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why didn't God stop the Nazis?

In my understanding murder and kill is not necessarily the same thing.
 
that is correct. murder isn't killing if god calls it a judgement. he has the right to be God and define sin.
 
then what did jesus mean by these commands
the man that sheds blood shall have his blood shed?


there are repeats of all events along the eternity but with interchange of the roles of the souls, because the eternity has a beginning and an end, it is an infinitely revolving circle/cycle so that with each rotation/repeat the roles of the souls are interchanged with one step forward, so: i will be you, you will be me, he will be you, and in general every one will be any other, but this will occur along the subsequent repeats/circles of the eternity which means after thousands of thousands of years unto the infinity of (the) time, that's why Jesus Christ said:

Matthew 7:1-12 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge(viz. in the present eternity), ye shall be judged(viz. in the subsequent repeats of the eternity): and with what measure ye mete(viz. in the current eternity), it shall be measured to you again(viz. in the successive repeats of the eternity)..... Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you(viz. in the subsequent repeats of the eternity), do ye even so to them(viz. now in this eternity): for this is the law and the prophets."

the same was also prophesied by Solomon:

Ecclesiastes 1:9-11 "The thing that hath been(viz. in this eternity), it is that which shall be(viz. in the subsequent eternity); and that which is done(viz. in the current eternity) is that which shall be done(viz. in the successive eternity): and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time(viz. in the previous rotations/repeats of the eternity), which was before us(i.e. before the current eternity). There is no remembrance of former things(viz. there is no remembrance of the things that occurred in the previous eternities); neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after(i.e. neither shall there be any remembrance of the things which will occur during the subsequent eternities with the souls in the sequential interchanges of their roles/characters)."

and therefore God said:

Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."


so if god cant kill in any form then why would he tempt or command men to sin for him?

and lights and darkness in genesis is. it isnt always a literal rendering its also the idea of Light as god moving it to his will. and darkness not moving it all..

why would men fear god if he didn't kill annais and saphira in judgment? satan cant kill us unless we do that

revalation shows where god kills all the enemies of jersusalem in one fiery shot? who caused the flood? satan or God. that killed.


bear in mind that there was no enough pronounced difference between God and satan in the time before the New Testament, just try to remember where in the old testament is shown the difference between God and satan?!, but there was principally "God" without satan (to) been accounted/pointed out for something distinct from God, but it was rather shown as a part of God, and this is so because the devil had an inner/domestic power in the time before the New Testament which of course has been destroyed on the part of God and Jesus at Their then oncoming

John 14:30 "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world(i.e. the wicked) cometh, and hath nothing in me.",

John 12:31-32 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out(viz. now the whole inner/domestic power of satan will permanently be destroyed). And I, if(i.e. and when) I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.",

Matthew 27:50-56 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom(viz. all inimical/pernicious ordinances in God's covenant/testament has been annulled); and the earth did quake(viz. the powers did shake), and the rocks rent(viz. and the whole inner/domestic power of satan has permanently been removed/destroyed); And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children."

moreover God Himself did never give of His Own Will ordinances for infliction of hurt/harm to humans, which can be seen here:

Mark 10:5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.",

John 8:3-11 "the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not(viz. in order to remind them about the Ten Commandments written with the Finger of God). So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her(viz. thus you can violate the Ten Commandments). And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground(viz. and He again continues to remind them about the Ten Commandments written with the Finger of God, one of which is: "Thou shalt not kill."). And they which heard it(i.e. and then they understood what exactly He alluded, and), being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more(viz. and it would be good if you also keep the Ten Commandments).",

Colossians 2:14-15 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances(i.e. annulling the human/satanic part of the ordinances in God's covenant/testament) that was against us(i.e. which was prejudicial against the people), which was contrary to us(i.e. which was adverse to us), and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers(i.e. having denounced the unrighteous spiritual/religious systems and powers), he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.",

Matthew 5:38-48 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek(i.e. but if some human is evil to you), turn to him the other also(i.e. be only Good to it). And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat(i.e. and if some human wants to receive a good(-ness) from you), let him have thy cloak also(i.e. give it the best of you). And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile(i.e. and if any human wants from you to do/make a good together with it), go with him twain(i.e. go with it giving the best of you). Give to him that asketh thee(i.e. give the good things which you can provide to the human who demands them from you), and from him that would borrow of thee(viz. good things) turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun(i.e. His benediction/grace) to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain(i.e. purification) on the just(i.e. on the clerics/believers) and on the unjust(i.e. and on the infidel people). For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans(i.e. the unrighteous people) the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans(i.e. the unrighteous people) so? Be ye therefore perfect(i.e. perfectly loving/good), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

so this shows that the true God did never do evil, but the murderer all the time was satan

John 8:41-44 "Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Blessings
 
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What ever God does is Godly...


Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luk_12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
 
I would agree that God wanted the Nazi leaders to butcher 6-7 million Jews, over 20 million Russians, and many others. God wanted Stalin to do the red purge. Every sin that happens, God wants it to happen.

If God did not want it to happen, he could have stopped it. If God is not all powerful, then he is not God.

I could mention that all men are evil and deserve Gods wrath, but Hitler also killed Christians. So then, God wanted Christians to die also.

The whole subject reminds me of Revelation 6...
Rev 6:9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And there was given them to each one a white robe; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little time, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, who should be killed even as they were, should have fulfilled their course.

The righteous who are slain for the word of God cry out for vengeance. They want to see God judge.

We would never see the righteous judgement of God upon sin, unless sin existed. Would we really know how much God hates sin, if he saves everyone? Would we know Gods wrath upon sin if sin never existed? I guess we would know that God could somehow hypothetically judge evil, but for God to actually manifest his glory in judging evil, evil has to come into existence.

God does not cooperate in evil, God does not assist evil people, actually we are all evil enough, God does not have to assist evil. However, at times, he refuses to restrain evil. I think of Romans 1 when it says "and God gave them over." The text does not say "and God joined them in their evil," but it does mention that he gave evil men over to their own evil. And then he judges them.

As for me, it seems arrogant to assume that I did not deserve God's judgement. I was a rebel and a sinner. If I am not being judged, if God does not condemn me, it is only by his mercy.


If God is omniscient and omnipotent, why didn't He kill the Nazi leaders?
He killed Annanias and Saphira, so we know he can do it when he chooses to.

Even if you accept the idea that he didn't care that 5-6 million Jews were systematically slaughtered because they didn't accept Jesus, millions of Russian Orthodox believers also died of starvation and exposure.

By striking dead Hitler and a few other Nazi leaders He could have prevented most of the suffering that took place during WWII.

Why didn't He?
 
I would say allowed it, not wanted it. he set the curse up so that men would come to him. careful there. MONDAR you are getting close to saying that God wants babies aborted. He allows freewill so that we can love him freely. He makes no one love him.

I could get into the sages and Ramban's idea of cursed men found in Genesis that sounds close to Calvinism. However, I wont.
 
I would say allowed it, not wanted it. he set the curse up so that men would come to him. careful there. MONDAR you are getting close to saying that God wants babies aborted. He allows freewill so that we can love him freely. He makes no one love him.

I could get into the sages and Ramban's idea of cursed men found in Genesis that sounds close to Calvinism. However, I wont.

If I were Jewish I think I would have to be a Karaite from what I have gathered so far. The Torah is the inspired word of God. But the Talmud (oral tradition) and the writings of Ramban are not. If I have learned correctly the Talmud written by the Rabbis progressively over time even tells a man how to put on his shoes, right shoe but don't tie it, left shoe, etc.

Is this correct, Jason?
 
i don't buy all of the Talmud but you must answer this issues

where in the tanach does it say before its even mentioned these things
book of life?
the idea of God dwelling in the thick clouds?
the implied torah being done by gentiles? not all of it but a lot of it.
 
How does the fact that the Bible promises wars and other horrors reconcile with Matt 6:26, where Jesus says we shouldn't worry because God looks after the needs of the birds of the air and people are worth much more than they?

I think there is an incorrect theology in the minds of many Christians: that God will protect them from bad things happening to them.
Personally I think the odds of my being killed in a car wreck by a drunk driver are the same as those of a non-believer.
 
How does the fact that the Bible promises wars and other horrors reconcile with Matt 6:26, where Jesus says we shouldn't worry because God looks after the needs of the birds of the air and people are worth much more than they?

I think there is an incorrect theology in the minds of many Christians: that God will protect them from bad things happening to them.
Personally I think the odds of my being killed in a car wreck by a drunk driver are the same as those of a non-believer.

There is a distinction between the way the world is going and the course - whatever it may be - that the Lord Jesus has set for those whom He has redeemed by His blood.
 
I think there is an incorrect theology in the minds of many Christians: that God will protect them from bad things happening to them.
In twenty-six years of being a Christian I know God will not stop bad things from happening to his people. But, what I also know is there is nothing bad that can stop God's will for my life. Which I think is what farouk was driving at.

When bad things happen it seems like the pursuit of our hopes and dreams and plans have come to a crashing halt. Which may be true for our plans. But it is impossible that bad things can circumvent the good that God wants to do in the believer's life whose heart is steadfastly committed to his plans.

God told the prophet to say this to the people of Judah when they were going to be carried off into captivity:

"10 Tell the righteous it will be well with them,for they will enjoy the fruit of their deeds." (Isaiah 3:10 NIV1984)

This didn't mean they weren't going to suffer in some way through what was happening. Many of the righteous did go into captivity with everybody else in Judah. What it means is God is there when we are suffering, making the suffering bearable and making a way of escape from the suffering despite the suffering. Those who cooperate with the sufferings God allows in this life are the one's who are blessed of God and endure those sufferings. Those who resist are the one's who don't enjoy the grace of God in those sufferings. God told Judah to go willingly into captivity and not resist. Those who resisted were destroyed. It did in fact go well with the righteous.
 
the murderer is the devil, not God

John 8:41-44 "Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Blessings
God killed them in judgement, they were not murdered.
 
When people accuse God of being unfair Romans 9:15-21 comes to mind.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
 
If God is omniscient and omnipotent, why didn't He kill the Nazi leaders?
He killed Annanias and Saphira, so we know he can do it when he chooses to.

Even if you accept the idea that he didn't care that 5-6 million Jews were systematically slaughtered because they didn't accept Jesus, millions of Russian Orthodox believers also died of starvation and exposure.

By striking dead Hitler and a few other Nazi leaders He could have prevented most of the suffering that took place during WWII.

Why didn't He?




because tribulation and terrible times are still coming, and in Gods mercy He is still giving humanity time to repent and turn from sin
 
So when man opens the doors to satan, and he kills steals and destroys, its Gods fault?
When God shows His mercy and love in the gift of His Son, and man rejects that love and mercy, then evil comes upon him, thats Gods fault?
When God gives free pardon from all sin and a eternal place of rest in His Love, and man rejects it, then its Gods fault that man ends up in a place of no love and no mercy?
We have allowed much evil in our own country, if God removes His hand of protection from us, we will see this evil here as well. But dont tell me "its Gods fault"
 
If God is omniscient and omnipotent, why didn't He kill the Nazi leaders? . . .

For what it's worth:

Haven't heard of any Nazi leaders who are still around.

I don't believe the Nazi leaders themselves killed very many ppl; it was regular folk, like you and me.

Maybe God should have stuck to creating rocks. Beings with free will are complicated. Give them a chance, and poof, there's hell.

He promised no more floods; was He wrong?

We should be learning from that experience; the way the world is today, there seems to be no end to this. A good deal of this is up to us.

With all His omniscience and omnipotence, God is love.
There are no easy answers to the problem of evil.
While bad things happen to ppl as a result of the way He structured the universe, He mitigates the harm: Adam sinned and He sent Himself as Jesus.
Obviously God did not cause WW II etc.
One has to believe that He permitted them for a good to happen,
a good which includes free will and a creation that has its natural laws and processes,
a good that may never be clear to us.
 
For one thing, allowing the horrors that were done to the Jewish people convinced the West to advocate for the reestablishment of Israel as a nation. That was a partial fulfillment of the prophecy in Ezekiel 37-39, particularly the "dry bones" prophecy. Concerning the holocaust, I know that there are those who would read this a punishment. But I would regarded that an intolerable affront not only to the Jewish people, but to their God, who is also ours. It is impossible that the Holocaust was a punishment for sins. Certainly there were sins among the doomed, but sin sufficient to justify the extermination of six million martyrs with such unspeakable cruelty? Hardly.

I sometimes wonder who has more faith, the heretic who cannot accept the existence of God after the holocaust -- or Sandy Hook, The Thailand tsunami, Katrina, Hiroshima -- or the believer who attributes such horrors to God's appetite for punishment. The heretic believes that if there is a God, He must be compassionate, but he cannot resolve the holocaust with that belief, not without accepting that He is also just, and works in ways so far and away above our understanding that we cannot begin to comprehend. The believer on the other hand, be he Jew or Christian, has lost his faith in compassion, and therefore cannot even begin to consider God's justice or mystery. The alternative to retribution for Jewish sins may be unfathomable, but that retribution approach is an unbearable affront to the Jewish nation.

In our individual lives and in our view of history, we have a choice concerning how we wish to relate to God. We can see Him as that Big Meany in the Sky and interpret accordingly. Or we can see a deep relationship happening between God and man that God Himself wants so fully that He died to achieve it -- a relationshp we cannot always fathom, but believe in with unalterable faith. The perfect example of the latter approach is complete lack of understanding, perhaps combined with anger as well, as to why the holocaust happened, but nonetheless having absolute faith that it served God's purpose.
 
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For one thing, allowing the horrors that were done to the Jewish people convinced the West to advocate for the reestablishment of Israel as a nation. That was a partial fulfillment of the prophecy in Ezekiel 37-39, particularly the "dry bones" prophecy. Concerning the holocaust, I know that there are those who would read this a punishment. But I would regarded that an intolerable affront not only to the Jewish people, but to their God, who is also ours. It is impossible that the Holocaust was a punishment for sins. Certainly there were sins among the doomed, but sin sufficient to justify the extermination of six million martyrs with such unspeakable cruelty? Hardly.

I sometimes wonder who has more faith, the heretic who cannot accept the existence of God after the holocaust -- or Sandy Hook, The Thailand tsunami, Katrina, Hiroshima -- or the believer who attributes such horrors to God's appetite for punishment. The heretic believes that if there is a God, He must be compassionate, but he cannot resolve the holocaust with that belief, not without accepting that He is also just, and works in ways so far and away above our understanding that we cannot begin to comprehend. The believer on the other hand, be he Jew or Christian, has lost his faith in compassion, and therefore cannot even begin to consider God's justice or mystery. The alternative to retribution for Jewish sins may be unfathomable, but that retribution approach is an unbearable affront to the Jewish nation.

In our individual lives and in our view of history, we have a choice concerning how we wish to relate to God. We can see Him as that Big Meany in the Sky and interpret accordingly. Or we can see a deep relationship happening between God and man that God Himself wants so fully that He died to achieve it -- a relationshp we cannot always fathom, but believe in with unalterable faith. The perfect example of the latter approach is complete lack of understanding, perhaps combined with anger as well, as to why the holocaust happened, but nonetheless having absolute faith that it served God's purpose.

Good post number! and thanks for your response on the other thread as well. I know we dont always agree, but we seem to agree on much of the big issues? blessings -Mitspa
 
For what it's worth:

Haven't heard of any Nazi leaders who are still around.

I don't believe the Nazi leaders themselves killed very many ppl; it was regular folk, like you and me.

Maybe God should have stuck to creating rocks. Beings with free will are complicated. Give them a chance, and poof, there's hell.

He promised no more floods; was He wrong?

We should be learning from that experience; the way the world is today, there seems to be no end to this. A good deal of this is up to us.

With all His omniscience and omnipotence, God is love.
There are no easy answers to the problem of evil.
While bad things happen to ppl as a result of the way He structured the universe, He mitigates the harm: Adam sinned and He sent Himself as Jesus.
Obviously God did not cause WW II etc.
One has to believe that He permitted them for a good to happen,
a good which includes free will and a creation that has its natural laws and processes,
a good that may never be clear to us.




actually most of the nazi scientist where brought to the United States under a secret code name called project paperclip, google it! they have done wonders for our society (said with complete sarcasm)
 
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If God is omniscient and omnipotent, why didn't He kill the Nazi leaders?
He killed Annanias and Saphira, so we know he can do it when he chooses to.

Even if you accept the idea that he didn't care that 5-6 million Jews were systematically slaughtered because they didn't accept Jesus, millions of Russian Orthodox believers also died of starvation and exposure.

By striking dead Hitler and a few other Nazi leaders He could have prevented most of the suffering that took place during WWII.

Why didn't He?

I guess you could also ask why didn't the Americans stop them instead of hiring them


After WWII ended in 1945, victorious Russian and American intelligence teams began a treasure hunt throughout occupied Germany for military and scientific booty. They were looking for things like new rocket and aircraft designs, medicines, and electronics. But they were also hunting down the most precious "spoils" of all: the scientists whose work had nearly won the war for Germany. The engineers and intelligence officers of the Nazi War Machine.
The U.S. Military rounded up Nazi scientists and brought them to America. It had originally intended merely to debrief them and send them back to Germany. But when it realized the extent of the scientists knowledge and expertise, the War Department decided it would be a waste to send the scientists home. Following the discovery of flying discs (foo fighters), particle/laser beam weaponry in German military bases, the War Department decided that NASA and the CIA must control this technology, and the Nazi engineers that had worked on this technology.
There was only one problem: it was illegal. U.S. law explicitly prohibited Nazi officials from immigrating to America--and as many as three-quarters of the scientists in question had been committed Nazis.
Data-Points:

Convinced that German scientists could help America's postwar efforts, President Harry Truman agreed in September 1946 to authorize "Project Paperclip," a program to bring selected German scientists to work on America's behalf during the "Cold War"
However, Truman expressly excluded anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi party and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Naziism or militarism."
The War Department's Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) conducted background investigations of the scientists. In February 1947, JIOA Director Bosquet Wev submitted the first set of scientists' dossiers to the State and Justice Departments for review.
The Dossiers were damning. Samauel Klaus, the State Departments representative on the JIOA board, claimed that all the scientists in this first batch were "ardent Nazis." Their visa requests were denied.
Wev was furious. He wrote a memo warning that "the best interests of the United States have been subjugated to the efforts expended in 'beating a dead Nazi horse.'" He also declared that the return of these scientists to Germany, where they could be exploited by America's enemies, presented a "far greater security threat to this country than any former Nazi affiliations which they may have had or even any Nazi sympathies that they may still have."
When the JIOA formed to investigate the backgrounds and form dossiers on the Nazis, the Nazi Intelligence leader Reinhard Gehlen met with the CIA director Allen Dulles. Dulles and Gehlen hit it off immediatly. Gehlen was a master spy for the Nazis and had infiltrated Russia with his vast Nazi Intelligence network. Dulles promised Gehlen that his Intelligence unit was safe in the CIA.
Apparently, Wev decided to sidestep the problem. Dulles had the scientists dossier's re-written to eliminate incriminating evidence. As promised, Allen Dulles delivered the Nazi Intelligence unit to the CIA, which later opened many umbrella projects stemming from Nazi mad research. (MK-ULTRA / ARTICHOKE, OPERATION MIDNIGHT CLIMAX)
Military Intelligence "cleansed" the files of Nazi references. By 1955, more than 760 German scientists had been granted citizenship in the U.S. and given prominent positions in the American scientific community. Many had been longtime members of the Nazi party and the Gestapo, had conducted experiments on humans at concentration camps, had used slave labor, and had committed other war crimes.
In a 1985 expose in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Linda Hunt wrote that she had examined more than 130 reports on Project Paperclip subjects--and every one "had been changed to eliminate the security threat classification."
 
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