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Why is contraception a deadly sin?

I have a qeustion on the birth control topic. Say someone were to have a vasectomy then become a Christian later on. By the standards of those who view BC as a sin would this person no longer be able to have relations with his wife without it being a sin or is there more to that than just making babies?
 
Okay, let's all just take a breather and cool down. Please stick to the topic and stop the name-calling, judgmentalism, and sarcasm. This is an interesting topic and I don't want to have to shut it down.

Has BC even been shown to be a sin yet as the topic states? Rob has just brought up a great point which really needs to be addressed.
 
My problem with not allowing birth control is one of logical implications.

A God who created the entire world, universe, planned the lineage of Christ, defeated armies in the OT and many other huge things. After this, God's will is stopped because of a milimeter of rubber, or pills that change the hormonal levels of a woman.
Oh no, God can do anything, except defeat the mighty mm of rubber to accomplish his will :o :-D I'm joking, but if God wants you to have a kid, then you will have a kid and if He doesn't, then you won't have a kid.

Your actions in using birth control may actually line up with God's plan at a given time. And if not, God can decide for you anyway. :-D
 
Highlander said:
By the way, it's very typical of a person on the religious right
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Johannes said:
Typical - bringing politics into the issue. That's because you have no other argument.

The liberal's only weapon is the lie.
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But when you began calling me a "liberal" earlier, YOU were not "bringing politics into the issue"?

I guess then, by your own rule of thumb, you had "no other argument"?

Don't look now, you've been (fill in the missing letters) -

I- - - - - D! :-D
 
An interinically evil act is one that the object of an act is violated. The object of relations is to have children. When we block this object with BC we are violating the nature of the act and are therefore commiting an offense against God since God intended a different end then the one we intend when using BC.
 
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An interinically evil act is one that the object of an act is violated. The object of relations is to have children. When we block this object with BC we are violating the nature of the act and are therefore commiting an offense against God since God intended a different end then the one we intend when using BC.
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So in your statement I suppose you would answer my earlier qeustion by saying it would be a sin for that person to lay with his own wife ever again? In case you missed it,

Rob said:
I have a qeustion on the birth control topic. Say someone were to have a vasectomy then become a Christian later on. By the standards of those who view BC as a sin would this person no longer be able to have relations with his wife without it being a sin or is there more to that than just making babies?
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Rob said:
I have a qeustion on the birth control topic. Say someone were to have a vasectomy then become a Christian later on. By the standards of those who view BC as a sin would this person no longer be able to have relations with his wife without it being a sin or is there more to that than just making babies?
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Rob,

I am Catholic (and am therefore against contraception) but I am pretty certain that God takes a person where they are the moment they become Christian. If someone has already had a vasectomy then that is the state they are in and there's nothing that can change that.

The situation might be compared to that of a married couple who are naturally infertile - they wouldn't be expected to refrain from 'relations' and in my opinion neither would a couple who are infertile through a pre-conversion vasectomy.

God Bless

Nick
 
The question that needs to be addressed is, at what point is a human being a human being? It has been cleared up some if not conclusive that genetics proves that a human being is a human being at conception. It is just stages of growth that the human being goes through from conception til death. So if we can keep an egg and sperm from making it's union then birth control is not deadly and can be used without consequence at least to the point of murdering the innocent.
 
quadding101 said:
The question that needs to be addressed is, at what point is a human being a human being? It has been cleared up some if not conclusive that genetics proves that a human being is a human being at conception. It is just stages of growth that the human being goes through from conception til death. So if we can keep an egg and sperm from making it's union then birth control is not deadly and can be used without consequence at least to the point of murdering the innocent.
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True, it may not be deadly, but what some argue is that it is limiting God, and not allowing Him to have full say in whether or not a human being is made. In other words, the issue is whether or not it's limiting God, I think....
Personally, I hold the philosophy that my parents do....Let go and let God. There are times when sexual intercourse can be performed and the wife cannot get pregnant. While some would argue that there is still a chance, I say, why not just leave that up to God? He created a natural time for a woman to not conceive, and if she still does at that time, then God must have a purpose.
-McQ 8-)
 
In Catholicism, "openess to children" is necessary in the couple for their marriage to be licit. The marital act is to be both unitive and procreative. The two become one, and become "co-workers" of the Love of God made tangible by new life. That does not however, mean that if they are in financial straits or the mother's health is poor that they must conceive. Women are not continuously fertile. God is a good designer. :wink: The couple may choose to abstain, or to follow the woman's biological patterns while remaining open to life. The problem with birth control, as I see it, is that it reduces the marital act to nothing more than pleasure instead of the couple making a complete gift of self to the other and an act of abandonment to the Will of God.
 
Just had to pick this bit up about 'being fruitful and multiplying' How do you think we are meant to do this now that we are under the new coventant?

Think about it, do you think we can still obey this command via the Holy Spirit? (The fruits of the spirit).
 
I once heard Doug Phillips say: "The Bible teaches that debt is a curse, and that children are a blessing. Why do we always apply for curses and reject God's blessings?"

I think there is more than just the. "be fruitful and multiply" command that applies here. Scripturally children are a heritage from the Lord. God says, blessed is the man who has his quiver full of them.

Why do we try and avoid children? The common complaint is money. The thing is, we have such an abundance, why not sacrifice and raise a blessing? And why not just trust God? If it is for health, then I understand that, but that is not the case for the majority.

The Lord builds His nation through families. As Christian families, why not have many beautiful blessings, raise them in the fear and admonition of the Lord, and be thankful when the raise up and call us blessed? What is so wrong with this picture that we would invent tools and medicine to avoid it? It is the false teaching in this world, and the lack of Christian world-view among believers. It also stems from the desire for women to be free physically and sexually, not bound to a home full of children and weighed down with that work load.

I challenge everyone to do a search on Margaret Sanger, a full history, and you can see what her motives were for starting planned parenthood.

Blessings
 
pretty impressive post, lovely :)

I very much agree with these sentiments:
What is so wrong with this picture that we would invent tools and medicine to avoid it? It is the false teaching in this world, and the lack of Christian world-view among believers. It also stems from the desire for women to be free physically and sexually, not bound to a home full of children and weighed down with that work load.
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..if only everyone would really sit down and give that some serious thought and prayer.
 
lovely said:
What is so wrong with this picture that we would invent tools and medicine to avoid it? It is the false teaching in this world, and the lack of Christian world-view among believers. It also stems from the desire for women to be free physically and sexually, not bound to a home full of children and weighed down with that work load.
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I think this is a far too simplistic view of both sexuality and raising a family.

lovely said:
I challenge everyone to do a search on Margaret Sanger, a full history, and you can see what her motives were for starting planned parenthood.
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Motives indeed:

Racism
And that's the third secret. Abortion is racist. It has been ever since Margaret Sanger plotted to shrink the black population in this country by convincing blacks to limit their families through any means necessary, including contraception and abortion.
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http://www.boundless.org/2000/features/a0000230.html

http://www.family.org/resources/itempg.cfm?itemid=2431

http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/abstinence/parents/a0036918.cfm

Here, Planned Parenthood is paying for free condoms. Kind of throws a kink in using them in this topic:

http://www.family.org/pregnancy/articles/a0030297.cfm
 
Free said:
Here, Planned Parenthood is paying for free condoms. Kind of throws a kink in using them in this topic:
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How so? Planned Parenthood is all about limiting life in any way possible... contraception, abortion... especially from its beginning.
 
Oops. My bad. I misunderstood what lovely was saying about Planned Parenthood. For whatever reason I thought lovely was supportive of them. Actually, I don't know what I exactly had in mind when I wrote that sentence. :oops: I'm a little tired.

However, I still fail to see why Planned Parenthood was brought into the discussion. If lovely is trying to imply something between those who use contraception and Planned Parenthood, then that is an error.
 
Free,

There is a link between planned parenthood and contraception. PP are the ones who promoted such things among women in the beginning, and supported the research to develop them. If you are a woman, and you go to get a check up, it will be promoted. The pill, and it's cousins, are especially promoted...and it is also an abortifacient. Many are uneducated to this fact. So, we may feel, now, that contraception was our own private choice and idea, but it's roots are in PP, and it's predecessor, founded by Margaret Sanger. A false teaching that has assimilated Christians quietly.

Blessings
 
So what does 'being fruitful and multiplying' mean under the NEW COVENANT.

Bearing in mind that the FIRST commandment that God gave to man was "Be fruitful and multiplying" and the LAST commandment that God gave to man was "Preach the gospel to every creature".

Anyone see a connection here? What happens when one preaches the gospel? More souls are saved and WE MULTIPLY. What happens when one walks in the spirit - we are fruitful and we multiply.

Doesn't anyone see the connection here?
 
Are you implying that the command is completely divorced from its Old Testament meaning? Or that the command is expanded? (i.e., are the meanings exclusive, or can they coexist at the same time?)
 
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