the just and unjust, Act.24:15, who are the Two Witnesses; for the resurrection of condemnation, and the resurrection of Life for the just and unjust, the Two Witnesses, are both ongoing processes).

The 28 intervals of the lunar cycle is in itself complete, but without the sun’s light, it would be all darkness. So also, a woman cannot be Born Again without the love of God through a godly man. If lacking immediacy, for such purpose a minister stands true, or else one unknown. The face of the moon is always towards the earth, just as a godly woman maintains her faithfulness, for the integrity of the Life of her spirit body, and the life of her very soul, Rom.8:12.

End Part 1

 

[Terraphim]

Part 2

The Daist Equivalency Doctrine is not a doctrine of gender equity. There is nothing in scripture which may rightly be understood to be in favor of gender equality. I know the relevant verses, and how they are misinterpreted. The Daist Equivalency Doctrine is a doctrine of gender unity. There is “neither male nor female” as individuals, in Christ Jesus, Gal.3:28, rather there is “male and female” in spiritual unity in the Lord, Mat.19:4-6/ Eph.5:31,32. Do not be deceived by the false freedom of the world, for it is the freedom of death, 2Pet.2:9.

Women are to be silent in Church services, with the understandable exceptions of child care, singing, responding to legitimate questions, an occasional women’s ministry report, and during an emergency situation. Women are not allowed to administer the first-work rites, or to hold positions of authority in the Church. If a position of authority in the world is held by a woman, it is not meritorious in the kingdom of heaven. Modesty of feminine dress and apparel is proper for social occasions, but may be modified to suit an appropriate work environment, so long as a clear gender distinction is made. Competitive behavior towards men, and engaging in clearly masculine occupations, is unwell. A woman must repent even of working for money for herself, rather than for the love of God through man, 1Co.11:3. An exception to these rules may occur when a situation arises in which necessity, such as environmental adversity, or the lack of an available and willing man, requires a woman to act in a manner which is ordinarily prohibited. God knows, and Joshua Judges Ruth.

We are clearly admonished by the word of God, “You shall not permit a sorceress to live.”, Exo.22:18. A sorceress, an enchantress, a witch, are all words which indicate one thing in regards to men, which is the intent to be in control of, or to dominate men, even as whores seek to entice, use, and control men, to wrongfully take their money. Women who act towards men in this manner are part of the Great Whore of Babylon, who rides the 1st and 2nd Beast. Men of God are not to permit such perversely minded women to Live the Life in the Spirit through them, 1Co.11:3. It is better to cast them out to be destroyed by Satan, even if she is as your right eye or your right hand, Mat.5:29,30. A woman must repent even of working for money for herself, rather than for the love of God in man. Life in the Spirit is very precious, and one must safegaurd it, whether one is a man or a woman. It is out of love that one is properly admonished.

However, we are not to disparage women who are part of the Great Whore, as we understand the policy of the NT Beasts, which is to exploit women for the purpose of overcoming Gog and Magog, which is done according to the foreknowledge of God, as expressed in scripture. We are, rather than being disparaging, to provide opportunity for worldly women to properly understand the gospel of liberty in Christ, and to repent from their former mentality and behavior, such that they may be saved and enter the Life, Joh.4:7-9/ Joh.8:11.

This does not mean that because we allow worldly people into the congregation, that women may set up a church coven. Rather, we cause such co_ven_s to become convents, as the repentant women kneel n before the cross t to make their confession of faith to God. In the pursuit of such a goal, it may even be necessary for godly men to leave behind the hypocritical church, to begin an independent ministry, 2Ti.3:5.

In all relations regarding women, men are to lift up holy hands in prayer, while letting go of wrath and doubting, 1Ti.2:8, rather than using force. This prohibits also the discipline of a girl by a man. Likewise, a woman must not use corporal punishment on a boy. An incident which requires the corporal punishment of a child, must be agreed upon by both parents before being administered. For these reasons, the single parenting of an opposite gender child may be dealt with by the assignment of a same gender Godparent, with the responsibilities thereof, as provided by the Church.

Of course, anything having to do with children in the Church will have the minions of the Great Whore desiring to do whatever foul harm they may, for what whores hate the most is any up and coming competition, which is why they work so hard to enforce the corruption of the children by employing the Beast. Eventually however, they will all be overcome, along with the damage that they do to Christian children’s development and home life. The psycho-sorcerers are especially untrustworthy in this regard, as are the professionals, and society people in general. Friendship with the world is enmity with God, Jas.4:4. They need to have faith and repent, not just in word but in deed. Even so, they are encouraged to do what good that they may, in whatever position they find themselves. In His time, He makes all things wonderful, in His time. Endure to the end.

Be blessed, be well.