A born again believer cant reject the scriptures shown to them, and they can only acknowledge them.
Well, you appear to be an exception to your own assertion, here...
Romans 4 shows Abraham is a father of circumcision to those of the circumcision, and to those who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham.Abraham, in this faith, is the father of us all.
Then they which are of faith, are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Abraham is an OT parallel and precursor to the NT believer, both of whom have trusted in the promises of God, Abraham receiving the fulfillment of the promise of a son in Isaac and the post-Calvary person receiving the promise of salvation in The Son, Jesus Christ. In respect to his exercise of faith in the promise of God, and the result that Abraham became a "father of many nations," the Christian could say that Abraham is their "father." But this is essentially an acknowledgement of history, having no direct, immediate bearing on the relationship of the born-again believer to their Heavenly Father through Jesus.
Born again believers in Jesus Christ, ( Saints) are spiritual.
Carnal are not in the spirit. ( not Saints)
Carnal is natural man. ( no understanding in the Spirit.)
Yes. And? As I've pointed out to you before, the apostle Paul disagrees with you. The believers at Corinth were both carnal
and "babes
in Christ."
1 Corinthians 3:1-2 (NASB)
1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants IN CHRIST.
2 I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able,
Yes, carnality is of the "natural man," but it is simply false to assert that carnality cannot abide in a born-again person. Scripture and the daily experience of every honest believer reveals this is so.
Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Why in the world would Paul write this to people - saints of God - who were incapable of doing as he describes here? The only reason Paul would write the above to the believers at Ephesus was because they were doing the very things he prohibits. But this would mean, of course, that the saints in Ephesus were not sinlessly perfect and incapable of sin.
They who do, the works of the flesh, shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.
They who do so as a common, comfortable feature of everyday living, yes. But the carnal "babe in Christ," who is stumbling and struggling as they learn to walk with God, is not proving they are lost but that they are in the process of growth and change that the Bible describes of all believers. I've pointed out already in earlier posts where Scripture speaks of this process.
If you see that as Saints can and do, sinning, then you admit you are in the flesh, not in the Spirit.
See? You have simply ignored all the scriptural grounds I have offered to you showing this is wrong. You throw up other passages that seem to make your case for you while offering no reconciliation of the verses/passages I've given to you with the ones you've cited. Why? I think it's because you don't know how to reconcile them while holding to your unbiblical sinless perfection stuff. Essentially, you hold God's word in contradiction to itself.
Are you claiming that Apostle Paul is carnal ?
That would b your confusion, to think that Apostle Paul is teaching against people being hard to hear Gods word, as they are carnal, and not Spiritual, to be able to hear God as clearly Paul hears.
Paul of course can do the things of God, as God strengthens us, does he not strengthen you Tenchi , to even understand or acknowledge anything right about the Lord ?
Again, why did Paul write what he did to the Gentile churches if they were all filled with sinlessly-perfect people? Paul is crystal clear in each of his letters that he is writing to born-again, fellow children of God. Why, then, does he so often tell them to avoid sin? They are incapable of sin, are they not? Would you warn a man standing out in a field in the middle of the prairies to watch out for sharks in the water? Why would you? He's standing in a field, not the ocean. So, too, then, why write to people to avoid sin who are standing in perfect sinlessness? Doing so would make no more sense than in the first instance of the man in the field. This isn't that hard to understand,
gordon777...
That is born again, to be cleansed from all sin, why do you think born again is cleansed, only to be filthy again ?
I don't think a person is born-again only so that they might become filthy once more. This is a Strawman version of what I've written.
We are made partakers of Christ, if we old fast.
How do you read that as saying Saints are partakers of Christ, by not holding fast, being carnal, non understanding in the Spirit ( carnal) and sinning ?
What does it mean to be a partaker of Christ? It means the Christian will partake in his suffering, in his glory in the future heavenly Jerusalem, in his purposes in the World, saving the lost from hell, in his righteousness, power and peace, and so on. But, as I pointed out to you before, I can possess Christ and not benefit from all that he would impart to my life through the Spirit. By way of analogy, if I own a lawnmower but choose to trim my lawn with a pair of scissors, do I no longer own the lawnmower? No, I only cease to benefit from its power to cut my grass with much greater speed, evenness, and efficiency. So, too, with Christ. I can be one of his, but not benefiting from - or partaking of - him but snipping at the "grass" of my life with the "scissors" of self-effort and sinful compromise.
