Why do feel we have to market salvation as free? What are we really appealing to in a man?

[Dorothy Mae]

If I need to sum up, what the verses above just said.

Christ laying HIs life down for us ( the preaching of the cross) are the witness that the Father sent Him. ( to save us from the death He bore for us) and He finished the works by rising from the dead to life, for us.

We do not have that witness in ourselves ( have not received His testimony) if we do not believe the word of Christ, how He had to die for us, to stop us dying ( in sin by not believing in Him) and man does not go to Him to have life.

Christ testifies He knows no love of God is in man, because He came in the Fathers name and they do not believe in Him, because they instead believe people who came in their own name only ( speaking their own words which save nobody, and receiving that testimony of man instead of God only)



1 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

It’s sad to read of the Christians focusing solely on what they get. The narcissism of the world is also in the church.

It’s sad because when they stand before Jesus, they’ll have built only wood, hay and stubble. No gold, no precious stones, nothing they gave Him….just loving the free gift they got….sad!!

 

[Jethro Bodine]

What do YOU tell those who struggle forgiving others??

I would tell CHRISTIANS this...

2 Peter 1:9
9But whoever lacks these traits is nearsighted to the point of blindness, having forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.

The remedy for CHRISTIANS not forgiving others is they need to be reminded of the great load of guilt that they themselves have been forgiven...FOR FREE, and to reciprocate that same forgiveness to others.

Colossians 3:13
13Bear with one another and forgive any complaint you may have against someone else. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.


Unbelievers living in their unchanged, unconverted, habitual, willing lives of sin need to be told that they can learn to forgive by experiencing God's forgiveness for their wrongs. And from the forgiveness/salvation they receive they can then forgive as God has forgiven them.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It is a personally insulting question that you apparently do not see. You attack the whole of my theology, not even in discussion, in order to insult. The answer requires a personal defense which is true in the ad hominem attack.

I could demonstrate it by using the same on you but I refuse to employ the personal attack. Best move on.

Just tell me, what's free in your theology?
(I still have other posts of yours to read, so bear with me if you've explained it.)

 

[Dorothy Mae]

James cant say anything other than what we are told.

Pretty sure we aren’t tons what he knew looking at what people say.

James spoke of the words we have for faith, what we saw in Abraham and the other examples God has given to believe in. It is not a difficult concept to understand,. We cannot add or take from scripture, this is very strict, and everybody who speaks their own words, assumes they can speak greater than Gods words that save us, and they think thy are saving us then ?

Those look very much like your words.

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Notice they had to DO something. They had to obey.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I would tell CHRISTIANS this...

2 Peter 1:9
9But whoever lacks these traits is nearsighted to the point of blindness, having forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.

The remedy for CHRISTIANS not forgiving others is they need to be reminded of the great load of guilt that they themselves have been forgiven...FOR FREE, and to reciprocate that same forgiveness to others.

Colossians 3:13
13Bear with one another and forgive any complaint you may have against someone else. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.


Unbelievers living in their unchanged, unconverted, habitual, willing lives of sin need to be told that they can learn to forgive by experiencing God's forgiveness for their wrongs. And from the forgiveness/salvation they receive they can then forgive as God has forgiven them.

So you bonk people over the head with the Bible but refuse to apply your theology (which isn’t scripture) to them telling them that since they haven’t forgiven, they ARENT YET forgiven?

That is not what you said. You said they would forgive, not need to be reminded. That’s the opposite of what you believe. You claim it’s automatic. Who needs to be reminded of that which is automatic.? You don’t really believe what you wrote do you?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Just tell me, what's free in your theology?
(I still have other posts of yours to read, so bear with me if you've explained it.)

What in your theology costs YOU something? Anything?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Thinking about blessings we don’t pay for and are nevertheless not free, I thought about two.

One is conceiving a child. Become pregnant, if natural, doesn’t cost either parent anything. The baby is completely free. If you debilere at home, that’s free too. But once the baby is yours, that free gift, the costs start. Not only are offspring not free, they are extraordinarily expensive.

The second is a loving partner. None of us pay for your bride or groom. We don’t live in a culture where a dowry is either paid or expected. Your sweetheart is free. However, every successful marriage partner knows having a marriage is very expensive.

Both children and a sweetheart might not always cost money, but cost us they will. We didn’t pay for either, but they nevertheless cost us.

 

[gordon777]

You forgive because you are ALREADY forgiven, for free, as a gift.

Luke 7:47
47Therefore I tell you, because her many sins have been forgiven, she has loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little.”

Righteousness first. Acts of righteousness, done as a result of first being made righteous as a gift of God's grace, second.

Gods grace is the Gospel, to believe in and be saved, preaching faith by Jesus Christ, to repent believe the Gospel which is to seek the Kingdom of Heaven and tis righteousness..


Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

 

[gordon777]

The person who doesn't walk the walk is showing they do not possess the free gift of righteousness, not failing to earn salvation.

So which is it, gordon777 , Dorothy Mae ? Is the habitually, unchanged, disobedient 'Christian' failing to earn salvation by not being good, or is he showing himself to not possess the gift of the righteousness of God?

Abraham was given a free gift of Isaac, ( told that only who comes from his own body will be his heir, as God spoke righteously to Abraham.)

Abraham believed Gods grace.

Abraham also was tested by God, if he will sacrifice that only begotten son, Abraham through faith offered him, and then faith is made perfect, as faith without works is dead being alone. ( faith is to always believe in Gods grace, whether by believing in the righteous word of God, or also through obeying His voice.)

What is not of faith, is to be disobedient to God. If Abraham did not offer Isaac, there would be no promises received ( of eternal life) and Christ also through faith had to lay His life down, or we had no life in us, and same for us, if we do not lose our life, we shall lose it.




Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,



Matthew 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.



John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.




Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

 

[gordon777]

Nope. We are built upon the foundation of Christ and in him, not Abraham, we find all we need to be accepted by God: redemption, justification and sanctification.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 (NASB)
30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
31 so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."

1 Corinthians 3:11 (NASB)
11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:3-7 (NASB)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

Read your quotes man ?

To be in Christ Jesus, is redemption.

Redemption from what?

Redemption through the blood of Christ for what ?

Firstly Romans 3 mentions about this before 1 Corinthians 1. We are reminded how the righteousness of God ( Jesus Christ becomes to us righteousness and redemption 1 Corinthians 1.) is not manifested, which was FIRST WITNESSED BVY THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.



Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


Galatians 4 continues, shows how all in the world were under the law ( and the prophets) until Christ redeems all from the law.

Hebrews 9, finishes about what we are redeemed from, recapping how the blood of the first covenant had not redeemed us, but that Christ redeems us from the transgressions that were under the first covenant...




Galatians 4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.


Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.



That is the foundation of Jesus Christ, joined to the foundation of the prophets and apostles, joined by Christ to those who were under the law, and Christ as testified, is the chief corner stone.

The prophets testified of the grace of Christ, if what was witnessed by the law and the prophets is not heard, how do you think you hear Christ, Tenchi.....





Ephesians 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.


1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

1 Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

 

[gordon777]

In any case, it's quite amazing to me to observe how, in the face of the many passages I cited to you that clearly, explicitly deny good works (ie. obedience to God) as necessary to salvation, that you make no concession to them whatever. It's as though, in your mind, God's word doesn't say what it says; you simply refuse to acknowledge its truth when it cramps your doctrinal style. You won't get at the Truth this way,

You give a verse that mentions we are saved by a free gift and not works of righteousness, we have done.

We are saved by a Holy calling, which is Jesus Christ bringing life and immortality to light through the Gospel.

Apostle Paul shows he is appointed a preacher, apostle and teacher of the Gentiles, as he believed and was persuaded Christ keeps that which Paul committed to Christ.

Acts describes that Paul was a chosen vessel to best the Lords name, and Paul immediately asks the Lord, what the Lord will have him to do.

Paul also shares with us that necessity is laid on Paul to preach this same Gospel of Christ. ( of suffering the loss of all things to win Christ.) which is not our own righteousness, but the faith of Jesus Christ, to know Him, the power of His resurrection, the fellowship of His sufferings, to attain to the resurrection of the dead...




2 Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

2 Timothy 1:11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Acts 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

1 Corinthians 9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

 

[gordon777]

Nowhere have I suggested born-again believers are free to disobey God. Quite the opposite. You're tilting at windmills here, gordon777.

Obedience is faith, because Abraham believed God, all nations are blessed in Abraham ( to Christ)

Abraham received Isaac as a figure ( of Christ) and James sums it up that without this faith of Abraham ( to obey the voice of Go) faith is dead, and our faith is dead too without believing in the figure that Abraham received form God of the promises for eternal life in Christ.




Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Hebrews 11;17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?





Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[gordon777]

Christ took on flesh, but he was not made in Abraham's likeness. Long before Abraham existed Christ existed (John 1:1-3), who is the Creator of All Things. Unlike Abraham, Jesus was the God-Man, perfectly in union with the Holy Spirit and God the Father, sharing in the deity of the Godhead. Abraham was just a sin-cursed man.

Of the fathers ( Abraham, Isaac, Jacob) Christ came, concerning the flesh. Christ is over all, and came of the same fathers, concerning the flesh.

Because it was told to those same fathers ( in the flesh) that in Isaac shall his seed be called. The children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The promise was that God will come, and Sarah shall have a son, and Rebecca also conceived by Isaac( to have Jacob.) and before Jacob or Esau had been born to do good or evil, the purpose of God stood, of election, that Esau is rejected and Jacob is through promise.


Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

Romans 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.



Essential testimony, as this explains why those same children of the flesh do not believe in being the children of the promise made first to Abraaham. ( how else is is testified Abraham is the father of us all?)

The one not born by promise was not a child of the free ( Jerusalem which is above, which is the mother of us all) because Esau was born after the flesh.

Now we, as Isaac was, are children of the free. ( receiving the promise of God which was made to ABRAHAM.)




Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

 

[gordon777]

You have knots scripturally that I haven't the time or desire to untangle for you. I will say this, though: I don't, as a born-again child of God "believe in the faith of Abraham." This is a nonsensical idea. I place my faith in Christ, not Abraham, for my salvation. Jesus is my Savior and Lord, not Abraham. There is only one Savior, gordon777, and Abraham ain't him. (John 14:6; Acts 4:12; 1 Timothy 2:5)

A born again believer cant reject the scriptures shown to them, and they can only acknowledge them.


Romans 4 shows Abraham is a father of circumcision to those of the circumcision, and to those who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham.Abraham, in this faith, is the father of us all.

Then they which are of faith, are blessed with faithful Abraham.

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

By faith, Abraham when tried, who had RECEIVED THE PROMISES, offered up his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.

Abraham accounts that God is able to raise him from the dead, and receives him as a figure)

We were reconciled ( redeemed) to God through God giving His Son for us.

This all manifests the love of God toward us, because that God sent His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON into the world, that we might live through Him..





Romans 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Galatians 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

 

[gordon777]

The Bible is very clear that saints may (and do) sin. (1 Corinthians 3:1-3; 5; 6; 11; Galatians 3:1-3; 5:13-16; Romans 7:14-25; 1 John 1:8-10; Hebrews 5:12-13, etc.)

Born again believers in Jesus Christ, ( Saints) are spiritual.

Carnal are not in the spirit. ( not Saints)

Carnal is natural man. ( no understanding in the Spirit.)

Saints believe it is testified ( in the Spirit it is revealed to them)




1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:




They who do, the works of the flesh, shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.

If you see that as Saints can and do, sinning, then you admit you are in the flesh, not in the Spirit. ( if they have not the Spirit they are none of HIs, as through the Spirit we mortify the deeds of the body, if you live after the flesh, saying we can sin, you shall die.)


Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.



Are you claiming that Apostle Paul is carnal ?

That would b your confusion, to think that Apostle Paul is teaching against people being hard to hear Gods word, as they are carnal, and not Spiritual, to be able to hear God as clearly Paul hears.

Paul of course can do the things of God, as God strengthens us, does he not strengthen you Tenchi , to even understand or acknowledge anything right about the Lord ?




Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Colossians 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.




Can you bring all things to the captivity of Christ, or you struggle to let satn take you into captivity ?




Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;






The blood of Christ cleans us from all sin, as Christ is faithful to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.




That is born again, to be cleansed from all sin, why do you think born again is cleansed, only to be filthy again ?


1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.




We are made partakers of Christ, if we old fast.

How do you read that as saying Saints are partakers of Christ, by not holding fast, being carnal, non understanding in the Spirit ( carnal) and sinning ?




Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

 

[gordon777]

2. Scripture clearly says God doesn’t tempt man so you are in error thinking He does.

Genesis 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

 

[gordon777]

True 'dat.
gordon777 , don't sermonize. Just talk to us in short, concise paragraphs.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[gordon777]

Some have called that strategy “Gish.” It’s a lecture, not a discussion.

2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[gordon777]

You are all rebuked by Gods word, if you think you can ignore all, others will see that folly manifested.


2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Fine, but could you shorten the oracles up a bit for us? Spread 'em out over several posts.